Why didn't you call the cops if you were abused?

[Anonymous]

I think people here are trying to change the definition of abuse. It is already illegal for adults to abuse children. So if anything happened to you, why didn't you call the cops? Even after you got out if you didn't have a phone?

I think people on fornits want to make parents telling their kid to go to their room abuse. The kid will claim the parent is using isolation torture on them or something absurd. If you were abused then go call the police and have the people arrested. If you weren't then shut up because nobody wants to hear your bitching.

[Anonymous]

I'm sure they'd rather listen to you instead, whiner!! LOLOLOLOL!!!!

Anyone who has ever tried to convince the cops that genuine abuse has occurred, when the deck is totally stacked against them, knows how difficult that can be. Most of these programs have the local law enforcement in their back pocket.

Ever hear of TRAUMA??!! What a concept!

 :fuckoff:

[psy]

Ya.  This is sort of like going onto a rape survivors group and saying "if you were raped, why didn't you go to the cops!"

[Anonymous]

actually, my b-friend went to the cops after bravely escaping CEDU. They ignored her pleas, and sent her back, where upon she was totrured to death. She also called the cops on her abusive parents. They ignored those please as well.

I can't explain it any better than you. Why would they do that?

I told a doctor that I was being abused. Nothing happened. I ended up going back to my program. I can't explain that any better than you. How did the system fail us so terribly?

[Anonymous]

http://www.nospank.net/ashcroft.htm

That links to a correspondence between Congressman George Miller and Attorney General John Ashcroft about alleged human rights violations of children in WWASPS facilities.

That correspondence came after 100s of families went to G Miller for help after receiving no assistance from the local police depts. FBI, and state officials who are supposed to enforce the law.

In this correspondence J.A. refuses to launch an investigation into WWASP because supposedly, private residential orgs. are not bound by laws. Obviously, this is not true, and J.A. and co. are corrupted by the huge donations the leaders of these orgs. give them.

So, in short, the authorities have been called on these abductors, imprisoners, and torturers, but they simply refuse to enforce the law, from the highest ranking official, to the lowest beat cop....And when there are attempts to enforce the law on behalf of minors in R.H.s, almost inevitably, the decent official deals with payback, or his attempt is squashed by a higher up.

[Anonymous]

Now that we have a new AG, maybe it's time to make a redoubled effort to have Holder put the fucking smack down.

[FemanonFatal2.0]

Actually I did, and I made 2 appointments with the district attorney and I was told that they had no jurisdiction as well I didnt have all the full names or addresses of the Americans who ran the program in Mexico among many other facts I didn't have but when I came back with more information and evidence I was simply told they cant extradite someone from Mexico to press charges. The most they could do is take a report. This report however never even made it into the database because I tried to contact the police station and court to get a copy of that report and they didn't have it on file.

Cops don't take a lot of things seriously unless its something they can ticket you for.

I had even less success with pressing charges against my ex boyfriend for domestic violence, it seems all they want to do is drag him off to jail for a few days and then cut him a deal. I was in the hospital for 2 days, I have $10,000 in hospital bills and they let him take a plea, knocking off 2 counts of battery of spouse and injury of spouse to plead guilty to breaking the restraining order.

Basically, your only option after the incident has passed and you have returned home from the school is to get yourself a good lawyer and sue the shit out of those assholes.

[psy]

Basically, your only option after the incident has passed and you have returned home from the school is to get yourself a good lawyer and sue the shit out of those assholes.

And good luck if you're living with program parents who are still pro-program (and why risk getting sent back by trying to convince them otherwise).  Besides...  They never believed you in program, why should they after?  And if you're on your own struggling to survive, good luck finding an attoney who will prosecute a big program pro-bono (there is only one I know of who might, and he only practices in one state that I know of).  And by the time you either convince your parents or start earning enough money to sue, the statute of limitations has long sine expired.  Suing programs is not easy.  The best you can do is speak out in the hope other parents won't make the same mistake and the program will go under.

[firstresponder]

first while in the program you have NO way of getting a hold of a phone.
second after you get out you run into jurisdiction problems unless you live in the county that it happened in.

[BuzzKill]

Well of course people report the abuse. These programs are diabolically clever in how and where they set up shop. They pick remote and economically depressed areas where they can gain great influence in the local economy. This has the effect of stieffeling any serious investigation into the allegations. Investigation is left up to the local yokels -and the local yokels are in the back pockets of the program operators.

For example, following is an excerpt from a response to a request for a death investigation:

I’m afraid there is very little the Department of Justice can do to assist you.  By law, the attorney general may not advise or represent private citizens.  Similarly, the Department of Justice may offer criminal investigation assistance only to specific law enforcement agencies and then only at the request of those agencies.  The department may not initiate a criminal investigation at the request of a private citizen.

Investigation and prosecution originate with local authorities.  If you believe a crime has been committed, please contact the appropriate local law enforcement agency or county attorney.  If you wish to take some sort of civil action, please contact a private attorney.

Finally, please know that under current Montana law, youth treatment programs like the one you mention are not regulated or registered by the state.  State departments - like the Department of Public Health and Human Services or Office of Public Instruction, for example - have no authority over these facilities.

As for the local authorities, they actually work part time for the program in question. View the following.

http://www.montanapbs.org/WhosWatchingTheKids/

So, good luck getting anyone to seriously investigate the abuse and neglect that so commonly occurs in these programs. They kill kids and the local yokels do al they can to cloud and fog up the investigation. In one notorious case the local cornier actually claimed a boy was [in effect] beat to death by a spider.

http://www.closethayerlearningcenter.co ... oreyes.asp

Personal note to opening post: If your the TB mom who recently wrote me - write again and we'll dialog a bit - but I warn you, I know the game and I am not gonna be worried about your feelings.

[Anonymous]

Interesting question: Re: Why didn't you call the cops if you were abused?

There are several implicit assumptions in that question.  First, the assumption that the police can and will take action.  Second, the victim will be believed.  Third, the victim believes that the local authorities can assist the victim in finding refuge from the abuser.  Forth, the victim has access to local authorities.  Fifth, the victim is able to articulate what is going on [there is a shame factor at work in these situations.].    Really, this is a shockingly naive question.  Clearly, the poster of this question has never been in an abusive situation, nor has the poster compassionately worked with adolescents in or from abusive homes or placements.

And, sorry if this discredits my post ....   but i'd like to say to the person who posted this question  "Fuck off. You are right-wing nut with little imagination.  You have no compassion or empathy for those that have gone through hell to reach adulthood.  One of the great things about being an adult, I do not have to submit to the whims of small-minded pathetic creatures like you.  Please go get some life experience outside of your white picket fence facade, asshole."

[iamartsy]

First off who would have listened? No one, that is who. I tried. Believe me I tried while I was a in the g/d program. Secondly, I worked in this area and it is equally as bad as being incarcerated. There you have it. It is a no win situation.

[Anonymous]

There are several implicit assumptions in that question.    

Got to hate assumptions, right?

Clearly, the poster of this question has never been in an abusive situation,

Assumption #1

nor has the poster compassionately worked with adolescents in or from abusive homes or placements.

Assumption #2

You are right-wing nut with little imagination.  

Assumption #3

You have no compassion or empathy for those that have gone through hell to reach adulthood.  

Assumption #4


You are pretty good at that assumption thing.  :rofl:

[Ursus]

LOLS... If this is the OP, what kind of a response did you expect, Guest? Hey, the mindset of what it takes to write this kind of material is just aching for an impassioned response, eh?

I think people here are trying to change the definition of abuse. It is already illegal for adults to abuse children. So if anything happened to you, why didn't you call the cops? Even after you got out if you didn't have a phone?

I think people on fornits want to make parents telling their kid to go to their room abuse. The kid will claim the parent is using isolation torture on them or something absurd. If you were abused then go call the police and have the people arrested. If you weren't then shut up because nobody wants to hear your bitching.

[Anonymous]

The quality of trolls on this site is definitely increasing. 9/10!