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Re: Horse Gone, Closing Barn Door
« Reply #45 on: January 14, 2009, 04:04:42 PM »
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Which point, retard?  The point about AARC being like Wal-Mart?  Or the point about you being sorry for me being hurt even though I wasn't hurt because I made up the accusatons?  Or the rambling, incoherent babble about groups being perceived by whomever was going to perceive them?  If the accusations about AARC are baseless, then what group is going to be reflected on badly, you stupid fuck?  You can't disprove a single thing I've said about AARC, and in the last two years, not a single one of you sacks of puss have been able to disprove anything I said.  You still haven't explained which you lied about.  Your knowledge that I made up the claims about AARC, or the fact that I was hurt by AARC and you're sorry.  In addition to dishonest and obsequious, you're inept.  You didn't know what your own point was, you fucking gibbon.
I will take it you didn’t take the time to reread our past dialog based on your insistent post, but I wont respond with personal attacks.
2 things I would suggest at this point.  Try to come to some closure on your accusations against this place with the authorities.  If they still perceive you as a “nut case” then either drop it (which seems unlikely) or try a different approach.  You have been working it for 2 years (I think you mentioned).  If anyone was working as a doctor without a license I think they would have uncovered it by now. So we can safely conclude you were wrong on that one.  Based on your excitement when proven wrong or disagreed with I can see how authorities may not want to deal with you directly.  Maybe have a loved one speak on your behalf and try to pursue it again.
Secondly, I would try to calm down when making your point.  You will tend to close more doors than you open and it may account for your failure to get anyone to listen to you at the local level over the past couple of years.
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Re: Horse Gone, Closing Barn Door
« Reply #46 on: January 14, 2009, 04:24:44 PM »
Why are you still attempting to dispense advice when you can't formulate a coherent statement, and you have betrayed total ignorance of the subject matter?  You think they would have uncovered it by now, so you can make a safe conclusion that I was wrong?  You're so fucking over your head trying to form a sentence you can't tell when you've contradicted yourself?  You don't know whether or not they would have uncovered it by now, dipshit, so you can't safely conclude that I was wrong.  Tell me again how AARC is like Wal-Mart right before you bestow your wisdom.  The Minister of Justice is not a local authority, piss stain.   If there is no malpractice at AARC, and I made it up, what would be the point in changing tactics and pursuing it again?  Take a lap around the ring you fucking abortion, you're the undefeated champion of imbeciles.
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"AARC will go on serving youth and families as long as it will be needed, if it keeps open to God for inspiration" Dr. F. Dean Vause Executive Director


MR. NELSON: Mr. Speaker, AADAC has been involved with
assistance in developing the program of the Alberta Adolescent
Recovery Centre since its inception originally as Kids of the
Canadian West."
Alberta Hansard, March 24, 1992

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Re: Horse Gone, Closing Barn Door
« Reply #47 on: January 14, 2009, 04:50:33 PM »
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Tell me again how AARC is like Wal-Mart right before you bestow your wisdom
They both have a greeter that makes you feel all warm and fuzzy.

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Why are you still attempting to dispense advice when you can't formulate a coherent statement, and you have betrayed total ignorance of the subject matter?  You think they would have uncovered it by now, so you can make a safe conclusion that I was wrong?  You're so fucking over your head trying to form a sentence you can't tell when you've contradicted yourself?  You don't know whether or not they would have uncovered it by now, dipshit, so you can't safely conclude that I was wrong.  Tell me again how AARC is like Wal-Mart right before you bestow your wisdom.  The Minister of Justice is not a local authority, piss stain.   If there is no malpractice at AARC, and I made it up, what would be the point in changing tactics and pursuing it again?  Take a lap around the ring you fucking abortion, you're the undefeated champion of imbeciles.
So it seems you may still have an untapped option open to you.  If you haven’t called the local authorities (as you mentioned) I would suggest calling them this evening and have a talk with them or a friend with better communication skills and tolerance towards others with differing opinions.  They will look into it and if in fact there is a person posing as a doctor working there he/she would be easily exposed.  They will be able to pull up the persons license up by calling the medical association if the person cannot produce their license.  It is fairly cut and dry and would be resolved within a day or two.  Since this seems to be the last option open to you I would strongly suggest thinking it through and maybe getting help with your approach.
Good luck Ajax.  I mean that.  Try to stay cool.
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Re: Horse Gone, Closing Barn Door
« Reply #48 on: January 14, 2009, 05:05:26 PM »
Tell me again how AARC is like Wal-mart.  You haven't offered any opinion, simpleton.  First you said that you had already safely concluded that I was incorrect in my statement about malpractice at AARC, then you offered advice on how to determine if in fact there was malpractice at AARC.  This after you said that you were sorry that I was hurt, which would mean that there was in fact malpractice going on at AARC.  So, fuckwad, you've said that I made it up, then said that I hadn't made it up, and then suggested how to have my claim investigated after stating that it was both made up and that you were sorry because it was true.  The word that best describes you, short-eyes, is inadequate.
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"AARC will go on serving youth and families as long as it will be needed, if it keeps open to God for inspiration" Dr. F. Dean Vause Executive Director


MR. NELSON: Mr. Speaker, AADAC has been involved with
assistance in developing the program of the Alberta Adolescent
Recovery Centre since its inception originally as Kids of the
Canadian West."
Alberta Hansard, March 24, 1992

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Re: Horse Gone, Closing Barn Door
« Reply #49 on: January 14, 2009, 05:29:16 PM »
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Tell me again how AARC is like Wal-mart.
They both have a great marketing department
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Tell me again how AARC is like Wal-mart.  You haven't offered any opinion, simpleton.  First you said that you had already safely concluded that I was incorrect in my statement about malpractice at AARC, then you offered advice on how to determine if in fact there was malpractice at AARC.  This after you said that you were sorry that I was hurt, which would mean that there was in fact malpractice going on at AARC.  So, fuckwad, you've said that I made it up, then said that I hadn't made it up, and then suggested how to have my claim investigated after stating that it was both made up and that you were sorry because it was true.  The word that best describes you, short-eyes, is inadequate.
Opinion is not important here.  Try to stay focused on just the facts.  The important thing is that you feel there is a doctor who is working without a license.  This should be resolved first and as I had stated before you can resolve this fairly quickly.  I cant believe you have been fooling around for 2 years trying to get an answer.  Read the previous post and try to resolve this tonight (suggestion).
If you were hurt by AARC then I feel bad as I had stated (doesn’t necessarily mean there is malpractice), but if you feel there is then I would consult a lawyer.  You could get a rough idea in a day or two from talking with one.  I would try to calm down before you speak to the lawyer, with your energy he may be apt to take AARC's side in all of this.  Take a loved one with you to help to stay focused and relaxed.
Let us know how it goes with the local officials tonight.
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Re: Horse Gone, Closing Barn Door
« Reply #50 on: January 14, 2009, 05:41:38 PM »
Who said that there is a doctor working without a license?  What proof do you have that the person is a doctor, and what proof do you have that they do not have a license?
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"AARC will go on serving youth and families as long as it will be needed, if it keeps open to God for inspiration" Dr. F. Dean Vause Executive Director


MR. NELSON: Mr. Speaker, AADAC has been involved with
assistance in developing the program of the Alberta Adolescent
Recovery Centre since its inception originally as Kids of the
Canadian West."
Alberta Hansard, March 24, 1992

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Re: Horse Gone, Closing Barn Door
« Reply #51 on: January 14, 2009, 05:54:14 PM »
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Who said that there is a doctor working without a license?  What proof do you have that the person is a doctor, and what proof do you have that they do not have a license?
I thought “you” had, but I may have been mistaken.  There have been so many posts today, I appologize.  So since we have established that AARC doesn’t have a licensing issue, in your mind, we can move on.  So this has been a productive disussion so far.  Having unlicensed personnel is a big issue but can be easily resolved.  I am not use to speaking with someone with so much energy, as yourself, so I appologize for my reserve.
At this point I would focus on determining how you stand in regards to malpractice.  Many attorneys will grant a consult within 24 hours and he/she would be able to get you a rough idea on where you stand legally.  Again consider bringing someone along for support.
Goodluck, Ajax
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Re: Horse Gone, Closing Barn Door
« Reply #52 on: January 14, 2009, 10:32:07 PM »
Hope you get bone cancer, you piece of shit.  As for AARC, still no license, still run by a quack straight out of Kids.  Get it, Straight out of Kids?  It's funny because AARC came from Kids, which came from Straight.  Sometimes, you snivelling pile of garbage, I crack myself up.
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"AARC will go on serving youth and families as long as it will be needed, if it keeps open to God for inspiration" Dr. F. Dean Vause Executive Director


MR. NELSON: Mr. Speaker, AADAC has been involved with
assistance in developing the program of the Alberta Adolescent
Recovery Centre since its inception originally as Kids of the
Canadian West."
Alberta Hansard, March 24, 1992

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Re: Horse Gone, Closing Barn Door
« Reply #53 on: January 14, 2009, 10:45:05 PM »
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Hope you get bone cancer, you piece of shit.  As for AARC, still no license, still run by a quack straight out of Kids.  Get it, Straight out of Kids?  It's funny because AARC came from Kids, which came from Straight.  Sometimes, you snivelling pile of garbage, I crack myself up.

Sorry you are pissed off.  I can see why you have trouble getting answers from these people, they probably hang up on you fairly quickly.   But not all was lost, we were able to determine that there are no employees running around unlicensed when there should be.  As far as being an unlicensed facility......  maybe they dont need to be licensed.  What I would do is call around,or better yet have a loved one do it, ministry of education if they have one etc. and see what the deal is.  But my guess is that there is no requirement.  Its good to keep the pressure on because it keeps them on their toes to keep everything in order.  You should also try to get some help on some of those anger issues.  There are many people who cant figure out why they were sent to a program in the first place but your case is fairly obvious.  You are working on the sense of humor, so I have to give you that.
Good luck Ajax
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Re: Horse Gone, Closing Barn Door
« Reply #54 on: January 15, 2009, 05:03:02 AM »
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As far as being an unlicensed facility...... maybe they dont need to be licensed.

This, just one small aspect of the whole problem.

You're right. They don't need to be licensed. If you read about what AARC does, what they claim etc., don't you think a place like that should need to have a license?

As Psy said, AARC is almost identical to Straight, Kids, KHK, etc.

The AARC stays afloat by hovering in the gray area, by manipulating the situation and information provided to suit their needs best in any given situation. They use an aspect of one law or act to avoid accountability to another.

Let's take host homes for example.

Should need a license through the social care facility act. Foster homes need a license. Yet AARC claims to be "outpatient" to avoid doing this. AARC says they are not "residential" that they use a volunteer "host home" situation of generous parents of other clients to house their clients. These kids go from the center to a host home and back to the center. Even though they don't live at the center, it essentially becomes a residential program.

AARC avoids accountability for this by saying the "host home" parents are volunteering their time/homes etc., to house these clients, but they're NOT. It's not voluntary, it's a requirement of the program.

They pretty much have to have it this way to stay operating the way they do.

See if AARC claimed to be a residential program, that's a whole new ball game! The host homes would need a license, a criminal record check, a child welfare check. It would be illegal to hold clients against their will. Child welfare acts would come into play having it  illegal for a drug addict to be in a position of care over a minor.... etc., etc.

But AARC avoids ALL this by saying they are NOT a residential facility, but an outpatient facility.

This same situation can be applied to almost every aspect of the AARC program.

Malpractice?

Well, Although Vause says he's a doctor, parents believe he's an actual doctor until they learn otherwise, he holds a PhD. etc., AARC claims to treat a "disease", treat mental health issues etc., but yet they don't require licensing, accredited staff etc., like a hospital or a clinic would.

AARC escapes this by being a "Temperance" program, basically an AA group. But AA doesn't charge thousands of dollars per year. AARC also escapes this by not billing health care. The programs in the US that did this exact thing WERE licensed and DID charge medicaid etc. It's the same program basically, so why does one need to be licensed and the other not?

AARC being an independent program is not ran via AADAC or Health and Wellness, so no, they are NOT a clinic, they are NOT medical professionals, yet they DO claim to be!!!

I'd call that fraud.

And guest, all your talk about taking this to the police. The clients in AARC come to believe that anything happening to them is for their own good. (Please watch "Over the GW", or at the very least learn something about "thought reform") And even if a client wanted to talk to the police how could they?? And what graduate is going to call the police knowing full well their family is entrenched in AARC and they will be an outcast if they report anything? Or how about the lack of a likely prosecution because the justice system has become so entrenched with AARC over the last 20 years. Just because something has been going on for a long time doesn't make it OK.

Let's say a client tried to tell the police they were held against their will, for example. But maybe there was a court order saying they had to be there, police will do nothing. Or maybe the client is/was under 18 and their parents wanted them in the AARC because the AARC so thoroughly convinced the parent their kid would die if they took the kid out. The parents are desperate when they put their kid in AARC. AARC banks on this.

As for the media, which reporter is going to lose their job trying to pursue this because the corporate giant has been donating hundreds of thousands into this place over the last 20 years? There is also a tendency for people to just keep supporting something just because someone well known is supporting it. Look at Straight, Supported by presidents and princesses.

If THEY support it, it can't be bad, right?

Yet within 20 years it was found to be abusive, fraudulent, and ALL of the very things that AARC does, and even though it was supported by presidents and princesses, it was STILL shut down!

I'm sorry guest, it didn't happen overnight via a meeting with the police with or without an accompanying family member.
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Re: Horse Gone, Closing Barn Door
« Reply #55 on: January 15, 2009, 07:59:20 AM »
Ajax's tormentor knows all that, on some level. It doesn't matter. It doesn't make a difference. He doesn't even live in Canada.

This guy is driven by other demons. It's tragic really.
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Re: Horse Gone, Closing Barn Door
« Reply #56 on: January 15, 2009, 08:25:30 AM »
Thank you “Timesup” for taking the time to explain it,  that was a very clear post.  I can better understand why people are up in arms about some of these places.  My point to Ajax was to try to stay focused on the issues about AARC.  I tended to side with AARC when Ajax started making fun of peoples weight and family members or whether or not they played sports when they were young.  This comes across as some highschool kid who wants to get even with the teacher for getting a bad grade instead of someone with serious concerns.  Its easy to understand why he/she was not taken seriously when speaking with authorities.  Isnt there a way to find out who goes to these places and then contact them to see what their experiences were?  I was thinking that if there were more people you could approach the authorities as a "group" instead of one person.  I have worked the phones before and there is nothing worse than having to speak to someone who is screaming with foul language.  I may tell them I will help just to get them off the phone.  Someone like yourself, with more patience with people, could probably get further thru the system getting answers.
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Re: Horse Gone, Closing Barn Door
« Reply #57 on: January 15, 2009, 12:48:43 PM »
It's reassuring to see that AARC-supporting child-molesters still have to bird-dog this forum.  As always, wishing you a rapidly-spreading malignancy.
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"AARC will go on serving youth and families as long as it will be needed, if it keeps open to God for inspiration" Dr. F. Dean Vause Executive Director


MR. NELSON: Mr. Speaker, AADAC has been involved with
assistance in developing the program of the Alberta Adolescent
Recovery Centre since its inception originally as Kids of the
Canadian West."
Alberta Hansard, March 24, 1992

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Re: Horse Gone, Closing Barn Door
« Reply #58 on: January 15, 2009, 03:45:23 PM »
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Ajax's tormentor knows all that, on some level. It doesn't matter. It doesn't make a difference. He doesn't even live in Canada.

This guy is driven by other demons. It's tragic really.
The tormentor is himself and his demons reside in AARC.  He needs to try to move on somehow.
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Re: Horse Gone, Closing Barn Door
« Reply #59 on: January 15, 2009, 05:15:26 PM »
This slab of garbage isn't tormenting me.  My role in this is pretty much wrapped up.  Everything posted on this forum gets back to AARC, so Fornits still serves to sow a little chaos inside the bunker.  As with Kids, AARC will be undone in the courts, but as with Kids, it won't happen overnight.  There are not words in the language profane enough to accurately convey the overwhelming disgust that I have for the AARColytes and people who support them.  But it's fun to try.
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"AARC will go on serving youth and families as long as it will be needed, if it keeps open to God for inspiration" Dr. F. Dean Vause Executive Director


MR. NELSON: Mr. Speaker, AADAC has been involved with
assistance in developing the program of the Alberta Adolescent
Recovery Centre since its inception originally as Kids of the
Canadian West."
Alberta Hansard, March 24, 1992