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« Reply #75 on: November 14, 2004, 01:33:00 PM »
***Any teen in any Program that doesn't want to be there will say what they will to get back to their friends and former life. Do parents send their child to a program for good behavior and honesty?

While your kid might lie about smoking pot, it is doubtful that they would lie about abuse they are experiencing.
Programs do not model good behavior and honesty. They will say anything (lie) to keep a kid, and their parents money, coming in. When it comes to kids and abuse, best to err on the side of caution. Parents are told to disregard their kids complaints, phone calls and mail are monitored, kids are not allow access to a phone.... which leaves them extremely vulnerable to abuse.

***I agree that all allegations need to be thoroughly checked out because shit happens.

'Shit happens' too often in this industry. Too many deaths, injuries, mental raping, skewing of reality.

***The brainwashing is occurring by coercing, even graduates, into thinking that they've been abused, even when they didn't think so before.

I disagree. The biggest coercion in the idustry is that of the program conditioning a kid (and their parents) to believe that the program's austere, experimental, and/or abusive 'treatment' is normal and beneficial.

And until such time that the methods of any given program are brought into the light for public scrutiny, parents are well advised to steer clear. At a minimum- ask the hard questions, specific questions, and demand unmonitored contact with their child. If they don't, and collude with the program methods, they are equally guilty for the damages their child endures.
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« Reply #76 on: November 14, 2004, 03:06:00 PM »
Buzz you said:
"Referring implies monetary gain; which implies a tainted motive.
This does not apply to my situation or anything I have ever done."

Doesn't or hasn't your child worked for the "other" program.  

And you said:
The law suite has been in the process of negotiations."

How do you advocate negotiating child abuse?
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« Reply #77 on: November 14, 2004, 07:33:00 PM »
Not that its any of your business . . .
My son helped out for a summer and enjoyed his time doing so. Other than my gratitude that he had a chance to take part in something worthwhile and enjoyable - it had nothing to do with me.
More to the point - it has nothing to do with this thread - in which Narvin has made an appearance and suggested he would answer questions. I notice he has disappeared tho. . .

Anyway, whatever I might have to say about the "other" program; it has nothing what-so-ever to do with The Program, and what I might have to say about IT.

As for the legal stuff; Surely you realize, who ever you are, that I have nothing to do with it. No input. My wishes and opinions mean nothing to the legal eagles. Nothing at all. I'm only explaining what little I can, about what little I know. Its not as if I have any say in it; so advocating isn't something I can do; one way or the other. My preference would be to get it filed and get it to the press and shout it from the roof tops - But they don't listen to me.
Can't imagine why. . .

Tell me anon, if you can, why is it when ever I ask a few hard questions; When ever I make a point that seems to hit home; You anons come out of the woodwork and try to make me the issue?

And Why do you think that because allegations are made against other programs; that the allegations against Yours don't matter?

Lots of dogs have fleas. Fleas are always bad; but lots of fleas are worse. Man oh Man - has your dog got fleas!
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« Reply #78 on: November 14, 2004, 08:58:00 PM »
I beleieve all of the testimonials from former WWASP students, because my own child told me of similar horrors. These programs attract pediophiles, sadists and other perverts because these children have no outlet to the world. Parents and others are gullible enough to believe that their complaints of abuse are nothing more than lies and manipulations.  That's exactly what I was told when I faced a staff member and told him that my daughter had complained of horrendous abuse. He looked past me and into space and said,"she's lying, she's being manipulative." I knew then that this is what they all are programed to say.  

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« Reply #79 on: November 14, 2004, 09:39:00 PM »
Boy from TB
I just found this sight and it flooded me with emotions and memories (not all bad). That's the problem...Both sides of this argument are pretty extreme...one side says it's all bad the other says it's all good... The fact is we, the "students", had to create some sort of enjoyment out of this horrible place and we did...I became very good friends with a lot of these guys and in that sense have some good memories... I also was very introspective during my time there, and that was positive...
What wasn't was the constant screaming, hitting, raw fish(it still had the freaking skin on parts of it) and the education.
I was 3 months away from completing High School when I was sent down there...3 years after I got out I finally ended up just getting my GED and have yet started college...I firmly believe I would be almost through college by now if it wasn't for that damn program. I don't exactly know how I was influenced by the program. Sometimes I think I'm tougher, sometimes I think I might be screwed up a bit...
It can be good to go to bed at night listening to one of your friends screaming as if he's dying on a fairly regular basis...It can't have helped me too much to have been placed in OP 3 times...It couldn't have been too healthy to not understand why I was somewhere I knew nothing about and not be able to ask anyone I knew about it...I don't know if any of you out there remember the Seminar in, I think June or July, of 1999 in which death metal was played and we all just started beating the crap out of each other for a good 15 minutes...that couldn't have been too good for us...

Boy from TB
TB, it was hell,. . .
 i was restrained almost everyday while i was there, for dumb things like talking, swearing, refusing to do something, When we got restrained they would make us scream, twisting are arms behind are back until they touched are head, staff would take ur ankles, place them flat on the marble floor and just bounce on them, they would press your head in to the floor, it was usually 3 or more staff restraning one student . Most of time spent there i was in some small room with a bunch of other kids lying on my face on some dirty ass floor breathing in dirt. watching littl tumbleweeds of pubic hair from everybody just roll on floor. I had to sleep on a dirty used mattress in the narrow hallway, there were bugs everywhere it was gross. and the whole time u could hear other dudes just literally screaming for there mothers while being restrained.
*not enough food, we were so hungry we turned to eating bones, eating watermelon rinds and other fruit rinds, and i know i tried eating egg shells a couple of times, i lost weight there*
Boy from Dundee
I did 11 months at Dundee Ranach Academy in Costa Rica. Ive been restrained plenty of times and left with bruises. Malnutrition is a big thing there too. These programs are out for one thing and that's money. We've had everything from rapes to drug scandals between the staff and students.

Boy SCL
I personally spent over 22+ hours a day in OP or what Spring Creek Lodge (a WWASP promoted program) calls "Special Needs". I would get about 5-12 minutes to walk over to the facility next door and take a shower (if they wanted to allow me to shower that day) all while being watched by one or more staff. Its a pretty degrading experience to strip down naked and shower in front of grown men on a daily basis. I wasnt a criminal, just a teen!

Student SCL
The hobbit is what Spring Creek Lodge calls "observation" which is really a small walk in closet sized room. The rooms have urine stains all over the ground and smell like someone put rubbing alcohol under your nose when you first walk in. When I was at SCL kids would spend over one month straight in "observation" leaving only for bathroom breaks and a shower, and when you showered (if they let you that day) at least one or more staff would sit there and watch you. Bathroom breaks were sometimes used as a reward for good behavior and kids would have to wait long after the first urge "to go". When I was there the "observation" kids would use a portta potty that was never emptied in time so kids would have to squat over the seat. Spring Creek Lodge (WWASP) acts like "observation" is for suicidal, or out of control teens, thats not the case. Most of the staff at SCL didn't seem to have a whole lot of patients, so if a kid got annoying or the staff didn't feel like dealing with a student, that student would be sent to "observation" for days at a time. It might not sound so bad, but imagine being 14 or 15 and being placed in these observation rooms, this cannot be healthy for a teens emotional well being. Although this was over 3 years ago that I personally witnessed this, I still hear similar stories from students just leaving. And for an organization that treats students so inhumane, I could careless when it happened, because it happened.

Boy from TB
when i was there i was in need of serious medical attention but i was called a "faker", typical. and when it got to the point where i was violently ill (yah "fakers" really roll around on the ground moaning in violent pain defecating and regergatating on themselves, would one of you self help teen help jackasses hand me my grammy please?) but really all the staff that was on duty could do was laugh and point while i begged to be taken to the hospital. that is just one example of unneeded shit that wasnt on their ciriculum that happened to me, not to mention the everyday things that were part of the program that got to you, breaking you down spiritually, mentally, and emotionally. and what about the unsanitary conditions, the unnecessary use of restraining, the cruel and unusual discipline tactis(whos the sick fuck who thinks this stuff up??), the screams and yells heard through out the "compound" daily but you could never find out what they were because "students" werent aloud to communicate with each other ever(summer of 97' kids know what im talking about).

Boy from TB

There was no talking; we were not allowed to speak during the daily
schedule. We lined up in our units, and the guards began to count us. The
totals were shouted into the radios to the guard who was working sickbed,
and he tallied the count. The guard working with my unit motioned for us to
head to the shower area.

Breakfast was boiled cabbage and fish. The food itself didn't depress me any
longer. I was used to it. I just wished that there had been more. There was
never enough, and I was always hungry.

There would be a few moments, maybe a minute,
when we could have a hushed conversation of sentence fragments before the
case manager came into the room.
When the unit filled up the room, we all sat around against the walls. The
guard sat outside the door, writing up his shift change report. The young
man next to me asked, through motions and whispers, if I had heard
Litho being restrained last night.
I nodded to let him know that I had heard the restraint. Another guy joined
in the conversation of grunts and gestures saying that he had heard Litho's
nose had been broken, and he was taken to the doctor in Kingston this
morning. I hadn't heard that.
The conversation ended abruptly when the guard stood up to come into the
room. He wanted to know who was talking. We were silent, waiting for him to
leave. His eyes scanned the room, moving from face to face, searching for a
hint of guilt. All of us suddenly became very interested with things on the
floor, or the back of our hands - avoiding all eye contact.

If I was careful, I could sneak a chapter from The Grapes of Wrath, but if I
were caught I would be placed in Staff Watch and on my face for a few days.
Staff Watch was the disciplinary unit of the facility. The average stay was
about one or two weeks. Inmates in Staff Watch spent the day lying on their
faces, not allowed to move. If someone were to move repeatedly without
permission, even to look up, he would be restrained.
His arms would be twisted behind his back, and his ankles ground into the
linoleum floor. This was not a restraint by definition, but more of a
cowardly beating which left no marks or bruises.

It was lunchtime. We went to the cafeteria and grabbed our plates. The guard
put the lunch audiotape on, and we sat down to eat. Lunch was a bun and
cheese. We had some powdered milk as well. The bun and cheese was my
favorite meal. I slowly nibbled on my bun, savoring every last bit of
flavor.

The sewage pipe that ran out of the facility was broken, and sewage leaked
out of the pump and under the clothesline. If a strong wind came, my clothes
would fall into the sewage. It was a risky situation.

When we were finished with our laundry, we headed back up to the classroom
for another period of school. I was able to pull off a few more pages from
the Grapes of Wrath, but the guard was looking at me suspiciously, so I put
the novel away and stared at my algebra book.
Screams broke out from Staff Watch. Someone was being restrained. Other
than one of the new guys, none of us looked up from our book. This was a
normal thing.
I stared at the pages in my book and listened to the screams. He was begging
for them to stop. I could hear them laughing. I wanted to cry, but I knew
there would be trouble if I did. I reminded myself that I was a
machine and that I was not really there. I cleared my face of any
emotion and waited for dinner.

Dinner was pork and pork, was dangerous. The day after a pork meal always
left me feeling as if I had swallowed a cup full of nails and glass. There
was never any meat in the pork, only fat and bone, and I could see the hairs
on the hide sticking up.
I ate all of it, and if I could have had more, I would have. I didn't care
about tomorrow's pain; I was hungry now.
I listened to the dinner audiotape
- A Guide for Building Healthy Workplace Relationships - and memorized a few
key points for the quiz tonight. ?It is always fashionable to wear a smile
on one's face.? I could already feel the pork in my stomach begin to cause
problems.

The evening tape was always the longest and hardest to listen to. It went on
forever, pounding its lessons into my head. I was tired, and I just wanted
to go to sleep.
When the tape was through, we wrote what we learned from each tape and
turned the paper into the guard, who would give it to the case manager
tomorrow morning. She would review my (copy/paste) and mark down in her
book: "Student is making significant progress."
We lined up back in the courtyard for evening headcount. The guards counted
us and yelled the totals into the radio to the guard working sickbed. We
went back upstairs to our rooms and into our beds. Someone in Staff Watch
began to scream. I held back the tears and reminded myself that I had become
a machine and I was not really there.
I hated to go to sleep because I always woke up again in the
morning.
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« Reply #80 on: November 15, 2004, 09:35:00 AM »
The people who hear this simply refuse to accept it could be real.

Nevermind they all tell the same "lie", and thats the first indication its NOT one. Nevermind every program has the same kind of accuastions. Nevermind that its been unchanged for YEARS.

Nevermind the ones that have closed, nevermind the successful litigations, nevermind the september closings in mexico, nevermind the Czech and Costarican closings, nevermind compassion, nevermind finding out the truth, nevermind the truth at all.

They're following their happy little lie, leading them where they have no faults, can take no blame, and do no wrong. They're marching on the road to hell, led by this stupid Industry of frauds, scammers, sadists, and sexual predators, blinded by the "good intentions" that are just meaningless spins on abuse, and not looking back, or thinking twice.

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DannyB on the internet:I CALLED A LAWYER TODAY TO SEE IF I COULD SUE YOUR ASSES FOR DOING THIS BUT THAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE.

CCMGirl on program restraints: "DON\'T TAZ ME BRO!!!!!"

TheWho on program survivors: "From where I sit I see all the anit-program[sic] people doing all the complaining and crying."

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« Reply #81 on: November 15, 2004, 11:05:00 AM »
Buzz and others... This is Narvin again,as I have read some of your posts,I don?t think you guys understand the issue with Amberly and Dundee and what happened with her getting fired...She had become a real problem employee long before the two-ex students were invited to the campus inappropriately...she had shown her whole direction was about control and power and that?s why I and others referred to her as machiavellian far from what you like to represent, she consistently was doing things out of order with none of these issues having to do with the kids or their welfare?. but more to do with her own needs for control... she went on a seminar on our expense and good will the cost was over $1500 in airfare and seminar cost  and then she tried to turn in over $400 per night in lodging and food saying she was entitled seeing this was ?the national average for executive stays overnight on business? we of course informed her not in our business....she hired an assistant that was highly un-necessary without any permission or consent and as a result was told she could no longer be involved with hiring anyone in the future which she ignored with the ex-students who were involved sexually with each other before she "hired " them to come on our campus without permission or consent and in direct insubordination...The 2 young adults then had an altercation that ORJDA the Costa Rican FBI in their complete investigation said didn?t include any rape but simply consensual sex between adults (they where both over 18) then as there was a fight betwixt them over some other girl involved and they got into it physically and the girl hit her head on a piece of metal and caused her to be knocked out...then It was found she need to be hospitalized and I paid it on my own account to make sure she got the help she needed and paid over $15,000 for her care which I was told by Joe would paid back by the parents but I never have been in paid back any way...Again I point out this was all of Amberly knights creation and I as the owner knew nothing of it till after the girl was in the hospital and Amberly had then disappeared and I have personally never seen or spoke to her since....then Imagine the Insult to injury when Amberly 8 months later in her letter to Pani Insinuated I some how created a sistuation where a 18 year old girl was raped on my campus like I some how condoned any of it....This was all the more frustrating in that I knew nothing of it...Amberly is a Liar and has no integrity whats so ever and was so emotionally needy that we were just hoping she would leave after we found out she was building herself up in the eyes of some the scandalous parents at the expense of the program and she continues to do so now in the press and with people who want to be manipulated here. Amberly lies as Carey has pointed out and continues to do so but for some the truth just isn?t an issue when they believe the ends justify the means.
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« Reply #82 on: November 15, 2004, 12:20:00 PM »
Narvin,
I have told you what I think about Amberly. It remains unchanged. I feel confident it is you who be the liar. Frankly, I find it impossible to seriously consider anything you say. You are the owner of Dundee ranch. You ran the show and gave the orders. What happen there, happened at your direction.
Amberly has spoken with me on many an occasion now; explained all these issues of concern; apologized; and tried to right the wrongs. You, on the other hand, have never yet answered a direct question. Never yet done a thing to rectify the fraud perpetrated upon the parents or the abuse and neglect suffered by the kids.
And so, I cast my lot with Amberly.
As for the seminar trip - again dude - get real, will ya. Yes, I expect Amberly attended the damdable seminar at wwasp's expense. I do believe Joe did as well. One of the Costa Ricans complained to my son about the unfairness of it. He had to pay for his trip - but Joe's was paid for by you. He complained about the Mormon favoritism - the Mormons didn't have to pay to attend the seminars - but the Costa Rican staff did. He was pretty irritated about it, according to my son, who thought it amusing and told me all about it.
My boy is a skilled mimic and he did a really amusing depiction of your staff member in a state over the situation. You may one day see my son on the tonight show, doing comedy all about you. I hope so. What wonderful retribution that would be.
You sir, are so full of Bull, it is amusing.
Now, Quite harping on about Amberly and answer the questions.
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« Reply #83 on: November 15, 2004, 01:04:00 PM »
You expect your employees to spend $2000 to take a seminar that you require? No way would I shell out that much dough to take a seminar my boss wanted me to take. I'd consider it training and expect all my expenses to be paid. How is that 'controlling'? Was she told before being hired that she'd be responsible for taking and paying for the seminar, or was it sprung on her at a later date- like when parents are surprised when they haven't heard from their kid in 5 or 6 months?
Do you get a kick back from RR? Are ALL staff required to take, and pay for, seminars?

It appears that you weren't there often enough to know WHAT your managers/staff were doing. Do you even call in when you're away for weeks? Why didn't Joe report what Amberley was doing in your absence?

The city water was turned off for a month, and you didn't know? Amberley hired an assistance and two teens and you didn't know? Yet, you claim that no abuse occurs at the facility? How could you possibly be able to state that as fact? What I did notice, was you deny that you personally had abused any of the kids. "Where is the kid who is saying that I abused them. It (inanimate object?) doesn't exist." That's plausible, given your long absenses and lack of contact. But, I can't say as I've heard any allegations against you personally, but rather of your staff. As a program owner you are ultimately responsibility for your staff's actions and behavior.
Why 'hope she'd leave'? If she was that big a problem, why not fire her? What were you waiting for?

The Amberley issue is of litte consequence for many, just beating a dead horse. I'd be more interested if she was here to speak for herself. Many are more concerned with your lack of oversight and the austere and abusive methods employed at your program. Who created the methods? Do you really see no harm in keeping a kid flat on their face for days/weeks? Or restraint for punishment? Or twisting, grinding limbs?

I'm sure you're also aware that contact with one's parents is considered a right, not a privlege. How do you justify 'parent as a gift'?
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« Reply #84 on: November 15, 2004, 01:05:00 PM »
Narvin, I couldn't care less about Amberly and which of you is lying.  For all I know, you could *both* lie like a pair of matched rugs.

*I* care that you *admit* that you don't think it's a problem that the new kids were getting sick from the contaminated water.

That's a major public health issue, and your indifference to it shows that you definitely shouldn't be trusted caring for anyone's children or running any kind of residential facility for *anyone*.

Given your cavalier, callous indifference about the water-borne illnesses the kids were suffering, I flat don't believe you about the nutritional and caloric adequacy of the food.

I don't know Amberly, I don't want to know Amberly, and I don't much care what she says.  I don't want to know you, either.

What I *do* want is Reform, Oversight, Standards, Enforcement, and Sunshine.  And one of the reforms I want is a federal law that establishes a public register of "problem" institutions and their major owners or operators, domestic or abroad, and makes it, with enabling state legislation, prima facie evidence of child neglect on the part of the parent to enroll their child in a "problem" institution or one run by habitual problem owners or operators---either in their own state, or sending the child out of state, or sending the child overseas.  I want there to be a presumption under the law that it is in the child's best interests to be in the custody of *any* fit adult who has the standing to bring a custody case rather than in a listed "problem" institution.

The US and state governments may not be able to shut down your overseas institutions, but they sure as hell *can* make American parents lose custody for sending their kids there---and without having to prove in court over and over again what's already been proved, and regardless of how many times you change the name over the door, make minor cosmetic changes in the program, and re-open.

I've had experience getting legislation passed before on my other issues of concern, more than once, so I know firsthand that it's possible and how it works.  Which is one reason I'm a lot more legislation-focused than Ginger is---I've pursued fixing problems through that avenue before and found that it worked.

We're going to get Reform, Oversight, Standards, Enforcement, and Sunshine.

So you can start caring about clean water and good nutrition and quality care and open communication between the residents and their families *now*---or you can get out of the business---or you can wait until the legislative hammer falls.

Because it's coming.  And we *can* craft legislation that effectively enforces standards against your institutions outside the states if those institutions accept US citizen minors.

We can, and we will.  The kind of grassroots groundswell that leads to solid legislation is building---I can feel it, because I've been part of it, successfully, multiple times, before on other issues.

Shape up, or get out of the business, because effective legislation, with enforcement, is coming.  Not within the next few months, but it's coming.

And it won't matter how much money you and yours donate to various politicians' reelection campaigns--the legislative hammer's still going to fall, and you're not going to be able to dodge enforcement anymore.

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« Reply #85 on: November 15, 2004, 03:56:00 PM »
Narvin,

Why are you bringing up all these old issues?  Trying to make yourself look good so that you can be associated with the new and improved Dundee, Pillars of Hope?  What are your motives?  Why are you focusing all of your blame on Amberly.  What about your puppet, Joe Atkin?  Or Kenneth Wilson?

You hired Amberly for her degree in education.  You wanted her to get your academic program running and to get the ?school? accredited with her credentials. Funny how all the parents thought it was already accredited before they sent their children to Costa Rica. You then promoted her to director because according to Joe, ?it looked great for the parents?.  She took this position because she was disturbed at the way the kids were being treated and wanted to make things better.  Joe hated this move, and even said ?I should have had that position because I am a man.  You (Amberly) can just get married.  I am the one that needs a career.?  One of her main duties was to keep a relationship with the parents and keep them controlled.  She tried to change things (as a director you should have this authority), but as she continued her demands for the welfare of the children, Narvin and Joe saw her as the enemy and accused her of wanting power and control.  She often worked late into the night and hired someone for communications and intakes.  Joe had an assistant, probably because he needed one.  He was very often off on vacation with Narvin.  

Joe and Narvin had previously hired 2 graduates to work at Dundee.  The other 2 graduates in question were recommended by both Ken Kay and the seminar facilitators.  It is profitable to hire graduates from the program because they know how the program works (less training) and they are also willing to work for $300 to $500 a month.  When the incident happened, Amberly was not on the facility grounds.  Mr. Kenneth Wilson was in charge for the weekend.  He went out drinking with these 18 year olds.  They came back to Dundee drunk.  After an altercation, the male staff member assaulted the female staff member.  He fractured her skull. Amberly came back to the facility a few days later to find that this girl had not received any medical care.  Mr. Wilson, afraid of getting in trouble for taking them out drinking, claimed that she had fallen and hit her head.   She was taken in for emergency brain surgery and according to the doctors, within 30 minutes of losing her life.  After she had recovered enough to be able to speak again, the truth came out and confessions were then heard from the staff and students involved.  Mr. Kenneth Wilson was fired for his participation only to be rehired months later at Carolina Springs Academy (where he worked before Dundee), also owned by Narvin.  Narvin promised to pay all her medical bills.  She still has over $10,000 that he refuses to pay.

As for how Amberly left Dundee Academy, it was her decision.  When she returned to find the events happening at the facility she already had her plane ticket and was waiting for Joe to get back from his vacation in the states to tell him that she was leaving.  She stayed on a few more days to give support to the female graduate and her mother after she got out of surgery.

Narvin, funny how you never mention the name of Kenneth Wilson when you talk about this event.  Probably because he is still a ?trusted? employee!
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« Reply #86 on: November 16, 2004, 12:24:00 AM »
I don?t know what part of the "company paid for Amberly seminar" that some of you didn?t understand...But it wasn?t required and we offered it out of goodwill to add to her training even though she could have attended it at the school with they be given to the kids every 6 weeks...But she then proceeded to take advantage and tried to spend an additional $400 per night on food and entertainment...Buzz I gave ya the facts but you are the one who wants to believe whatever fits your agenda of my son was a victim .... Amberly is what she is and your agenda doesn?t make her Joan of Arc no matter how you try and these things are soon going to be in court for the facts to be aired in the light of day...They will speak for themselves...also to the other Amberly apologist... Amberly brought the kids on the campus and was told to get them off immediately to which she refused insubordinately to Joe then left for a weekend of sightseeing with the 2 questionable students there alone.... if Amberly is the saint you like to try to make her why was she gone after bringing 2 students on in direct insubordination leaving them in such a sistuation?finally I never agreed to pay for the girls total care and for that matter I never agreed to pay for the $15,000 but I did so after the fact after Amberly ran away after creating the sistuation to try to help?But what part of  ?I am not responsiable for the actions of Amberly as she was breaking company and direct administrative orders bringing these two young adults on my campus with out my knowledge and they were adults on their own time and why would I be responsiable for them don?t you understand?...they were there without my permission and consent or even knowledge and if the mother wants more money may I suggest she tries to get it from Amberly who created the sistuation then lied about it to the world... Amberly just creates sistuation s then takes no accountability because she has none of the integrity she likes to claim and the truth is not in her that?s why her story changes every time she tells it? so Good luck
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« Reply #87 on: November 16, 2004, 12:44:00 AM »
Narvin - you're talking to a wall- from what little I've read from Buzzkill, she looks for and thrives in the darkside of life. If anyone thinks outside her view, it's wrong and bad and abusive.  She has no listening skills.  She will argue because it gives her the attention she isn't getting anywhere else in her life. This board and others like it are her lifeline. In fact, from other posts, you're talking to people who aren't open to listening, only to attack and find fault.  

Beyond this  - Narvin, what do you have in place that will be different?  Get beyond the stories of the past.  Today is a new day with new choices to be made.
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« Reply #88 on: November 16, 2004, 01:02:00 AM »
It seems that you try to discredit everyone and anyone who discloses derogatory information regarding WWASP programs. You are trying to dicredit Amberly because she was AN ADMINISTRATOR and AN ADULT - a highly credible sourse unlike the children you always discredit.  Sadly most authorities believe you - but not when it was AN ADMINISTRATOR. So, here you are doing damage control, trying to discredit this person who was instrumental in closing down Dundee Ranch..

You have said nothing about appropriateness of keeping a teenager "on their face" for 18 months. This is something Ken Kay bragged about to a British reporter - who was not impressed.  This was highly abusive and I'd like to know how WWASP defends this untherapeutic and abusive treatment.  Care to explain?   I heard similar techniques are used at other WWASP facilities - including hog-tying.
There have been hundreds of reports of maltreatment - to discount all of them as "lies and manipulation" defies reason.  

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« Reply #89 on: November 16, 2004, 01:13:00 AM »
Cherish Wisdom - What is your personal experience of the WWASPS schools?

Did you read somewhere that a kid was kept on their face for 18 months or that Ken Kay bragged about that?

Hey, why don't you throw in some more figments of your imagination and say the kid had to eat bugs off the floor, or that the kid only took showers every six months, or that the kid atrophied from lack of movement or died from rats eating him/her?  

Are you a science fiction writer?
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