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Re: DAYTOP Did Me Great Harm in the Long Run
« Reply #360 on: March 05, 2010, 06:45:02 PM »
LOL Thanks for clearing that up Ursus.
The first link from my quick search was posted incorrectly. I meant to cite this.
 My  point is that MRIís were in use at that time (unlike the assertion made in the post I was responding to) and that that fact has not a damn thing to do with the fact that Daytopís program mistreated SEKTO in relation to, but not limited to his having asperger's syndrome.
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Re: DAYTOP Did Me Great Harm in the Long Run
« Reply #361 on: March 05, 2010, 07:17:06 PM »
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The larger point that youíve missed here is that at Daytop no considerations toward developing an individual treatment plan for SEKTO were made. Daytopís program by its very nature caused lasting harm to SEKTO in particular, because no considerations were made for his being non neurotypical. They targeted any differences in him as being character flaws and reduced them to damaging labels, while imposing on him a demand to accept these labels and conform.

My point is that MRIís were in use at that time (unlike the assertion made in the post I was responding to) and that that fact has not a damn thing to do with the fact that Daytopís program mistreated SEKTO in relation to, but not limited to his having asperger's syndrome.

Well put, very well put as usual, Inculcated.  You are simply one of the most articulate individuals that I have ever come across.  Thanks for your support.
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Re: DAYTOP Did Me Great Harm in the Long Run
« Reply #362 on: March 05, 2010, 07:30:26 PM »
Quote from: "Inculcated"
I meant to cite this.
An excellent citation and an easily understood description of MRI, I might add. And only two pages, albeit densely printed ones, for those concerned about a humongous download.

Quote from: "Inculcated"
My point is that MRI's were in use at that time (unlike the assertion made in the post I was responding to) and that that fact has not a damn thing to do with the fact that Daytop's program mistreated SEKTO in relation to, but not limited to his having asperger's syndrome.
Far more pertinent might be when Aspergers Syndrome really entered the "common knowledge" database ... of clinicians in a position to make said diagnosis. Which wouldn't have been 'till the mid 1990s, assuming ya were even on the up and up with recent developments in the field. Chances are quite high that many people slipped through the cracks back then, and Sekto was one of them.

I think one of the key take-home points here is that, in all likelihood, given that our understanding of the human psyche is still evolving, there will always be syndromes and the like that will be missed, not understood, or simply not known. And programs utilizing therapeutic community methodologies, with their one-size-fits-all approach, by their very inherent nature, can potentially be quite damaging to some people. In some cases, why they are damaging to some people can now be understood. Or, at least, more understood.

Pertinent to all this is why would a program utilize or continue to utilize a one-size-fits-all approach in the face of so much overwhelming evidence of damage? If their avowed premise is to be believed, namely, that they want to help people, how can so much harm be tolerated? (This obviously a rhetorical question on my part, lol...)
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Re: DAYTOP Did Me Great Harm in the Long Run
« Reply #363 on: March 05, 2010, 08:28:57 PM »
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Youíre off on your time lines again Danny Bennison. Not that it wouldíve helped much for a non neurotypical kid being immersed in Daytopís program fifteen years ago.

Understandably your knowledge of Daytopís intake and treatment practices is also limited.

The larger point that youíve missed here is that at Daytop no considerations toward developing an individual treatment plan for SEKTO were made. Daytopís program by its very nature caused lasting harm to SEKTO in particular, because no considerations were made for his being non neurotypical. They targeted any differences in him as being character flaws and reduced them to damaging labels, while imposing on him a demand to accept these labels and conform.

Listen Inculcated before you run down the road with all your judgments about what I know and don't know, STOP. Deflate your huge ego and relax. I made one comment concerning MRI'S and I still stand by it. I happen to be in a family that just so happens to have (2) neuro-surgeons and 3 Cardiology specialist. So excuse me. I have a cousin that has Aspergers, which I grew up with. So that being said I asked and was told by my brother the Doctor, that MRI's twenty/ thirty years ago are not even close to what they are today. Analysis has progress the most from what he said.
Digital Imagery has come leaps and bounds.
Now your larger point that Daytop never considered a individual treatment plan (no-shit). Who did they do that with.
Did you get one when you were there. Last but not least intake policies ummmm...well if they didn't pick up his condition then we can assume they didn't have a policy. No different then any other center I was in, Oh that's right I was in Daytop.
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Re: DAYTOP Did Me Great Harm in the Long Run
« Reply #364 on: March 05, 2010, 08:34:24 PM »
My care and support is with you for sure SEKTO. I am sorry if this was not shown. I hope to correct that now.
Danny.... :shamrock:
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Re: DAYTOP Did Me Great Harm in the Long Run
« Reply #365 on: March 05, 2010, 08:43:08 PM »
Thank you Danny.  

Please do not antagonize Inculcated (or anybody else for that matter), and stop with the bickering.  

You can refer to the forum rules (posted above) if there is any confusion in your mind as to what the acceptable rules of conduct within this forum are.

Don't use personal attacks on this thread, or in this forum.  

First warning.
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Re: DAYTOP Did Me Great Harm in the Long Run
« Reply #366 on: March 05, 2010, 08:59:00 PM »
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Thank you Danny.  

Please do not antagonize Inculcated (or anybody else for that matter), and stop with the bickering.  

You can refer to the forum rules (posted above) if there is any confusion in your mind as to what the acceptable rules of conduct within this forum are.

Don't use personal attacks on this thread, or in this forum.

First warning.

First warning, stick this in your ass. SEKTO, I'll will retaliate whether it is your personal buddy or not. Get some freaking ethics pal. Never talk to me in that manner again. You have definitely overstepped your boundaries. I will bicker with who ever I want when I want. If this changes then kick me totally off this whole fucking web site.
SEKTO now you have managed to piss me off. Go check your authority.
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Re: DAYTOP Did Me Great Harm in the Long Run
« Reply #367 on: March 05, 2010, 09:01:37 PM »
You can refer to the forum rules (posted above) if there is any confusion in your mind as to what the acceptable rules of conduct within this forum are.

You are now communicating with the moderator.

By posting in this forum you agree to all the above rules and policies.

Second warning.
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Re: DAYTOP Did Me Great Harm in the Long Run
« Reply #368 on: March 05, 2010, 11:06:51 PM »
Danny: if you have a problem with how I run this forum, then I'd advise you to call Antigen right away.

You have been posting redundantly, and I have deleted the redundant post.

You also have been flaming on this thread, and flaming is against the rules you agreed to before posting here.

Frankly, I think that you are here with your own agenda and not to engage in any meaningful exchange of ideas or dialog.

The recent flames demonstrate that.

Danny Bennison has been banned from this message board.
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Re: DAYTOP Did Me Great Harm in the Long Run
« Reply #369 on: March 05, 2010, 11:16:43 PM »
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Danny Bennison has been banned from this message board.

Sorry, Danny, but this is SEKTO's forum, he wrote the rules here, and he has more than enough authority to ban you from the Daytop Village forum.  Talk with him to sort this out.  Maybe you can come to some sort of agreement.
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Re: DAYTOP Did Me Great Harm in the Long Run
« Reply #370 on: March 05, 2010, 11:17:26 PM »
Thank you, psy.  Goodbye, Danny.
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Re: DAYTOP Did Me Great Harm in the Long Run
« Reply #371 on: March 06, 2010, 08:28:39 AM »
Sure, why not?  These threads should contain information that is specific to DAYTOP, however.
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Re: DAYTOP Did Me Great Harm in the Long Run
« Reply #372 on: March 13, 2010, 02:27:44 PM »
Today, just this afternoon, I for no particular reason took a look at the DAYTOP website and saw that it was much different than the one I've seen in the past; this one is newer, updated, made in 2010.  It seems as if DAYTOP is going stronger than ever these days.  

More later.  I'll be looking this one over.

http://www.daytop.org/
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Re: DAYTOP Did Me Great Harm in the Long Run
« Reply #373 on: April 02, 2010, 11:43:21 PM »
Well. Imagine you tried pot a few times or even were a casual smoker, got sent to a program like Daytop, and ended up being programmed into believing you were some sort of uncontrollable drug fiend (they would reframe the actions in your past to constitute grave flaws and signs of "illness"... that's the history revision I'm talking about). Two things would then happen on leaving the cult: you would become an uncontrollable drug fiend the likes of which do not occur naturally and you would see other casual pot smokers (or even those who experimented) as destined to inevitably become uncontrollable drug fiends. In their best interest (especially if you were a parent) you would then coerce or convince the hapless pot smoker that: you were just like him, he is destined to become an uncontrollable drug user, and he needs treatment (you would then refer to the program). Without realizing it, you're performing a missionary action as a deployable agent of the cult.

Ironically, this just repeats the cycle and does far more harm than good, simply resulting in one more debilitated human being.

PS: if you've done this, don't beat yourself up about it. I've done it before I realized what was up. Nobody should be blamed for what they do in ignorance, IMO.


IM GLAD YOUR NOT MY COUNSELOR IN TREATEMT...I GUESS YOU HAVENT DONE MUCH WORK WITH HE PARENTS AND THEV STAKEHOLDERS THAT SENT THEM TO TREATMENT...POOR INOCENT BABIES THAT INNOCENTLY SMOKED POT, DOSRES[ECTED THERE FAMILIES, ROBBED THERE NEIGHBORS HOMES....YOUR A FUCKIN IDIOT...
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Re: DAYTOP Did Me Great Harm in the Long Run
« Reply #374 on: April 03, 2010, 12:21:13 PM »
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IM GLAD YOUR NOT MY COUNSELOR IN TREATEMT...I GUESS YOU HAVENT DONE MUCH WORK WITH HE PARENTS AND THEV STAKEHOLDERS THAT SENT THEM TO TREATMENT...POOR INOCENT BABIES THAT INNOCENTLY SMOKED POT, DOSRES[ECTED THERE FAMILIES, ROBBED THERE NEIGHBORS HOMES....YOUR A FUCKIN IDIOT...

Dude, calm down. By your typos, it looks to me as if you're either very stoned/drunk or just very rageful right at the moment. But this is exactly what the original poster seems to be talking about. Do you honestly believe that smoking pot leads to robbery or that any kid who disrespects their family in some way needs intensive behavior-mod treatment?
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