Just A Thought

[Anonymous]

An aspect of this whole discussion that seems to be absent, is the fact that there is one reason and one reason only why WWASP physically, psychologically, and emotionally brutalizes its victims and its because SOMEONE pays them to do it.  Without that SOMEONE, WWASP would not exist.  And as long as that SOMEONE exists, there will always be WWASP-like creatures who will be more than happy to take their money and do their bidding.  

I am personally of the belief that parents who claim to be WWASP's victims is the biggest lie of all.  The only victims here are their children who have been twice victimized.

Those of you who truly seek justice should spend a bit of time thinking about who the REAL criminals are here.  The only way to ever kill the monster is to cut off its head.

[Anonymous]

i agree here. WWASP is evil and on their way down. But who is waiting to take thier place? PURE, John Bundy (Parent Help) and the many otheres out there like them? The problem begins at home and if the parents was really parents they would handle the problem themselves, not hire some "escort" to come kidnapp their kid and take them to some private warhouse that abuses children!! As long as there are parents out there willing to pay the escorts and the programs there will always be some kind of WWASP out there!!! Personally i think all parents who skirt the law and send their kids off to be abused should loose all parental rights and should be sent to JAIL for facilitating child abuse!!! The the next time some parent wants to send their kids off they will think twice before doing so.

[FaceKhan]

Not to excuse the parents who definitely play a big part in the problem, but groups like WWASP and Straight and CEDU are con artists, their profession is to trick people.

[Anonymous]

Aren't the parents handling it by admitting they need help?  Don't they love their child enough to give them what they all need?  It's completely obvious that those that think parents that do this aren't being good parents haven't lived their life.  Society is not family friendly anymore and you can't just LOVE them out of the bad behavior.  Dr. Phil had a couple on last week that lost their son to a drug overdose, they saw the signs and thought they could love him out of it.  They did everything they had the knowledge to do and their son still died.  In retrospect, they felt that if they had given him over to someone who could help him, they would have.  Hindsight is 20/20.  

These programs are not abusive - WWASP, Provo Canyon, CEDU or many others like them.  What I hear is people trying to outdo the other in who was abused the most, how, when, why..drive your BMW - bitch moan and wail -

These programs are NOT for everyone.  They're not for parents that choose to believe that rules and consequences are not for their child.  That they know more than the staff. They're not for parents that expect perfection and that mistakes aren't made - we're humans right?? They 're not for parents that all of a sudden believe what their kid is telling them about the food, the living conditions, etc.  If they lied to you before they left, would they all of a sudden be honest?  Hell no!  They will tell you anything to get you to bring them home.  It's not for parents that cringe at the thought of their kid having to earn priviledges.  Did grounding work at home?  What else didn't work?

It is for parents who love their child enough to take a stand for their lives.  The whole family.

If you want fluff - find fluff - there's plenty of those to waste your money on or that the state or your insurance  are happy to provide.  The bottom line is the kid has to do the internal work themselves, not you or FOR YOU, the staff, or their peers...for themselves.  Until that happens, you'll have a whiney, powerless dependent the rest of your life. If you want this kind of dependence, don't ever send them to a wwasp or similar program.   You may convince other parents they are wrong to seek help, help they've already done and it didn't work for lack of agreement by their teen, lack of structure, etc., and when you find that a kid has actually run away, become pregnant or died because they felt too guilty to do what they knew they needed to do, I will not want to be in your shoes.  

My kid graduated from a wwasp school several years ago.  I'm not rich, I'm a single mom.  I invested in my kid's life.  Despite what you think I believe, it's NOT the only option.  Do your homework and when a school feels right, go for it. Just be committed 100% to go the distance. Give your kid the opportunity to complete something so powerful that they never thought they could or you thought YOU could.  Life is good.

[Anonymous]

all YOU did lady was send you child away for someone else to raise.  they grow up on their own & when they want to anyway.  so there goes your line of bullshit.  you were ripped off as well, you're just to stupid to realize it.  have a great life

[Anonymous]

One thing i think all parents need to realize is that these programs are claiming to have saved a childs life, when in fact they are really just taking credit for the natural evolution of a child becoming an adult. I have some sympathy for parents who had absolutely no idea about the abuse and controversy behind WWASP, but when you send your child to their programs knowing that they have had 4+ facilities shut down and many reports of abuse, than you are one selfish human being. Those speaking in favor of WWASP will look like the fools 10 years from now, just like all the others who have taken part in similar mind twisting, bank account draining cults. Wake up America, and take responsibility for your child, and the mistakes you made while raising them!

Not only am i convinced WWASP will be out of business in the next 2 years, i believe all major players will be imprisoned for profiting off the abuse and warehousing of Americas youth.

[Anonymous]

I would much rather my loved ones made the wrong choices, than forever had the ability to make choices taken away by the torturers at a gulag program.

As for admitting they need help, that is not enough because they chose the wrong help. The easy way for them. The helpers that promised that all they had to do was do exactly what they were told and everything would be fine. Nothing is ever that fine. Nothing in life is ever so absolute but the progrsmd make it seem like it can be.



All these program parents always talk about having faith in the program or faith in G-d. Well the G-d I hear of gave us something called free will. Free will is nothing if not the ability to choose for ourselves our actions and beliefs. WWASP, CEDU, PCS, and their ilk take that away. They are not therapists, or trained to work with kids, or even licensed to do what they claim to do. They are certainly not doctors who have sworn to do no harm. Read the Hippocratic oath or the oath of Maimonedes and tell me if you think that is what these programs live up to. They cannot even approach such lofty aims since they cannot even succeed in passing such comparably humble standards of behavior as the declaration of human rights or the geneva convention or the convention on torture.

Why do parents turn away from conventional medicine and psychology to these quack programs and gulag torture chambers? Because medical professionals and therapists have a duty to their patient, not his parents. Parents can't send their kid to a psychologist or psychiatrist with the instructions "I want my kid to obey and love me and don't send him home till he is fixed."

Sometimes a parent has to recognize that the time has come to let their kid go their own route and make their own mistakes.

Hindsight is 20/20 but then what about those 100 or so parents who have had their kids die in the custody of these programs including CEDU and WWASP. What about the thousands who never recovered from their ordeal and chose suicide?

 
I still have yet to meet a satisfied wwasp student who has been out of the program for a few years. It seems a lot of these satisfied parents don't even know where their kid lives or otherwise have very little contact with them.

[Anonymous]

Thats exactly right i know severerl survivors of a abusive program near me. The kids left home the day they turned 18 and never looked back. The funny thing is that some will never forgive their parents here is what few survivors of a abusive program has said to there parents:

--------From: "Angela"----------------------------

 My mother and I got into this argument a couple of years ago. We were arguing about my step-thing and how she'd never see him for what he was, the sick son-of-a-bitch who needed severe help. She told me I needed to respect her as my mother, so I told her to be my mother. She stopped being that more than a decade ago when she chose to ship me off. Some parents would say they'd tried everything and everything had failed so they were desparate. Problem is, that certainly wasn't the case with my mom. She let her husband talk her into getting rid of me because it was easy. She was looking for a way out of the responsibility of being a parent. I've told her my feelings to her face. She had to write an autobiography for her college courses she's taking to get "life experience" credit. When she came to the part about MP, she said, "After numerous attempts to run away, we found her with different boyfriends everytime, we decided we had to act drastically. I was forced to send her away. This was a very hard time for me." Yeah, ok. Fiction shouldn't count as college credit unless you're studying to be a novelist. I left the house for three hours, once, and was visitng a friend. They shoved me into the county youth shelter for two weeks and then sent me off.  And I'm sorry, but I don't see what's so hard about giving up your responsibility to some hillbillies to finish raising your child. That's the easy way out.

------From: "Rebekah"-----------------------------  
Me and my mom have that very same argument!

--------From: "Tabitha"---------------------------
 
 My mom says that she had no other choice than to send me to MP, but
she admits that it is a horrible place. I tell her that if she had
been more of a parent she never would have had to send me away. But
that is an argument that never seems to end.

-------From "Shawna"------------------------------

 Be lucky for your Mom. Mine still loves MP. My sister & I told her
about this site, the horrible experiences that some of ya'll have
had & how MP is listed as a cult on many sites & her response
was "Oh, well. Those kids got what was coming to them." She thinks
that b/c I'm an ok person for the most part now that it's all thanks
to MP. I do admit that w/out going there I would probably be in
worse shape then I am now. But that wasn't the "turing point" of my
life by any means. Like most of the ppl on this site, I did what I
had to do to get by & there for a while I actually bought into their
crap. Hell, I remember telling my 70 Grandmother she was going to go
to hell if she wasn't saved!!!
LOL! But thank God I'm relatively normal now (not that I have any
CLUE what normal is)!!
 
~Shawna

[FaceKhan]

Worrying about being normal is like staring down at your feet to make sure you are walking the same as everyone else.

There is no normal life, there's just life.

oops that anon post above the one before this one is mine.  

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[ This Message was edited by: FaceKhan on 2003-08-03 13:10 ]

[Anonymous]

yes, well, i want to hear from the kid you put through wasp.  Thats who i want to hear from. you can belief what you want, what you need to believe, but i want to hear what's said from the person who was there.  and YES, i believe what my son says, i believe him.  I believe him more so than the people who ran the place he was at.  I believe that he was threatened with sexual assault by a staff member, i believe he did not have enough to eat, i saw the evidence myself in his drastic weight loss, i BELIEVE that he was physically abused, I SAW THE BRUISES.

[Anonymous]

These programs don't do it FOR the kid - the kid does it for themselves.  THey change for themselves.  Don't give the credit to the program, they just provide the "tools."  It's up to the kid and/or parents to use them.  If the kid gets those same tools (knowledge) from a counselor or their parents, great!  If they get the tools to destroy their lives on the streets, from school, friends, etc., then it takes a much more drastic step and quite possibily it's out of the parents hands to do it on their own.  Do any of you know a teen that just grew out of it.  Yes, I do, but I know many more that haven't. No one is a fortune teller, but there's something called instinct, and to ignore it could be deadly, in more ways than death.