To Moderator-GET RID OF CAREY

[Carey]

Maybe the same to a simpleton, but check with an attorney they will tell you different.

[Deborah]

Anon wrote:
Amen KarenZ. You have a team behind you, Carey has Deborah (who is not even involved in WWASPS) and maybe one or two others. And Deborah that is not against you, just stating it.

In case you haven't noticed, this board is not limited to discussion about WWASP. Involvement with WWASP is not a condition of participation.  So what is your point? Sounds like another of your pathetic ramblings and attempts to do whatever the hell it is your trying to do. Do you have any clue how ridiculous you sound?

And, it's not your place to come to this board and draw a line and sort out who is on which "side". Your comment that Carey has "Deborah and maybe one or two others" is another of your warped imaginings? I'm not aware of any poll being conducted, and you have no idea what people here are thinking.

Go back and read my comments again, very
s-l-o-w-l-y so it has a chance to penetrate your ignorance. I am not and have never been a part of this fued, but when you chose to bring it here, to a public forum; your anonymous, pathetic and juvenile antics are open to mine and other's comments.

To date, what I have noticed is that Carey has been attacked with numerous unfounded accusations. Your "group" migrated over here and are making comments about her situation that are inaccurate. Her responses seem pretty damn honest, rational, and sincere to me. More than can be said about anyone on the other "side".
She doesn't sound like a crazy person to me. Passionate, driven, maybe, but not crazy. Many of us go through that phase.

Any rational and intellegent parent considering a program for their child should be concerned after reading your "groups" messages. Parents, think about that when contemplating your decision !!

Teen Help facilities are chock full of kids who come from homes run by these sorts of imbeciles.
Imbecile- n., from adjective, weak, weak-minded,  a mentally deficient person; especially : a feebleminded person having a mental age of three to seven years and requiring supervision in the performance of routine daily tasks of self-care
Is that really who you want your child co-mingling with?

Carey has her sons home, dealing with the challenges that are a part of the teen years. I commend her for that. Where are your children? You anon parents willing to share which facilities Sue helped you select when you left WWASP, soes other parents can steer clear?

Deborah

[FaceKhan]

I cannot fault Carey for rightly demanding that those who could help her kids get out of wwasp and stay out of wwasp do so.

If my sons had been tortured at wwasp I would be pretty pissed off too and not just at wwasp but at anyone who could have done something to spare them even one minute of that torment but didn't.

I also understand why some of those people chose not to act at that time. Sometimes it is necesary to wait till the time is right before coming forward. Carey's goal was to help her sons and that is the goal she should have, but many others have the goal of shutting down wwasp and that goal took precedence over just two kids.

They had to choose between the continued suffering of two kids and the potential that many more would suffer if they made their move at the wrong time.

[Carey]

If I were to accept that explanation, then I would be accepting the fact that my kids and my family were a pawn in a game.  Sorry, we aren't and we won't be.  There is not a reason in the world why Amberly could not have made a statement in court.  NOT ONE.  If what she had to say is true, then it would have been true yesterday, today and tommorrow!

What I am coming to realize is that my family has been hurt by Dundee (and all of its staff) and PURE, Inc. not WWASP.  It is becoming evident that my family has been used.  Our pain and our suffering have and are insignificant to that of others.

We have exposed ourselves and our family to try and help others.  But I guess that really does not matter.  Why should anyone stick their neck out for my boys?  I will tell you why, they are not sacrificial lambs.

[anon]

[ This Message was edited by: anon on 2004-01-06 17:53 ]

[turbinekat]

Even Mr. Bock, despite agreeing that his sons should not be sent back to Dundee, claims it helped them.

Carey, this maybe what someone referred to as you saying the twins needed dundee!  This was in the Tim Rogers article.

[Anonymous]

I for one am really sick of Careys complaining.

She outright admitted she would testify for WWASPS, have you no shame? Sure, you say ask a lawyer, but you know what, someone or yourself would have to give them reason to ask you and God knows you are doing that on this forum and suspect other places too. I hope if WWASPS does call you, the other side calls Mike Bock or your doctor. Reality is you are not that important. Your angry with  PURE/WWASPS/Karen/Ryan/Sue/Amberly and whoever else you project it at, is absolutely sick, and I am sure someone would have a expert witness to prove you are very vendictive and other disorders. I heard that WWASPS is actually  laughing at Carey in their seminars. They talk about Carey as an example of a disgruntled non custodial parent and her big trip to make headlines.  Yup, you are famous Carey.

Deborah seems like an intelligent person, the fact that she is not part of WWASPS is not important, freedom here, but she should know as KarenZ stated, Carey burned so many bridges. MANY.She doesn't know when to keep her mouth SHUT. Yes, the truth needs to be told, BUT at the right time, not telling the world what we have or don't have.

I am one of those so-called rich, stupid parents that Carey seems to condemn.  The reason for ANON, easy, why give WWASPS anymore amunition than they are already getting from here, especially from Carey.  

Maybe Mike Bock needs to see this ranting of his exwife. I am sure he could shed some light on this behavior.

[Carey]

Once again, Karen you are only making noise.  News papers do not always tell the whole story, nor are they always totally accurate.  You should know that. Once again you are opening pandora's box.

Maybe before you make implications you should stop and think about whether or not you really know what the consequences of what you imply may lead to.  

You keep entering in to territory in which you really have no first hand knowledge of.  You continually bring in conversations in which you were not privy to.  You were not even around when the Ashely incident went down on Sue's list serv.  You were not a part of Martha's, Amberly's and my converstaions.  You know absolutely nothing about Steve and our trip to Costa Rica. You should only talk or make comments on those things that you have first hand knowledge of.

As far as you talking to my ex, what good could that have done?  None, he thinks Dundee is and was the greatest.  Why do you think he would beleive you?  Why would the court beleive you?  You were not there.  You do not even care if what you say is correct, remember "so what."   It was the court that needed to hear the truth.  They needed to hear it from someone who was there, someone who was not one of those "manipulating teens,", someone like Amberly.  She could have said what was going on.  She could have stated she was the 4th or 5th director in their short exitence.  There is a lot that she could have done to help.  She really has left herself quite open on all of this.  As, I have already said, she was the first person I contacted at Dundee stating that I had JOINT CUSTODY and that I was not in agreement with the boys placement there.

I have not burned any bridges, there were never any bridges to be burned.

If you want to get the straigh up on anything else about MY experience, please just post and I will respond.

[Anonymous]

This thread needs to be read over and over again!

[Anonymous]

To the Anony-Groupies:

Be careful what you wish for. Every one of you has skeletons in your closets, too, not the least of which is the fact that some of you were once on WWASPS payroll and are directly responsible for boosting their enrollment numbers through recruiting other families and children.  How many referrals that resulted in the placement of a child in one of their programs is anybody's guess but one thing that is for certain is these same people are now actively involved in recruiting the parents and children they referred into a WWASPS program for a class-action lawsuit.  

Payback for your sins?  Maybe so but what a price to pay for such unmitigated ignorance and supreme hypocrisy.

[Anonymous]

To ALL:

1) Consider  parents coming  to this  board  and  looking  for information about  whether  or not  to send their  child.

They  see all this  bickering, and  DO NOT  get   their  questions  addressed (ie  see  days  and  days  of  this  going  on) and  look  at  the back and  forth  and  decide they  would not  listen to  anyone  here, to  give  advice. So maybe  they  send  their  child  anyway,  because  they  we  swayed  by the info  , and  did NOT  get  any help here.  

What  is  the  most  important  goal for this  board?  To slam each  other?  To prove  who is  right? Or  to  spare  another  child  and  parent  the  suffering  you  have  already  endured? Think  about  it please

2)Consider, Behind  EVERY parent  here, is  a  child  or  children  who DO NOT deserve  to  have personal information, and negative opinions of their  parent, used  against  that  same parent, in a  battle  with  the  very   programs  you  are  exposing by  sharing you and your  child's  experiences  with others.Or  for that  matter in  a personal  battle between  their  parents.

Haven't the  children  already  been through  enough? Hello,  is  anyone listening.  Enough  already.  

3)Consider please, if these  issue  are  so  critical,  take  them  up in personal  email and  phone  calls. Whatever  you  do,  DO NOT keep discrediting other  or  yourself,(this applies  to everyone  here, including me) and by  doing so, risk further consequences  to their families and  children. Also,  consider, that this  information is  public, and anyone  can see it, and  use  it  however they   choose.  What if  it  was your  family?  your  child? Would  you  want those same things  said  about  you, your family, your  children?  And  to  find  it gets  used  against you  later?

4) Consider,  that  many many  children are  still NOT  home  yet. Many  people  say they  want these  places  shut  down. Then  focus on  helping  others  not  send their  kids, and  help  others  get home, and  SUPPORT  all of those  who have  children at  home  who  need  their  families, and  to heal  ..not all this  grief.

[Carey]

I post on this board to share my own personal experience in a "program."  Not to try and sway people with what I think I might know about something or someone, but with what has happened to my family personally.  No one complained when I posted on my terrible experience with Dundee.  Well, Dundee was not the only ones who have contributed to that terrible experience.  Now I get the drift that if I tell about how others played a part in that negative experience, I am wrong to do so.  

I want to help other parents to know there are others out there who are just as dangerous as those who ran Dundee.  I want others to know that ed consultants, or at least the ones I have had experience with are just as crooked as the individuals who ran Dundee.  I want ALL of the deception that is going on in this unregulated industry to be exposed. I think it is my responsibilty to tell the whole story about how this industry has affected my family, not just selective parts.  How can parents make informed decisions if they do not know everything there is to know about all of the players invovled?

I have posted things I would rather not have had to post about my family, but in order to clarify issues that were being brought up, it was necessary.  Actually, I have been dealing with public issues about pulling my boys from Dundee ever since this crusade began.  

It started in an open court in which the judge said "Costa Rica is a beautiful country what's the problem"  The minute I started this cruade to save my boys I opened my personal family's business to the public right here in my own home town.  I have been fighting this battle pubicly since October.  What, you want me to shut up now?  Why because you are now learning things that you don't want to hear?  Sorry, it just does not work like that.

As I have ALWAYS stated (my objection to Dundee was that they did not want to provide all information they only wanted to provide boiler plate information), parents need all the information in order to make informed decisions about their child.

[Anonymous]

Boring.

[Anonymous]

On 2003-08-04 06:28:00, Carey wrote:

"I post on this board to share my own personal experience in a "program."  Not to try and sway people with what I think I might know about something or someone, but with what has happened to my family personally.  No one complained when I posted on my terrible experience with Dundee.  Well, Dundee was not the only ones who have contributed to that terrible experience.  Now I get the drift that if I tell about how others played a part in that negative experience, I am wrong to do so.  



I want to help other parents to know there are others out there who are just as dangerous as those who ran Dundee.  I want others to know that ed consultants, or at least the ones I have had experience with are just as crooked as the individuals who ran Dundee.  I want ALL of the deception that is going on in this unregulated industry to be exposed. I think it is my responsibilty to tell the whole story about how this industry has affected my family, not just selective parts.  How can parents make informed decisions if they do not know everything there is to know about all of the players invovled?



I have posted things I would rather not have had to post about my family, but in order to clarify issues that were being brought up, it was necessary.  Actually, I have been dealing with public issues about pulling my boys from Dundee ever since this crusade began.  



It started in an open court in which the judge said "Costa Rica is a beautiful country what's the problem"  The minute I started this cruade to save my boys I opened my personal family's business to the public right here in my own home town.  I have been fighting this battle pubicly since October.  What, you want me to shut up now?  Why because you are now learning things that you don't want to hear?  Sorry, it just does not work like that.



As I have ALWAYS stated (my objection to Dundee was that they did not want to provide all information they only wanted to provide boiler plate information), parents need all the information in order to make informed decisions about their child. "

Carey,

Are you not trying to sway people with what you think?  Are you NOT trying to discredit others on this board about something OR someone?

Have YOU not accomplished YOUR objective pertaining to Dundee?

YOU continue to miss the point on this issue.  You are hung up on exposing people who don't have anything to do with wwasps or that don't want YOUR info.  You continue to post private emails or conversations you?ve had with people & YOU shouldn't without their permission.

Regards,

Lee

[turbinekat]

that last post is mine, i even signed it sorry for the anon post.

Lee