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[Anonymous]

Carey,

I personally never once heard you mention help with court or anything of that nature.  Now, you may have sought the assistance of others & yes I may not have been aware of any of what transpired in that transaction.

The people you sought out who had formally been employed by wwasps are without a doubt able to assist with a class action law suit...I do not know for sure who is on it or not?

The point I previously discussed with you personally was exposing ALL of the aces that were in some of our hands.  I expressed the desire as a group NOT to expose all of our legal info at that time.  I believe this was when you were after Dena / Ashley over the rape incident.  As long as neither person comes forward, then there will never be a case.  I was as frustrated as you were with Dena's issues not exposing wwasps or filing a law suit at that time.  Apparently, wwasps either paid the parties off OR Dena & Ashley both decided not to press charges against all parties involved.

YOU seem to still miss the point in my previous post...YOU may have a legitimate beef with Sue Scheff & or P.U.R.E.  Take that up with her personally...........NOT all over this board.

The other point is why are you attacking everyone?  Amberly, Randall, Ryan, Karen, my self & my family, etc...  I received the rich snobby email that you accused us all of.  I took that personally, as did my family.  WE are by any stretch of the imagination wealthy in $, but are abundant in family values, respect & love.

My family's main objective has always been to hold wwasps accountable for what they defrauded my family of.  Eventually, with everyone's assistance wwasps will be held responsible for what they did to my family & at the same time everyone else out there who has been hosed by these money grubbing savages will obtain their honor as well.  It will be a group effort & NOT an I issue.

You assisted in closing Dundee, believe me YOU did NOT do it alone.  ISAC'S, may have contributed, Martha may have helped, allot of players were involved with closing Dundee, NOT JUST YOU.  There wasn't one person responsible for any of the closure of Dundee, it was a group consortium.  All of the people YOU are trashing & accusing of not helping...WRONG, they did.

I'm just asking you personally to take a break from all of this.  If it isn't but one day, go have some fun.  Living & breathing wwasps 24/7 will only be YOUR down fall.  This crap gets to you after awhile; I'm speaking from experience.

WWASPS maybe currently ahead at this point, eventually with everyone's efforts we will prevail.

Regards,

Lee

[turbinekat]

that's me above...I hit say it before I signed on.  Regards, Lee

[FaceKhan]

I would be very surprised if Dundee reopens. For one thing, no wwasp program has ever obtained the necesary licenses and permissions from the local/state/ govts to my knowledge. Since it is illegal to hold a teenager against their will in Costa Rica as well as being illegal to torture them the way they were doing, I doubt any WWASP program will be opened in Costa Rica again.

As for Coronado academy, I cannot say what they are about but they are certainly a lot more open than WWASP ever was. Its a small boarding school with some specialty elements but it seems like its primarily a school that just has a lot of flexibility because it is so small and has so much money to spend per student.

You can call healthy meals, clean sheets, and qualified teachers fluff if you like but that is what any sane parent would expect from any traditional boarding school for normal kids, so why do they expect a more brutal and rigid and unsanitary environment for the kids who have been abused and neglected and kids with psychological disorders like OCD and depression.   :wstupid:

[Carey]

You know Lee, I had pretty much turned away form the discussion of Ryan and Sue until Karen's post this morning accusing me of posting anonymously.

I will not sit back and let her dis me nor will I sit back and let anyone give praise to someone who has played a big part in my families pain.

This is not a game to me. This is my life.  My family has been hurt by a lot of people in this industry.  I intend on making others aware of exactly what has happened. What ya'll are afraid of is my persistance.  

I am sorry if I offended you and Nancy with my comments on "studpid rich parents."  I know all parents don't fall into that catagory.  However, when it comes to parents who place kids in WWASP schools, I think probably most do.  I am sure there are others like myself whose ex have used and are using places like Dundee to keep their kids away from the other parent. My ex has only talked to his boys 3 times since their return home (3 times in 9 months).  He is one of those "stupid rich parents."  He sent them away at about the same time he got his new young girl friend pregnant.  How do you think my boys feel about that.  Pretty hurt inside, I might say.

Sue, she recommend Steve, the consultant.  He stirred it up good.  He was the biggest con of all.  Just like Sue.  He took us for a ride.  A money ride.  She is responsible for her part in that.

And once again, I do not take credit for closing Dundee.  Dundee is closed because Dundee was operating illegally.  All I did was make the authorities aware of their existance there.  

I did pressure Ambelry to come forward when I was trying to get the story on the rape. I was posting her name on every board I could find.  I never dreamed she would have responded.  She did.  I thought she was fired because of the incident.  I thought she was involved in some way.  Do I think Amberly is creditable?  Yes.   Do I see her as a hero? No.  Am I angry with her? Yes.  She did not come forward until she was pressed to come forward.  I imagine when all of this goes to court, Dena will have to come forward to testify.  So may Ashley.  So may Andy.

As far as me not asking you for help in court, you could not help. Your child had not been at Dundee.  I asked of those who I knew the judge would listen to.  Those who had first hand knowledge of Dundee.  Who better to help then those who had quit because of what they witnessed.  

Lee, what I think you all need to understand is that you don't get to decide where the line is drawn.

[Anonymous]

FaceKhan - I AM SURPRISED, I think?? at your post.  You, of all people, damn every program out there - they're a program, right??  So now you seem to be defending them as a better place than Dundee?  Is that because they seem to encourage interaction between male/female troubled teens?  You must get some satisfaction in thinking they are drinking tequila and having sex in the rain forest.  What's up??

[turbinekat]

my comments on "stupid rich parents." I know all parents don't fall into that category. However, I think probably most due.  

This is YOUR assumption.  I can assure you that you are far from the truth, pertaining to us.



Carey,

You continue to us words such as ya'll & you all.  I am writing for me & my family only!!!  I am not representing a group or any one else for that matter.  That is your assumption.

How do you know anything I said in a court of law would not have affected the outcome?  I have wwasps experience from Casa, just NOT Dundee!  Their scam is the same, just different locations!

I have done quit a bit of research pertaining to wwasps & yes some of it comes from someone YOU personally do not care for.  I can't help that issue.  I do however; think you have the same agenda as others.  It's just your methods need to be curtailed slightly.  There are ways to find the information you are trying to obtain without an all out war against people.  That is my only concern with YOU!!!

I do know that I do not draw any lines for YOU, but I do draw well when it pertains to my family.  All I am trying to do is to assist YOU & not discredit your efforts.  I am looking at this from the outside in & your perspective is from the inside out.  I guess what I am trying to say is, currently to ME you appear foolish with your endeavors!!!  If however, you changed some of your strategy to reach out against wwasps & NOT to verbally assault others.  Then to ME, your antics would be worth while, to everyone.  The saying; "you can catch more fly?s with honey" comes to mind.

I understand your situation, I've been there & done that...I even purchased the t-shirt.  Ex's, wwasps, etc...  The sooner you resolve your issue with the ex the better.  The best thing that could transpire from that is his help against wwasps, if that's possible?  Just a thought!!!  Believe me, I'm going on 13 years now & still have to bite my tongue pertaining to an ex.

Carey, at this point I personally do not care what YOU do.  I just thought I?d give you MY opinion.  Take it or leave it & best wishes with your quest!!!

Regards,

Lee

[anon]

[Anonymous]

Amen KarenZ.  You have a team behind you, Carey has Deborah (who is not even involved in WWASPS) and maybe one or two others.  And Deborah that is not against you, just stating it.

[Carey]

Karen,

You talk about things you know nothing about.  It was not until our last court date that the decision was made that the boys would not be returned to Dundee.  That was in March.  

It was in June that Mike decided to try and sue me to have me pay for part of the tuition that Dundee cost him.  Karen you have big problems with getting clear facts on the things you bring up.

Steve and his "escorts" went to see the volcano on me.  Steve could have left and went back to the states on Tuesday after we picked up the boys.  He told me that he could not get a flight out until Friday and that I would have to pay him for the full week.  That was bull.  I checked with the airport and the time in which we were there was a slow time.  There were plenty of open flights available.  Steve stayed and visted another school while in Costa Rica at my expense.  He lied.  I hope and pray Steve, Sue and I get called to testify in this case.  I have the bills, the cancelled reciepts and the proof that Steve took me for a ride. I have the emails from Sue and her pushing me to take Steve with me.  I have it all!!!

Karen you better learn to be right about what you say.  Your "so what" is gonna cost a lot of people some problems.  

Maybe even the reporter who went with us will be called to testify on Steve.  

"Why would I think I needed help telling the court why I pulled my boys from Dundee the way I did?"  Karen do you suppose it might be hard for me to prove the abuse that was going on there. My ex is saying how great the place is.  The judge is getting letters from lots of Dundee parents who just love the program. Would you suppose that maybe if the judge heard it from the ex directors it might make a difference?  Duh, do you get it now?

The boys are drug screened now, judges orders.  And you know what happened Karen the judge was told one of them tested positive. This was in May.  The judge wanted to send both of  them back to Dundee.  You know what, she couldn't.  The place was shut down.  The boy who had a false positive denied smoking marijuana.  So she ordered a hair test.  You know what it came back negative.  He had told the truth.  So for your information, they have had to worry about being sent back there ever since they left.  How do you think they have been doing after all they have been through?  Or do you even care? Do you think I should not be pissed off because Amberly or others could have helped them to not have to worry about that simply by stating the truth.

You know nothing about what has happened.  Keep your mouth shut until you do!  Nobody knows the extent of what my boys and I have been through you idiot.
Why do you continue to be so stupid?  

One more thing, Karen you said, "I'm not clear on some of this."  Are you clear on ANYTHING?


[ This Message was edited by: Carey on 2003-08-02 19:47 ]

[Anonymous]

carey, you are so out of line. guess that is why this thread is named what it is. do you really think anyone would call you to testify? there would be a question of mental stability. keep it going, you are the one continueing to look foolish, not karen.

[Carey]

Who knows Anon, WWASP may call me to testify.  Isn't that really your biggest fear?

[Anonymous]

carey, you just proved you would testify for the enemy. that speaks volumes! you are definitely scary. testifying for people that have abused children and frauded parents, why? for your own self serving attitude, to prove you are important. yes, you are to them. not to us though.

[Anonymous]

Don't put words in my mouth.  I did not say I would testify FOR them.  I said they may call me to testify.  That is what you fear!

[Anonymous]

same difference dear.

[Carey]

The previous post was mine.