To Moderator-GET RID OF CAREY

[Anonymous]

sorry people, i know this is  a free board but this person, Carey, is nothing but a jealous mother of twins that wasn't even part of WWASPs. she is angry at her ex husband, angry at almost all of us, and just an outragious source of negative energy that is being wasted on this board. Oh, she saved her twins from the programs, o-kay, we respect that, and she wasn't dumb enough to fall for wwasps, great, but i wonder how her ex got custody of them? theres a thought.

i know other boards can eliminate people and i really think you should consider this one, she has done nothing but condemn the sufferings of others. she attacks genuine, caring people that really have suffered. what gives her the right?

just because she isn't front page news anymore, she seems to be attacking anyone that is.

let her go.  

if you can't, i recommend no one respond to her ignorance, as one anon said.

she needs some serious help.

[Carey]

Sue,

I plan on telling the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help me God.  I am sure that does scare you.  It should.  You have played a part in the wrong doings that have occured.

What you need to learn is that you can not shut people up.  You need to learn that if you go about your business doing what is right in life then you won't have to fear the truth.

[scottT]

i am shocked, SHOCKED to discover that WWASPies are now resorting to covert email attacks on their opponents.   Is there no limit to their shame? Oh wait,  I already the answer to that one...

[Anonymous]

paranoid now?  i am not sue, but we certianly can see you have mental issues about that person, and others.

paranioa, don't know the spelling, can be a form of mental illness.  poor soul.

[Carey]

I am not paranoid.  Why should I be?  If you are not Sue, then why not say who you are?  

Asking to remove someone from a board for speaking their piece was done by you in the past,Sue.  

Are you paranoid?

[Anonymous]

SCOTT IS RIGHT - FOR THE RECORD, MANY OF US DONT CONSIDER CAREY AS PART OF OUR TEAM. SHE IS ON HER OWN IN HER OWN WORLD. SHE LOST HER CREDIBILITY WITH US A LONG TIME AGO. AS SHE STATED, SHE DIDNT FALL FOR WWASPS AS US STUPID PEOPLE DID.

PARANOID, YUP, THAT IS A GOOD WORD FOR HER. GUESS SHE DOESNT REALIZE THAT MANY OF US ARE NOT ON HER SIDE.

I VOTE ELIMINATION, NOT THAT IT COUNTS.

[Carey]

Come back when you grow up.  That would mean come back when you can stand up for yourself and state your name. Of course maybe you don't feel like you can state your name because you know that no one would respect your opinion based on who you are.

[Anonymous]

Carey is veyr  entertaining. We need this humor once in a while.  Using anon doesnt mean a thing. But it is a convenient way for soem to justify we are not telling the truth. Heck, it will come out in the end.

I vote not to remove Carey, she is a joke and we all need a laugh once in a while. I do feel bad for her, but maybe she will get some help. We should pray for her to find peace and a good shrink.

[Carey]

Anon,

I know I scare you.  I know that is why you hide behind the Anon postings.  I know that is why you are so outraged by what I say.  I scare you because of my creditabilty.  I scare you because I have no other motives.  I have never had any other motive other than that of protecting my children.

I have fought against a lot of those who claim to be on the side of help.  If I am called to testify in this case, I will tell the TRUTH.  I will tell how and why I did what I did.  It will hurt some of those who say they are PURE.  You may not understand this, but that is why, I will not claim myself to be on the same side as PURE.  Does that mean I am on the same side as WWASP, NO it does not.  However, I will be specific and state that my issues were with Dundee.  I have had very little dealings with WWASP, itself. If I learned anything good from my conversations with the rape victims mother, it was that I should limit my accusations and make them specific to the program I was involved in...as that is where my experience of the program comes from.  Once again, you may not like my comments, but I am being honest!

All I have ever been about is the TRUTH.  If you are here for entertainment, then I feel sorry for you. If you see the subject matter as a joke, then you are missing the whole point.

[turbinekat]

Carey,

I normally sit on the sideline, but YOU have crossed over!!!  Calm down a little.  I too, like you first wanted to scream & shout at everyone & anyone about wwasps.  However, in my year of existence against wwasps, I have learned patience.  If you do not pace yourself, YOU will suffer burn out.  Take it from me, I?ve been there.

I started out wanting to attack everyone who knew anything about this sore subject.  Now, almost one year later, I have discovered this child reform industry is bigger than just you, me or Sue Scheff.  There are many players out there on THE team behind the scheme so to speak.  There are also individuals who are in the foreground pertaining to these major issues & others assisting these key people.

MY suggestion to you is;   PLEASE!!!  Refrain from name calling & attacking individuals within this clique of people.  The Ryan's, the Sue's, the Karen's & many others you have concluded as the enemy.  Everyone's contributions will pay off one day.  But it will take everyone's efforts, not just YOU.

I personally have spent many hours, months, & all of my extra time on researching these wrong doers.  Others have had children involved within these programs, some cousins, some nieces, nephews & some NOT even related to someone incarcerated behind wwasps walls.  A few people just like the cause it self or the person responsible for assembling a group against wwasps / child abuse.

MY question to you is why attack everyone or their opinion?  All of us, YOU included are entitled to an opinion.  Just because yours or mine differs does not constitute me as bad or good......it just means we think differently.  Why waste your energy feeding to people who are egging you on?  Utilize YOUR talents exposing wwasps NOT trashing everyone.  Some people are fearful of counter attacks from wwasps & stay behind the schemes others stick their necks out & ASSIST kids in need.

None of us are ever going to agree about every issue.  Although, we have assembled to fight a common cause concerning child abuse, all of our tactics vary.  Why don?t YOU join in & contribute instead of standing on the outside trashing a group of people.  You NEVER asked for any assistance for any of your court appearances!!!  A person?s financial status should NOT be the criteria for segregation!!!  Anyone with or without money can work towards a common goal.  Be civil about this whole issue & review some of YOUR OWN advice.  As your last statement warrants, ?grow up?.

This post may just fuel YOUR fire or it may wake YOU up.  My intentions were to open your eyes & not to close them.  My recommendation to you is to sit back for a day, review some of your antics on certain individuals & why.  YOUR outbursts only happen when everything doesn?t go YOUR way.  Everything is one sided in YOUR view, YOUR side & that's it!!!  Life doesn't work that way; right is NOT always right & justice is NOT always served in YOUR favor, regardless of the evidence.

Kindest Regards,

Lee

[Anonymous]

Oh, i am shaking now, let me pull my bag over my head tighter. Scared? Yes, if it makes you feel better or that you are succeeding, but i am scared you are a very loose person and in need of help. i am in fear for those around you. So yes, scared of you is right!

Get off your pure b-llcrap, it is getting old not to mention not important to the real picture. Who cares about pure or sue anyway, well, you do since you keep bringing them up. Now you include Amberly too, next.

Thanks Turbine, but I doubt she will listen.

[Carey]

Lee,

"You NEVER asked for any assistance for any of your court appearances."

Yes I did.  I asked Amberly for assistance and I asked Sue.  I wanted Amberly to allow me to show her letter to the PANI to the judge who was hearing my case.  The answer was no.  Why?  I don't know.

Sue knew about Randall. He could have made a statement.  They both had been there.  But no, Sue was worried about her law suit, defamation of character, not kids.

Two ex directors who could have come forward.  One with whom knew what I was going through.  The other with whom only needed to be contacted.  But Sue held that information close to her heart.

You see there is a lot that you all don't know.  I guess that is why Sue booted me from your listserv and why "someone" would like to do the same here.

[Anonymous]

Carey - get real!  You KNOW why none of those people would go to court!  If Amberly had her letter admitted as evidence, she would have been guilty of purgery.  It's one thing to write a letter by a disgruntled employee, but another to actually use it in a court of law.

It's just my humble opinion, but it looks like that would have been the case for the other's as well.  It's one thing to write things, it's another to speak them in court.

Since you were "instrumental" in getting Dundee closed, then they will probably re-open, once all the investigations are complete and the damage to the grounds is repaired. I agree that changes need to be made, but my hope is that they don't resort to "fluff" care like the one that I just read about here.  

You said your boys admitted they needed to be there and it was helping them.  I see you trying to make them wrong - what is your relationship with them now?  
I agree that you need to take a break.  Treat yourself to a week long cruise or something where you don't have internet access.

[Carey]

Where did I say that my boys admitted to needing to be at Dundee?  Can you please show me where I said that?  

NO, you can't.  It was never said!

NO ONE NEEDS TO BE ABUSED!!!!!!

[Anonymous]

Excuse me Anon, but the correct spelling is PERJURY.