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« on: July 31, 2003, 04:23:00 PM »
i am not sure that everyone know this but the huron law group in los angeles california is filing a class action against wwasp.

if you are interested, either a victim or parent that was frauded, call them at 310-284-3400, i think the person to talk to is Richard Wilfs. Or eamil him at rwilfs@huronlaw.com. you need to send him your name, address, phone numbers, dates in the program and waht program. if you are a former kid put your birthday.

this is for real and will be happening sooner than later.
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« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2003, 04:50:00 PM »
corrected email, Richard Wilk rwilk@huronlaw.com or call.
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« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2003, 07:49:00 AM »
Guess we know why they hired a Public Relations firm now! Lord knows their marketing techniques are second to none with the spamming of the web, now they haev to try to defend their lies! I hope that PR firm has a large liability policy.

Thanks Huron Law Group for helping us make WWASPS accountable!
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« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2003, 03:12:00 PM »
It is Richard Wilf. rwilf@huronlaw.com
310-284-3400

I just called after my email bounced back.
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« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2003, 08:02:00 AM »
i will call monday. thanks for posting this.

anyone know the statue of limitations on the age of the kids.
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« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2003, 08:53:00 AM »
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« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2003, 11:22:00 AM »
thanks karenz.  i will call on monday and let you know what i find out.
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« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2003, 12:24:00 PM »
Why stop at WWASP?  You may be aware that MANY programs follow the WWASP model - points, levels, privledges, consequences,etc. In fact, they know that the wwasp model works and many were opened by former employees.  Most charge much more than WWASP too, offer little or no indepth parent resources/support, or aftercare.

So why not just go after everybody and not limit it to wwasp?? This suit seems to be good for the other schools to get more kids into their program, so why not get them exposed as well??
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« Reply #8 on: August 02, 2003, 01:25:00 PM »
I believe the hold-up right now on filing the suit has to do with identifying all the responsible companies which need to be identified as defendants.  I have seen a spread sheet with nearly 50 different company names, a great many of whom have an address in St. George (same suite # as WWASPS).  Many many "responsible parties" names are one-in-the-same, essentially family members of Lichfield/Facer/Kay/Atkins.  Huron Law has an excellent reputation for class actions: they know what they're doing, and there can be a very large payoff if successful.

I feel the best strategy is to target the "biggest and best" (Lichfield's own words in a newspaper interview).  If it can fall and lose hundreds of millions of dollars, the ripple effect will discourage copycats and hopefully scare off parents who feel comfortable with shipping their kids off anywhere for a "fix".
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« Reply #9 on: August 02, 2003, 04:49:00 PM »
WWASP has been around for a while, they have an investment in staying around. They have deep pockets from their 80 million dollar per year revenues of which a lot of it is profit and goes into the pockets of the Kay/Lichfield/Atkins families.

They are also very big and a judgment against them would lead to the closing of 10 of the worst programs as well as preventing their opening any more.

The goal of a class action suit like this is to utterly annihilate the target with a judgment so large that every Kay/Atkins/Lichfield will be bankrupted, in addition the discovery process along with any court testimony (assuming it goes to court) will probably reveal all kinds of criminal activities that may result in charges later on. The programs will close, the people and companies will declare bankruptcy and will possibly end up being prosecuted. As for money, it is going to be swallowed by the lawyers with maybe a pittance paid to members of the class and quite possibly a large collection by the IRS since these programs often avoid taxation by claiming non-profit status which could be exposed as fraudulent when its revealed how much profit has actually been made.  


My hope is that any money that remains can be put into a foundation to provide legal representation for kids in and out of these programs as well as lobbying for outlawing these gulags.

As for the statute of limitations, I know that it is a bit different in each state. A lot of states allow someone to sue till 21 for anything that occured before 18 and then its a 3 year limitation from 18 on. However in California, didn't they pass a law that made it so there is no statute of limitations on child abuse?




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« Reply #10 on: August 02, 2003, 05:44:00 PM »
Geez, Facekhan...and you're "just a kid"!  From a college student comes some of the best ideas on this subject!  Let's all try to follow this lead, and come up with some alternatives or actions to MOVE TOWARD, and forget the mud-pit of in-fighting.

One of the things parents do when they sign a WWASPS contract is give permission to intercept US Mail.  Since Founding Fathers' days, the sanctity of the mail has served exactly the purpose intended:  no one can be isolated.  Give the kids email access (not total internet), and don't make them communicate strictly by email either (hidden censorship with the Delete key).  In the ISAC's Documents section, there is a memo from Allen Dulles, first CIA Director to J. Edgar Hoover.  In this 1956 secret memo (declassified in 1984), Dulles explains what this new "brainwashing" of Korean War POW's is, and ways US soldiers can be prepped to resist or endure it.  He suggests that dropping leaflets to let POW's know they're being thought of is a powerful weapon.  He also says to teach soldiers how to resist (in not giving out classified info), but that capitulation is finally OK.  WWASP kids eventually have to give in to survive.

Hhmm...our nearest neighbor owns a very large helicopter company, and is "cowboy" enough to have offered to land in the Casa courtyard and spirit my kid away.  Maybe I'll see what the littering laws are in Mexico, and ask him to pepper the place with love notes.  Anybody know if Mexican law prohibits mail coming in from being intercepted?

Everybody is looking for the beatings and physical abuse (and the US State Dept. in Tijuana works hard to "not" find any).  Perhaps more effective would be the nipping away at the foundation, like sanitation and dereliction of duty by the guardian WWASPS facility.
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« Reply #11 on: August 02, 2003, 07:30:00 PM »
Spots -  

Question - Aren't you just slightly concerned that when she graduates that she will choose not to have a close relationship with you because of what you are doing?  I know she will forgive you, but most graduates separate themselves from negative influences.  Are you prepared to be happy that she will graduates or will you attack everything she has done to be where she will be when she does come home?

What's the real story her parents have banned you from communicating with her? And don't give me the brainwashing thing - you know what they say about excuses?
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« Reply #12 on: August 02, 2003, 07:31:00 PM »
P.S. - I love the idea of the LOVE NOTES - that's the nicest thing I've ever heard you say.
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« Reply #13 on: August 03, 2003, 05:10:00 AM »
I can say this. When my best friend came back from two months at Alldredge Academy, certainly not a wwasp torture chamber but not exactly a wonderful experience either, he found out all the things I had done to try to get him out.

I called his parents, I research on the net, I attended a conference of treatment abuse, I phoned the local sherif and prosecutor who wanted the place shut down, reported his parents to cps, I called the media. I found out where he was using my research and contacts going only by a state that he was in which his parents told us after he was kidnapped. We even by coincidence got a copy of a letter that his mother was drafting to the program. (she typed it into the instant message console by accident and sent it to his other friend)

I even went so far as to plan a rescue operation to get him away until he was 18 on the off chance he escaped and made it to a phone to call someone or if we managed to get a location on where his group was hiking.

And if I had discovered that he was in a program as bad as wwasp I would had plans along with his other friends to aquire any necesary weapons and get him out of there by force.

When he got out, he did not cut me off as a negative influence. On the contrary, he said "you are my Samurai" and he gave me a sword.

Never give up Spots, no matter what happens and no matter how confused or changed she may be when she gets out of there you have shown you love her more than yourself which is more than her parents can say and one day she will thank you for fighting for her. Just knowing that someone was fighting for her release the whole time at such a heavy personal cost will help her to heal. That someone out there believes that it was wrong to send her there can help her believe that it was wrong too.

Dropping leaflets is a neat idea. Anything that tells the kids that others are out there fighting for them and that what goes on in there is wrong will help them to resist the brainwashing.

Trying to help her parents see the light and fighting to shut the place down and trying to use the legal process to get her out is all you can possibly be asked to do. The only thing beyond that is to take matters into your own hands and potentially break the law. There is no harm in thinking about it since its certainly something many of us have wanted to do when we were in your position. I would imagine it would not be too costly to have some Mexican gentlemen pay Casa a visit and get your grandaughter out. The question is would you be willing to live in exile possibly for the rest of your life?

Of course no one can ask you do such a thing and its probably best that you do not. I do not know whether I would have been willing to follow through with it myself. At some point I think I would have but even if my friend had been sent to wwasp I would have taken into account that he was just 3 1/2 months shy of 18 and could not be held beyond that but if he had been younger with the potential for being held there for years I think that I probably would have gone ahead with it.  

Anyone here familiar with whether you can get in trouble in the US for an act committed in another country?


In regards to seperating themselves from negative influences, I think you mean they seperate themselves from anyone their parents tell them to to avoid being sent back. Once they are 18 and no longer under such a threat it seems they tend to seperate from the most negative of influences the ones who sent them there and insist it was the right thing, their parent(s).



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