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Wow, obama is going to win
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: "kathyS" ---You are hung up on the language thing and I think you misunderstand my meaning. I don’t discredit survivors stories, as you put it. I am use to the language now. On your kitchen cabinet idea, suppose I called a customer to ask how their kitchen cabinet installation went and I heard: “Well the guy showed up to install our "plate prisons" and immediately suggested we place our dog in isolation and even gave us names of people who could kidnap little rover while he was sleeping. He abused and brutalized our entire kitchen and one of the plate prison installers denied us access to food and water for a period of time. One guy was nice enough to install a “corner rotation Gulag” so that we could place all our canned goods in isolation for their entire shelf life.”
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"Gulag," "cult" and "torture" are terms understandable to everyone but the people who want to discredit accounts of "torture" and "brainwashing" which go on in the "gulags" they earn their living from.
Your continued claim these terms are applied inappropriately is outrageous.
Here’s the definition of torture :
Torture, according to the United Nations Convention Against Torture, is:
“ Any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him, or a third person, information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity.
Gulag—a prison where detainees are held without trial or access to the courts, habeas corpus, or due process.
“Cultic abuse” “gulag” and “torture” have been defined for you 8 times. I do not apply these terms haphazardly or nonsensically like you do in your example above. But you continue to state we apply these words inappropriately, thereby discrediting our accounts of torture in cultic-gulags. In so many words, you say that survivors who say they were tortured, brutalized and held prisoner in gulags are lying.
http://www.amazon.com/American-GULAG-Se ... 1930418019
"An American Gulag: Secert POW Camps for teens" is a successful book written by author Alexia Park
http://consciouswoman.org/2008/01/04/co ... uary-2008/
She, like anyone not personally profiting from what amounts to the murder of children, understands the English language.
Froderik:
--- Quote from: "Guest" ---"Gulag," "cult" and "torture" are terms understandable to everyone but the people who want to discredit accounts of "torture" and "brainwashing" which go on in the "gulags" they earn their living from.
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Indeed!! Besides, I daresay it's time people here shut the fuck up about terms used, isn't it?
Anonymous:
--- Quote --- "Gulag," "cult" and "torture" are terms understandable to everyone but the people who want to discredit accounts of "torture" and "brainwashing" which go on in the "gulags" they earn their living from.
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Not true this is a total misconception on your part. I don’t usually strongly disagree here but you are way off. I talk to parents all the time and they have no reason to discredit accounts of torture and brainwashing nor do they earn their living from any of this and they would not associate these terms with boarding schools or programs I can assure you.
Gulag is a Russian forced labor camp. The word prison doesn’t apply either because Kids don’t have access to the court systems except thru their parents until they come of age and then they can sign themselves out anyway, so there is no law broken or denial of due process.
Torture involves “severe” pain which is the highest level of pain, for the purpose of extracting a confession , bamboo sticks under the finger nails, chopping of a finger, Chinese water torture etc.. I am sure there could be some examples of a child being in severe pain, but it is not something that is representative of this industry.
I understand that you use these terms as a shock value or to pump up some hype between yourselfs. I am not being critical of that. It is the way you feel and a good way for you to communicate between yourselves to release anger and frustration. I have been reading here enough to understand that
--- Quote --- In so many words, you say that survivors who say they were tortured, brutalized and held prisoner in gulags are lying.
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I am so surprised that you said this, everyone I have ever talked to would know that kids are not “literally” held prisoners in gulags in this country, because we don’t have labor camps for kids here. Show me one nationally recognized Gulag in the united states, they don’t exist. When people say they have been held in a Gulag and tortured they lose credibility for what comes after and the rest of what they have to say is not as believable. I never use to believe anything I read here but after awhile and after speaking with some of you it became clear that this was a choosen speech between survivors and I need to read between the lines and interpret to understand what is being said. So I do understand that problems occurred but someone new to this would not.
--- Quote --- She, like anyone not personally profiting from what amounts to the murder of children, understands the English language.
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They are trying to earn money from the books they sell. An eye catching title is sometimes key. I wouldnt use a book title to interpret this.
I am sorry that I disagree with you so strongly, guest, but if you spoke to people who are educated or not and that are not associated with the industry they would not associate the language and definitions (you describe) with the teen help industry. Guantanamo bay, that prison in Iraq or old Russia maybe, but nothing in the US. Does everyone on fornits really believe the rest of the world speaks like this?
Anonymous:
Here's a personal request going out to Psy and Femanon: Please stop brownosing the child murderer or poseur child murderer. "I think you're a good person"? "I think you have good intentions?" Uh...Read its most current contribution.
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: "I Sell Kids to torture camps, but you can call me KathyS" ---A Gulag is a Russian forced labor camp.
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1. A network of forced labor camps in the former Soviet Union.
2. A forced labor camp or prison, especially for political dissidents.
3. A place or situation of great suffering and hardship, likened to the atmosphere in a prison system or a forced labor camp.
Guantanamo has become the gulag of our time..."
Hey, look, moron.That's from dictionary dot com. Gulag applies to any detention center which hold captives extrajudicially. According to Amnesty International the term applies to Guantanamo Bay PARTICUALARLY regarding the minors detained.
Anyhoo, now we are clear on what “gulag” means and understand you choose to go with a personal definition in this matter. I understand you make money from buying and selling kid bodies, so it makes sense that "you and your group" choose euphemisms over representational English.
It’s interesting you mention that Gulag means “forces Labor Camp”
Here’s testimony from a Family Foundation School (cultic-gulag) survivors:
Amy Johnson
My name is Amy Johnson and I attended The Family Foundation School in Hancock, NY from August 2000 through June 2002. Over my 22 months at FFS I witnessed, partook in and was encouraged to emotionally, verbally, mentally and in some cases physically abuse my peers. While a new chapel was being built our dorms were a filthy, disgusting, bug infested, rotting, molding mess that parents were prohibited from seeing. At the school the students do all the manual labor such as cutting the acres of grass, shoveling upstate NY snow each fall and winter, preparing and serving the meals, cleaning the school and house.
Leah Bonner
I wasn't aloud to eat normal food, and I had to work without school. I was feed flavorless Cream of Wheat, english muffins with dry canned tuna, and a small cup of water. I was starving, and then I was accused of being bulemic, even though I was never alone, not even for a second to go to the bathroom. I was repeatedly told I was going to end up "dead, institutionalized, or in jail" if I left the school. I took care of a pig that I watched get shipped off to slaughter. I washed it, feed it, and gave it clean hay and water three times a day. I was forced to trot, I couldn't walk. No shoes. I was made to wear the most humiliating outfit they could find, and working included shoveling and carrying rocks in the middle of July and was told that it was God's work... as my belly grumbled I had to prepare other people's food.
http://cafety.youthrights.org/wiki/inde ... eah_Bonner
http://cafety.youthrights.org/wiki/inde ... my_Johnson
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