Why spend a year in a program when it can be done in a week

[Anonymous]

Man, imagine having abducted, imprisoned and tortured 1000s of kids, and being just a statute of limitations, just a corrupt or "hands-tied" bureaucracy's hair's breathe from going to the slammer. Wow.

The big difference is that he is happy and your not.

Yes, That's the fantastic thing about being a sociopath. See, me? I'm haunted by memories of that child I watched him murder back at Cedu.

I think of this child everyday.

Then I dream of this child at night.

This innocent, blameless creature that he abducted, imprisoned, slaved, molested, psychologically tortured, physically asphyxiated into nothing.I can't get past it.

Him? He's a sociopath. I doubt he even remembers his name. Not even his name.

I have no doubt he's happy...but you know what? This isn't over. He should laugh while he can.

[TheWho]

Man, imagine having abducted, imprisoned and tortured 1000s of kids, and being just a statute of limitations, just a corrupt or "hands-tied" bureaucracy's hair's breathe from going to the slammer. Wow.

The big difference is that he is happy and your not.

Yes, That's the fantastic thing about being a sociopath. See, me? I'm haunted by memories of that child I watched him murder back at Cedu.

I think of this child everyday.

Then I dream of this child at night.

This innocent, blameless creature that he abducted, imprisoned, slaved, molested, psychologically tortured, physically asphyxiated into nothing.I can't get past it.

Him? He's a sociopath. I doubt he even remembers his name. Not even his name.

I have no doubt he's happy...but you know what? This isn't over. He should laugh while he can.

Its funny how everyone has a different perspective.  I have seen way too many kids physically/mentally abused,  molested and isolated in jail because they were allowed to continue down a destructive path without any healthy intervention.  The parents probably ended up paying $100,000 in legal fees anyway but what they end up with is a hardened kid who can relate to jail birds better than their own family or peers who have been educated.  I get much more satisfaction focusing on and remembering all the kids who worked hard and that have been put back on track thru many of these TBS’s then I do those who never applied themselves.

Try talking to other kids who have passed thru the industry and you will gain a broader perspective, I guarantee you.  Then meet some of these kids who are just coming out of lock-up and compare them to kids who are emerging from a TBS.  I think you will see why I sleep well at night.



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[Froderik]

Its funny how everyone has a different perspective.  I have seen way too many kids physically/mentally abused,  molested and isolated in jail because they were allowed to continue down a destructive path without any healthy intervention.  The parents probably ended up paying $100,000 in legal fees anyway but what they end up with is a hardened kid who can relate to jail birds better than their own family or peers who have been educated.  I get much more satisfaction focusing on and remembering all the kids who worked hard and that have been put back on track thru many of these TBS’s then I do those who never applied themselves.

Try talking to other kids who have passed thru the industry and you will gain a broader perspective, I guarantee you.  Then meet some of these kids who are just coming out of lock-up and compare them to kids who are emerging from a TBS.  I think you will see why I sleep well at night.

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[psy]

Try talking to other kids who have passed thru the industry and you will gain a broader perspective, I guarantee you.

Why, pray tell, do I keep hearing about these kids with "positive" experiences, but have never seen or heard from one?  Might you do all of negative ninnies here a favor and bring some here so that they might enlighten us with this new, wonderful, perspective on what most, even casual observers, would consider abuse.

[Guest]

Its funny how everyone has a different perspective. I have seen way too many kids physically/mentally abused, molested and isolated in jail because they were allowed to continue down a destructive path without any healthy intervention. The parents probably ended up paying $100,000 in legal fees anyway but what they end up with is a hardened kid who can relate to jail birds better than their own family or peers who have been educated. I get much more satisfaction focusing on and remembering all the kids who worked hard and that have been put back on track thru many of these TBS’s then I do those who never applied themselves.

Try talking to other kids who have passed thru the industry and you will gain a broader perspective, I guarantee you. Then meet some of these kids who are just coming out of lock-up and compare them to kids who are emerging from a TBS. I think you will see why I sleep well at night.
Try talking to other kids who have passed thru the industry and you will gain a broader perspective, I guarantee you.

Why, pray tell, do I keep hearing about these kids with "positive" experiences, but have never seen or heard from one?  Might you do all of negative ninnies here a favor and bring some here so that they might enlighten us with this new, wonderful, perspective on what most, even casual observers, would consider abuse.

No Psy, the kid who was molested by Rudy Bentz was not "MOLESTED." He recieved "THERAPY." He just didn't have the right "PERSPECTIVE" about it, or "apply it in a postive way"!

I prefer to think about the kids who "worked hard" and were "put back on track" by being molested by Rudy Bentz

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[Ursus]

Its funny how everyone has a different perspective.  I have seen way too many kids physically/mentally abused,  molested and isolated in jail because they were allowed to continue down a destructive path without any healthy intervention.  The parents probably ended up paying $100,000 in legal fees anyway but what they end up with is a hardened kid who can relate to jail birds better than their own family or peers who have been educated.  I get much more satisfaction focusing on and remembering all the kids who worked hard and that have been put back on track thru many of these TBS’s then I do those who never applied themselves.

Try talking to other kids who have passed thru the industry and you will gain a broader perspective, I guarantee you.  Then meet some of these kids who are just coming out of lock-up and compare them to kids who are emerging from a TBS.  I think you will see why I sleep well at night

I see what you're saying about jail time, but I can assure you, from personal experience, that it doesn't happen quite so dramatically in the real world. Courts are generally pretty sensitive about precisely that possible self-identification, especially when the kid comes from your tax bracket. Time spent in juvie is meant to be as much culture shock as it is meant punitively or as an intervention, and often works.

What you don't get in juvie, unless you're on one of those TC-inspired psycho wards, is a whole lot of mind-fuckery like you get in a TBS. Worse, if actual physical or sexual abuse or assault occurs in a TBS, it is always cloaked in ample Kool-Aid that indicates that this was done "in the spirit of helping the kid." If said transgression is too severe for that to be believable, facts are skewed or changed to indicate that it actually was the kid's fault.

Outside of the fact that this is clearly an immoral charlatan's way of making a living, it totally screws up the kid's self concept and self-identity afterwards. I would say, without some serious and humane intervention with a knowledgeable and independent therapist (almost impossible to find) to undo the damage done by the TBS, said kid could easily be viewed as a ticking time bomb for the next 5-6 years.

There are other, genuinely healthy interventions which do not involve mind-fuckery. The pool of possibilities is not limited to only jail or TBS. That is just what they were trying to sell you.

[TheWho]

I see what you're saying about jail time, but I can assure you, from personal experience, that it doesn't happen quite so dramatically in the real world. Courts are generally pretty sensitive about precisely that possible self-identification, especially when the kid comes from your tax bracket. Time spent in juvie is meant to be as much culture shock as it is meant punitively or as an intervention, and often works.

Yes, I do agree that kids just don’t jump right into jail time.  Our local court system is actually really sensitive to not destroying the kids in their first or second offenses.  But this only applies pretty much to the middle and lower classes.  Kids from families in the upper middle to upper class never see juvie or even overnight in the can for a little punitive intervention because they don’t want their kids exposed to whomever could be in there with them and maybe get hurt.  If local services do not work then non local is the next step.

What you don't get in juvie, unless you're on one of those TC-inspired psycho wards, is a whole lot of mind-fuckery like you get in a TBS. Worse, if actual physical or sexual abuse or assault occurs in a TBS, it is always cloaked in ample Kool-Aid that indicates that this was done "in the spirit of helping the kid." If said transgression is too severe for that to be believable, facts are skewed or changed to indicate that it actually was the kid's fault.


Outside of the fact that this is clearly an immoral charlatan's way of making a living, it totally screws up the kid's self concept and self-identity afterwards. I would say, without some serious and humane intervention with a knowledgeable and independent therapist (almost impossible to find) to undo the damage done by the TBS, said kid could easily be viewed as a ticking time bomb for the next 5-6 years.

There are other, genuinely healthy interventions which do not involve mind-fuckery. The pool of possibilities is not limited to only jail or TBS. That is just what they were trying to sell you.

Jail time isn’t the way to go for many people and believe me it is always an option if you have the right lawyer and parents would rather send their child go to a boarding type school for $7,000 a month in a heartbeat to get the help they need for their child then to have kid go to jail or have the neighbors read about their kids problems published in the news paper.  Programs can be a very discreet option also which is a perk.  I believe there are many healthier interventions for children.  But sometimes they just don’t work and something else must be done.  TBS are at the end of the rope.




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[psy]

...or have the neighbors read about their kids problems published in the news paper.  Programs can be a very discreet option also which is a perk.

And i'm sure that is a primary factor in many parent's decisions: their own vanity.

[TheWho]

...or have the neighbors read about their kids problems published in the news paper.  Programs can be a very discreet option also which is a perk.

And i'm sure that is a primary factor in many parent's decisions: their own vanity.

No its not primary, but it is part of it.

[psy]

...or have the neighbors read about their kids problems published in the news paper.  Programs can be a very discreet option also which is a perk.

And i'm sure that is a primary factor in many parent's decisions: their own vanity.

No its not primary, but it is part of it.

So you're admitting parents make a program decision partially of concern to their own reputation/egos, and not necessarily exclusively for the good of their child.  What about the really vane parents, or those that are concerned with their child's religious or sexual preference (and those choices on their parent's social standing)?  Tell me how many programs care as long as they're receiving cash?  It's precisely for those reasons why due process is so important, and why treatment (forced change) should never be coerced.  It turns people into machines.  Trained child pets for the benefit of the parents.

[Ursus]

Recommended (re)reading:

The Emperor's New Clothes -- blueprint for how parents are "groomed"
Lord of The Flies -- a small glimpse of life in program[/list]

[TheWho]

So you're admitting parents make a program decision partially of concern to their own reputation/egos, and not necessarily exclusively for the good of their child.

Of course, everything is considered... cash available, liquidation of stock assets, interruption of vacation, flight schedules, school schedule.  It cannot ever be 100% for the 1 child... maybe 99.999% but not all.  There are other considerations... social standing is one.  If your child were to run for president someday ASR would be better on his record then Juvie.  Parents do alot to keep the record clean.

What about the really vane parents, or those that are concerned with their child's religious or sexual preference (and those choices on their parent's social standing)?

I am sure parents make mistakes that they regret and like the general population parents run the full gamut as far as how fit they are to make intelligent decisions.

Tell me how many programs care as long as they're receiving cash?

Not sure what you mean?  Like does the car dealer really care if you pay him before you drive the car off?  Will the local therapist work for free?  Insurance typically allows 12 sessions so the average doctor will not see your kid more than once a month unless they can get increased coverage (if you are not working out of pocket)

It's precisely for those reasons why due process is so important, and why treatment (forced change) should never be coerced. It turns people into machines. Trained child pets for the benefit of the parents.

If you have read anything about me you would know I don’t believe treatment can be forced and still be effective.  Do I think kids want to be there?  No.  Do kids want to be at school in general?  No.  But that is why the programs are so long.  It takes time to gain the trust of a new therapist, or new people in general.  The first few months my daughter had a hard time with her new therapist, but that occurs whether you are inside or out of a program.  Over time she was able to connect and things worked for her.  



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[Guest]

...or have the neighbors read about their kids problems published in the news paper.  Programs can be a very discreet option also which is a perk.

And i'm sure that is a primary factor in many parent's decisions: their own vanity.

No its not primary, but it is part of it.

So you're admitting parents make a program decision partially of concern to their own reputation/egos, and not necessarily exclusively for the good of their child.  What about the really vane parents, or those that are concerned with their child's religious or sexual preference (and those choices on their parent's social standing)?  Tell me how many programs care as long as they're receiving cash?  It's precisely for those reasons why due process is so important, and why treatment (forced change) should never be coerced.  It turns people into machines.  Trained child pets for the benefit of the parents.

Needless to say, these programs don't turn out pets; they turn out profoundly debilitated human beings, who are ripe for further exploitation by their narcissistic guardians.

It’s a sad reality which requires super-human resiliency and a lot of holy cow luck to escape

1984 is a better book for understanding the gulags: Cedu Running Springs,Cedu middle school, Cascade, Carlbrook, Academy at Swift River, Desisto formed by: Rudy Bentz, Jill Bentz, Steve Laird, Tim Brace, Mel Wasserman, Lou Woodbury, Mike Desisto, Charles Deidrich, Werner Erhard (thewho's owners).

We often wonder about thewho's identity. I think a good way would be to pool our info about all the staff and peer staff, until we've singled out the stupidest one to ever be indoctrinated. When we find this ultimate retard, we will have thewho.

[psy]

ASR would be better on his record then Juvie.

Juvenile records are sealed.

Tell me how many programs care as long as they're receiving cash?

Not sure what you mean?

What I mean is: will a program reject a kid, knowing he/she has no real issues, if the parents have money and are willing to pay anyway.

If you have read anything about me you would know I don’t believe treatment can be forced and still be effective.

Aha.  So you're saying that kids should never be "escorted" to programs?  Seems like a change of opinion to me.

[psy]

Needless to say, these programs don't turn out pets; they turn out profoundly debilitated human beings, who are ripe for further exploitation by their narcissistic guardians.

Ever seen the movie "Unleashed" with Jet Li? (Aka "Danny the Dog" by it's European title)

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0342258/

Pretty sure you'd like it.