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Taking things personally
« on: September 27, 2008, 07:44:07 PM »
Does anyone, especially survivor folks, take things way too personally on frequent occasions?
We have to deal with the unintentional program jargon jabs here and you know, the real life vs. program collisions over the years. Is it possible that program vets almost "have" to take things more personally than non program vets?

Sometimes people say shit that just cuts to the core, but when the same thing is said to an 'outsider', it bounces off or is dealt with much more easily, or so it seems. People don't have to have gone through the program to experience this enhanced sort of personally taking shit, but is this making any sense?

If someone has trouble coping with that, how can they fix it? Self esteem is important throughout the entire life cycles of most humans. Granted, some folks don't give a shit, never have never will, but for those of us that do, is there any hope? The program wanted us to think a certain way, like a damn robot, but in reality it doesn't work well at all. Does this wear off over time? How long? Any suggestions or thoughts on this subject?

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Re: Taking things personally
« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2008, 08:03:53 PM »
Quote from: "Sensitivius"
Does anyone, especially survivor folks, take things way too personally on frequent occasions?
We have to deal with the unintentional program jargon jabs here and you know, the real life vs. program collisions over the years. Is it possible that program vets almost "have" to take things more personally than non program vets?
Yes. Not that we have to, but I think we tend to.

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Sometimes people say shit that just cuts to the core, but when the same thing is said to an 'outsider', it bounces off or is dealt with much more easily, or so it seems.
There are certain words, or maybe just a tone of voice that can trigger this sort of thing. I guess this could cause fear / panic mode or whatever. I'm trying to be concise here.

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If someone has trouble coping with that, how can they fix it? Self esteem is important throughout the entire life cycles of most humans. Granted, some folks don't give a shit, never have never will, but for those of us that do, is there any hope? The program wanted us to think a certain way, like a damn robot, but in reality it doesn't work well at all. Does this wear off over time? How long? Any suggestions or thoughts on this subject?
If it's happening while with a person close to you, try talking with them about it when the "heat dies down." Conditioned response resulting from trauma can be difficult to cope with....I'm glad you started this thread.
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Re: Taking things personally
« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2008, 11:22:35 PM »
Thank you Froderik,

Triggers come in the form of:
when people ignore, or make me wait for seemingly excessive long periods of time in any given situation that "most" other folks would think was time-sensitive type stuff. You know,
ignoring which creates a host of other wonder type thought processes which spiral downward into an abyss full of maggot infested oozings of misfired brain cells. Sometimes it's valid, oftentimes it's not. It's the not I'm worried about.

or

jeez, I used up the remaining good brain cells on that one... lol, give me a couple hours...

maybe someone could put forth another example of a trigger. At some point it would be great to create a safety lock or something of that sort like a figurative stretcher, or harness or well, something non-delusional and that which would inspire the tormented soul.

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Re: Taking things personally
« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2008, 11:42:59 AM »
Quote from: "Sensitivius"
Thank you Froderik,

Triggers come in the form of:
when people ignore, or make me wait for seemingly excessive long periods of time in any given situation that "most" other folks would think was time-sensitive type stuff. You know,
ignoring which creates a host of other wonder type thought processes which spiral downward into an abyss full of maggot infested oozings of misfired brain cells. Sometimes it's valid, oftentimes it's not. It's the not I'm worried about.
You mean like going into a crowded grocery store with someone but deciding to turn around and walk out rather than deal with the lines and have your partner ask you what are you doing? Where are you going? And you can't, you won't answer (except for muttering "too crowded" or something), you just keep walking out across the parking lot until the person you were with catches up to you and rips your shirt off asking what the fuck is wrong with you?

Something like that?
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Re: Taking things personally
« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2008, 04:26:51 PM »
maybe, but mainly just in general. Especially after asking questions or in driving situations too, lol... or people cuttin in line or when calling a lawyer or other professional office setting...

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Re: Taking things personally
« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2008, 04:41:43 PM »
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or in driving situations too, lol...
:D  Oh lord, tell me about it.. For instance, I want a driver to have faith in me as co-pilot...especially when I'm in my element (familiar territory); I HATE going the wrong goddam way!

Sometimes I need reassurance that the driver knows where they're going, and if they won't communicate this to me, i want them to pull the fuck over so we can figure it out!! :wall:
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Re: Taking things personally
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2008, 02:00:18 PM »
Hell yeah, esp by folks that are supposed to "love me".  Like the folks at straight....and heres an example "Mike, we love you so much but since you are not participating in group, you can not eat today"   That kind of "love" I can do with out.
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Re: Taking things personally
« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2008, 04:14:44 PM »
Yes, I don't care who it is, when a person starts in on me (I assume you know what I mean), I just want to get away from them and their goddam mouth....and if I can't, I often get the urge to break their head in, or something nice like that! Consider this quote by madman/theorist/philosopher/playwright Antonin Artaud:

I myself spent nine years in an insane asylum and I never had the obsession of suicide, but I know that each conversation with a psychiatrist, every morning at the time of his visit, made me want to hang myself, realizing that I would not be able to cut his throat.
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Re: Taking things personally
« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2008, 07:22:28 PM »
Intolerable Interrogation Syndrome? IIS for short

What about when you get to the point where you just don't care. Is that the solution? What happens after that? A loud BOOM in the head, splattering the remnants of the maggot infested quagmire? At least then someone will have to clean it up and they might even wonder who you were or talk about how messy it was compared to the last one they did...? At least that way you have some validation.

It's damn frustratin as hell tryin to decide whether to care or not, instincts say yes, but after dealing with the program bullshit for so long, it's like FUCK IT! Why bother anymore? Having the program still around doesn't make it any better either. That is another subject anyway, you know, how do people just go about life without that aspect affecting them? Envy creeps in, takes hold and amplifies the frustration all around. ARGH!  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::  ::deadhorse::

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Re: Taking things personally
« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2008, 11:35:41 AM »
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What about when you get to the point where you just don't care. Is that the solution? What happens after that? A loud BOOM in the head, splattering the remnants of the maggot infested quagmire? At least then someone will have to clean it up and they might even wonder who you were or talk about how messy it was compared to the last one they did...? At least that way you have some validation. What about when you get to the point where you just don't care. Is that the solution? What happens after that? A loud BOOM in the head, splattering the remnants of the maggot infested quagmire?


In essence I believe that to be the case, yes.

I realised one day a few years ago I had to give up hope…not so much the word, but the concept and practice of hope. As nature abhors a vacuum, soon to follow was an idea that said…It will be ok! I didn’t, rather, I don’t pretend to know “how” ‘it will be ok’…it was/is a knowing. When knowing, one simply knows and needn’t ask any further questions. That was my experience.

Abandoning hope seemed sacrilege and the circumstances leading to this dark place was not pleasant or was this decision a fancy ideation…it was more out of necessity. I was tired of being a victim. I made a well thought out change of reference tween my own two ears to stop waiting in any way shape or form on anything outside of my own senses. I realised no one was going to “come to the rescue” and make every thing right.

I also lowered my expectations of other people outside of basic respect, courtesy and even then it’s a stretch. My rage dropped to bursts of anger and over time those bursts of anger subsided to being pissed off. Being pissed off simmered down as well. Filling that void was a generalized malaise…depression; physically I even went thru changes. I was determined not to be a victim and the price I had to finally pay was a distinct numbing fear. All the ideas I held on to, the supra-structure of my life as I knew it, were tumbling down all around me. Concepts I clung to leaked like sieves.  The fear was worst of all. I knew I had learned nothing in Straight Inc. Sure I thought, or felt like I could change the world, but as my friend Sam Kinison says, “I couldn’t change a tire in reality” On the other hand I had no other ideas…and those that were presented to me via books, Dr’s, religions, and especially churches I was exceptionally sceptical, so much that I gained little from them. What’s a poor guy to do…I just had a faith “it will all be ok”…without knowing how in any tangible or demonstrative manner. If it makes little if any sense to the reader, ya needn’t feel alone. It is something I do not understand in any logical, rational, reasonable or intellectual manner. Yet is my experience. Not something I can really say or articulate…or safely recommend. Especially when the original question involved the concept of caring…Hope to me has a greater implication than the word caring. And as I define the word caring, it falls under an umbella of hope.   

I also heard that loud BOOM…was the sound of my head popping out of my ass and the sudden expulsion of fumes bottled up after about a quarter of a century of nauseous putrefying garbage nestled teen my ears. As with any bang grenade I was stunned, not knowing what to do or what direction I was leading. Yet the inexplicable “faith” persisted and yet In my heart of hearts I knew that any and all forms of hope are a lie, whether I conj our them up, or they are fed to me from outside sources.

 What happens after that? My life has and continues to unfold with less and less effort. I wait on few people for less and less reasons…cept of my connects…you understand.

Also, happiness is no longer my life pursuit. Happiness is an emotion, like other emotions they are less than permanent and as such are easier to simple experience rather than strive to gain or avoid any of them. Comfort, pleasantries don’t seem like entitlements that infuriate me if the demands are not met.

This are all uncharted waters, deep and turbulent, not for the timid. As it was not taught, teaching is cumbersome, if not impossible. Knowing how I actively resisted any ideas from books, religions, people and especially churches...I understood how difficult it would be for others grasp what has become obvious to me. I believe firmly that the great snare to all great thought is the uncritical acceptance of irrational assumptions. Blaming douche bags for my unhappiness and expecting anything from these douch bags is a recipe for the desimation of my inner landscape. There are no reperations in my case.

Bad habits, those that involve hostility, justified or not toward others is something I am loosing taste for....perhaps its my age...too tired...would rather eat...smoke...boat...fish...work. And most of all, I would rather be happy than right.

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Re: Taking things personally
« Reply #10 on: October 04, 2008, 12:17:22 PM »
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This are all uncharted waters, deep and turbulent, not for the timid. As it was not taught, teaching is cumbersome, if not impossible. Knowing how I actively resisted any ideas from books, religions, people and especially churches...I understood how difficult it would be for others grasp what has become obvious to me. I believe firmly that the great snare to all great thought is the uncritical acceptance of irrational assumptions. Blaming douche bags for my unhappiness and expecting anything from these douche bags is a recipe for the decimation of my inner landscape. There are no reparations in my case.

Bad habits, those that involve hostility, justified or not toward others is something I am loosing taste for....perhaps its my age...too tired...would rather eat...smoke...boat...fish...work. And most of all, I would rather be happy than right.
Damned if you didn't nail it right there with that stuff about blind acceptance and the great snare, Woof! Fuck yeah!! To hell with these perpetually contentious types and their goddamn nazi-like agendas. Henry Miller said "Plots and character don't make life. Life is here and now, anytime you say the word, anytime you let her rip." I fucking hate people who don't know how to give a person their space. Some people seem to think that everyone else should have to go about things THEIR WAY or something! Why, why, why are they always so concerned with being "right," ya know??? It's not just damaging and annoying, it's fucking creepy, scary and downright INSANE, too!!!!

That being said, I, too, have learned to gradually accept that there are those people who will act like the douche bags they are. And I too try not to 'go off on people' if i can help it. I try and remember the Zen approach. "What would my imaginary monk do if he were up against the situations I'm up against?" I ask myself. I attempt to remain rational and calm and have a discussion rather then getting "worked up." This, of course, works only about half of the time.

But on the other hand, God damn them and their passing stupid judgment on me. If they'd just learn to LAY OFF once in a while... These are the times when I start thinking "It would be better to just be alone than it would be to coexist, etc." I think it was Krishnamurti who said that "It's no measure of health to be well adjusted to a sick society."
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Re: Taking things personally
« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2008, 10:56:46 AM »
It sounds like choice plays a key role. One has to decide how to proceed. There are more than 2 hands though, so choices become what seems like a complex mathematical equation. Why so? Why can't the choices be cut and dry. I want to feel happy so I choose to take the high road, but the damn boulders, maneater creatures, and violent weather systems block access. Do survivors in general suffer with multiple happy choices dilemma syndrome? "Gee, should I make that large bank deposit before or after the fishing trip? I can't decide if I should take the green rod or the blue rod, hmm, dammit, I can't decide, dammit!", or first thing in the morning out of bed looking out the window... "oh, how beautiful the sky is today, ahhhh, it is such an awesome time to be alive... no, actually it's an amazing day today, or better yet, I can't wait to finish my breakfast so I can be at work on time again..." lol
So maybe we really can choose to convince ourselves somehow that there is a better way to live, outside the experience based reality in which have lived for so long. I feel like I'm gettin somewhere with this, but I aint quite done yet. Hmm, that is a good thing... I think. I've heard many a famous tune regarding choices, so best to make the best ones we can while we're capable. Wouldn't have it any other way.

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Re: Taking things personally
« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2008, 11:21:16 AM »
Sarcasm  :moon:  is also a tool I use to combat that takin it personal kind of feelin: Like this classic jab against the reporters, moderators and editors who oppress free speech at the NWI Times up there in Indiana...

Intolerus on 06 Aug 2008, 15:21

your anti-program views will not be tolerated on any reputable Indiana newspaper message board or comment section located within the boundaries of program propaganda operations. This includes replies to Indiana's clueless reporters. The truth must not to be told in public. All negative opinions about and any complaints against abusive drug treatment in Indiana must first be filed with the Office of Ice Cracking and Thickness Measurement Services in Kamchatka Russia. This will ensure that the proper authorities will consider your side of the story. If within 600 days you do not receive a reply from the OICTMS, just get drunk and don't bother appealing and please... flush the toilet before you leave the bathroom!!!

Inty


Would this be considered a step in the spirit of digression of healing? OR is it healthy and acceptable behavior?

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Re: Taking things personally
« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2008, 12:06:45 PM »
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, I can't wait to finish my breakfast so I can be at work on time again..." lol
God fucking damn it, Sensitivius... for a second there, I forgot that the current administration put that 'no posting of images' setting into effect and now I realize I can't post that picture of Spongebob eagerly waiting to flip the next burger with his trusty spatula down there at the Crusty Crab......  :D
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Re: Taking things personally
« Reply #14 on: October 05, 2008, 12:10:40 PM »
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your anti-program views will not be tolerated on any reputable Indiana newspaper message board or comment section located within the boundaries of program propaganda operations. This includes replies to Indiana's clueless reporters. The truth must not to be told in public. All negative opinions about and any complaints against abusive drug treatment in Indiana must first be filed with the Office of Ice Cracking and Thickness Measurement Services in Kamchatka Russia. This will ensure that the proper authorities will consider your side of the story. If within 600 days you do not receive a reply from the OICTMS, just get drunk and don't bother appealing and please... flush the toilet before you leave the bathroom!!!

Inty
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