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Sarah Palin's Dominionist Ties
Ursus:
--- Quote from: "psy" ---FactCheck.org has an interesting report on the Ayers-Obama connection. I recommend you read it, Buzz.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008 ... ayers.html
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Great insight into the "mindset" of the McCain/Palin campaign too, I might add! All that fear mongering doesn't look so good, especially in light of recent findings of unethical conduct on Palin's part ('troopergate'):
Branchflower report:
http://download1.legis.state.ak.us/DOWNLOAD.pdf[/list]
Maybe that has something to do with McCain's recent attempts to rein in the mob:
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McCain booed after trying to calm anti-Obama crowd
By PHILIP ELLIOTT and BETH FOUHY, Associated Press Writers
Sat Oct 11, 1:33 AM ET
LAKEVILLE, Minn. - The anger is getting raw at Republican rallies and John McCain is acting to tamp it down. McCain was booed by his own supporters Friday when, in an abrupt switch from raising questions about Barack Obama's character, he described the Democrat as a "decent person and a person that you do not have to be scared of as president of the United States."
A sense of grievance spilling into rage has gripped some GOP events this week as McCain supporters see his presidential campaign lag against Obama. Some in the audience are making it personal, against the Democrat. Shouts of "traitor," "terrorist," "treason," "liar," and even "off with his head" have rung from the crowd at McCain and Sarah Palin rallies, and gone unchallenged by them.
McCain changed his tone Friday when supporters at a town hall pressed him to be rougher on Obama. A voter said, "The people here in Minnesota want to see a real fight." Another said Obama would lead the U.S. into socialism. Another said he did not want his unborn child raised in a country led by Obama.
"If you want a fight, we will fight," McCain said. "But we will be respectful. I admire Sen. Obama and his accomplishments." When people booed, he cut them off.
"I don't mean that has to reduce your ferocity," he said. "I just mean to say you have to be respectful."
Presidential candidates are accustomed to raucous rallies this close to Election Day and welcome the enthusiasm. But they are also traditionally monitors of sorts from the stage. Part of their job is to leaven proceedings if tempers run ragged and to rein in an out-of-bounds comment from the crowd.
Not so much this week, at GOP rallies in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Florida and other states.
When a visibly angry McCain supporter in Waukesha, Wis., on Thursday told the candidate "I'm really mad" because of "socialists taking over the country," McCain stoked the sentiment. "I think I got the message," he said. "The gentleman is right." He went on to talk about Democrats in control of Congress.
On Friday, McCain rejected the bait.
"I don't trust Obama," a woman said. "I have read about him. He's an Arab."
McCain shook his head in disagreement, and said:
"No, ma'am. He's a decent, family man, a citizen that I just happen to have disagreements with (him) on fundamental issues and that's what this campaign is all about."
He had drawn boos with his comment: "I have to tell you, he is a decent person and a person that you do not have to be scared of as president of the United States."
The anti-Obama taunts and jeers are noticeably louder when McCain appears with Palin, a big draw for GOP social conservatives. She accused Obama this week of "palling around with terrorists" because of his past, loose association with a 1960s radical. If less directly, McCain, too, has sought to exploit Obama's Chicago neighborhood ties to William Ayers, while trying simultaneously to steer voters' attention to his plans for the financial crisis.
The Alaska governor did not campaign with McCain on Friday, and his rally in La Crosse, Wis., earlier Friday was much more subdued than those when the two campaigned together. Still, one woman shouted "traitor" when McCain told voters Obama would raise their taxes.
Volunteers worked up chants from the crowd of "U.S.A." and "John McCain, John McCain," in an apparent attempt to drown out boos and other displays of negative energy.
The Secret Service confirmed Friday that it had investigated an episode reported in The Washington Post in which someone in Palin's crowd in Clearwater, Fla., shouted "kill him," on Monday, meaning Obama. There was "no indication that there was anything directed at Obama," Secret Service spokesman Eric Zahren told AP. "We looked into it because we always operate in an atmosphere of an abundance of caution."
Palin, at a fundraiser in Ohio on Friday, told supporters "it's not negative and it's not mean-spirited" to scrutinize Obama's iffy associations.
But Kathleen Hall Jamieson, director of the Annenberg Public Policy Center at the University of Pennsylvania an author of 15 books on politics, says the vitriol has been encouraged by inflammatory words from the stage.
"Red-meat rhetoric elicits emotional responses in those already disposed by ads using words such as 'dangerous' 'dishonorable' and 'risky' to believe that the country would be endangered by election of the opposing candidate," she said.
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Beth Fouhy reported from New York. Associated Press writer Joe Milicia contributed to this story from Cleveland.
Froderik:
Where can I get one of these Sarah Palin dominionist ties?
Ursus:
--- Quote from: "Froderik" ---Where can I get one of these Sarah Palin dominionist ties?
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:D :D
Are you fishing for a kinky tale of a dominatrix who specializes in pleasurable uses of neckties, whilst Pastor Muthee rails on in the background re. your serpentine lifestyle, Frod?
psy:
--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---
--- Quote from: "psy" ---FactCheck.org has an interesting report on the Ayers-Obama connection. I recommend you read it, Buzz.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008 ... ayers.html
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Great insight into the "mindset" of the McCain/Palin campaign too, I might add!
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Well. Both sides have been doing it. Factcheck.org has had a lot of fun recently posting out the BS flying from both directions, in their ads, in the debates, etc...
BuzzKill:
--- Quote from: "psy" ---FactCheck.org has an interesting report on the Ayers-Obama connection. I recommend you read it, Buzz.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008 ... ayers.html
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Hi Psy. I did. I have been aware of the Obama spin on this issue from the start. I would agree with McCain when he said Obama lied - because when he said of Ayers "He's just some guy in the neighborhood" that was a big enough down play to qualify as a lie. Ayers was much more than that. He was one of the inner circle that helped propel Obam into politics and into national prominence. And in my mind the question isn't so much why was Obama hanging out with this bomber dude - but rather, why does this bomber dude like Obama so much?
But from my perspective, Ayers matters as an issue mostly b/c of al the other troubling associations Obama has. It is the gathering together of all theses racist and viscous people in Obama's circle of influence that worry me. If it were just one of these men I could think maybe the concern was being overblown. But in light of there being such a number of really disturbing associations - coupled with yet others, just as disturbing, who support Obama, even if they are not directly associated with him - coupled with his own words, which seem to on occasion allow his racism to leak through his very carefully built facade - I am deeply, an I think very legitimately, concerned.
Personally, I believe Mr Percy Sutton was telling the truth about how he first head about Obama - who it was that asked him to write the letter of support to Harvard. I find it deeply worrisome that the Obama campaign would go so far as to have the family disparage the old gent to cover up this association. This indicates they know how disturbing it is - and they are willing to lie about something like this, and present a real "Black American Hero" as a demented old man, rather than give an explanation of how and why Obama was associated with Al- Monsour. I suspect they fear Obama's now often heard "I didn't know that about the guy" is wearing thin.
I think it is shameful that the American free press is so ignoring this story.
Also shameful is ignoring Obama's cousin Raila Odinga. I'll not post more articles and you tube clips, but Google Obama+Odinga. You'll see some articles saying they are cousins while others deny it - but apparently they are, even tho it isn't documented. By Obama's own admission, his own parents marriage isn't documented. Lots of relationships are not documented. You see some claiming Obama was in frequent contact, and others saying contact was minimal - altho all admit Obama did campaign for Ordinga while in Kenya. It matters, b/c Odinga instigated the murder of the opposing tribe and Christians, and Obama remained silent; and some insist even wrote email in support of his cousins efforts to invoke positive change in Kenya.
From Audacity of Hope:
'I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.'
The political winds shifted in an ugly direction some time back. He said himself who he stands with. We ignore all this at our peril.
If you use the same standards to judge Obama's character we use daily with the TT industry, I think you'd better see (or at least understand) my POV. They insist they do no harm. They insist they do great good - change is also their rallying cry. They insist anyone who says differently are lying manipulators with an agenda. They sometimes insist they are not affiliated with each other when they clearly are. You can't listen to what they say. You have to look at who they know - who their friends are - who their family is - and the consistent allegations they are not what they appear to be.
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