The Who offers to auction off his account for fornits!

[Ursus]

Sue Sceff, Steve Laird,Rudy or Jill Bentz, or that lovely Cedu enthusiast Annie Hall is in the forest

I'd like to see what some of these shitbags look like (aside from Sue; we already know)...a picture's worth 1000 words.

This link was posted in the 'Why spend a year in a program when it can be done in week' thread two days ago, contains a pic. Funny, but access to this page, and any mention of him, seems to have been removed from the Rubin Educational Resources website proper. Perhaps he used to work there, but no longer does.

Rubin Educational Resources LLC
Santa Fe Office
2205 Miguel Chavez Road, Suite B
Santa Fe, NM 87505

Tel: 505/989-8910
Fax: 505/989-8906

http://www.rubinedu.com/team/bentz.html

Rudy Bentz, Ed.D.
Director of School and Program Development,
Transition Coach

[li]Over twenty-four years experience in experiential and therapeutic education[/li]
[li]B.A. in Literature[/li]
[li]M.A. in Fine Arts in Creative Writing[/li]
[li]Ed. D. in Educational Leadership[/li]
[li]Developed performing arts program[/li]
[li]Headmaster at two therapeutic boarding schools[/li]
[li]Designed therapeutic programs and in-service trainings[/li]
[li]Developed and facilitated parenting workshops and in-service trainings[/li]
[li]Taught literature, rhetoric, and comparative religion classes[/li]
[li]Consultant for individuals, public and private schools, therapeutic boarding schools, and educational and business organizations[/li]
[li]Facilitated board retreats and mediated administrative/staff disputes for businesses, nonprofits, and schools

Services Provided:[/li]
[li]Transition Coach[/li]
[li]Development of School and Program Models[/li]
[li]Milieu Development[/li]
[li]Accreditation[/li]
[li]Student Profiles[/li]
[li]Workshops[/li]
[li]Trainings[/li]
[li]Retreats[/li]
[li]In-Service Consultations [/li][/list]

[Anonymous]

Ha, Ha, Ha!
 Not everyone "respects" youth who were abducted, imprisoned and tortured by Steve Laird, Rudy & Jill Bentz, Tim Brace, Mel Wasserman, at Cedu, Boulder Creek, Academy at Swift river, Carlbrook, etc.

But, very, very few endlessly tell these youth, on a message board these youth set up to resolve their trauma, that they received "therapy" while held captive by these cultic organizations because they were "at fault," and how bad they are today because  they continue to refuse to "accept that they are at fault."


Very, very few would state that even if the youth were disabled by their "therapy" Ha, ha, ‘cause their parents didn't have to deal with their bad, bad selves for the years they were held captive.

That takes a child-abusing, cult co-opted nut-case. And while those forementioned, are certainly not the only child-abusing, cult co-opted nut-cases, they are among the few that do so publicly.


The rest hide in anonymity like YOU, "parent" who claims witness to Dave Marcus observation of the Academy at Swift River, and has posted here 50xs a day for 4 years, repeating nonsense over and over, refusing to give your name, laughing at testimony of torture, mentioning "your friend’s" involvement with Werner Erhard, and that dead kids are great "data-points" that "we" use to improve programs.

(As a sock-puppet attempting to distract from their crimes, I know it irks you if I invoke names. You like their crimes remaining sub-google, that’s why you refuse to EVEN name a decent “program”—don’t like the attention that generate for said program)

I find it hard to believe you can come on to a board like fornits bitching about being placed in a program and blaming your parents after placing them and your whole family at risk.  There were young kids in the house and you were carelessly exposing them to your hepB, which you contracted carelessly.  You were not attending school or following any of the house rules and exposing the younger kids to your careless lifestyle.  Do you think it is a requirement for your parents to keep dragging the rest of the family down to police station after policestation at 3 in the morning to bail your loser ass out of jail... 10...15....50 miles away?

How can you expect to get any sympathy or have any of us believe your parents had any other choice.  You should really reconsider your belly aching and finger pointing and start getting control and taking responsibility of your own life.



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Sigh.
So sad that helpless youth get victimized by sub-human slime like you.

You'd just be laughable if not for the possibility you parented a kid, and that YOU PERSONALLY can, and perhaps have, abducted, imprisoned, and tortured, some youth in the name of reform.

You've made some interesting presumptions
1) that two posts are  by the same person
2) that I was serious about having hepatitis B. I was being facetious, you half-brained eunuch.
3) some very specific details about my personal life and their implications.

None of what you've pulled from your ass applies to me. Sadly, you, your masters Werner Erhard, Mel Wasserman, Steve Laird, Rudy Bentz, Jill Bentz, Charles Deidrich, Tim Brace abduct, imprison and brainwash youth to believe they have these randomly selected personal issues, that they're losers, and inflict upon them permanent brain damage from coercive though reform.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/story ... t0704.html


You pathetic nut, don't you realize when you attempt to shame me for made-up personal experiences, that you corroborate what survivors say goes on in CEDU, Carlbrook, Bouldercreek, Academy at Swift River---psychological abuse through exploiting personal experience, that often didn't even occur?

[Anonymous]

Sue Sceff, Steve Laird,Rudy or Jill Bentz, or that lovely Cedu enthusiast Annie Hall is in the forest

I'd like to see what some of these shitbags look like (aside from Sue; we already know)...a picture's worth 1000 words.

This link was posted in the 'Why spend a year in a program when it can be done in week' thread two days ago, contains a pic. Funny, but access to this page, and any mention of him, seems to have been removed from the Rubin Educational Resources website proper. Perhaps he used to work there, but no longer does.

Rubin Educational Resources LLC
Santa Fe Office
2205 Miguel Chavez Road, Suite B
Santa Fe, NM 87505

Tel: 505/989-8910
Fax: 505/989-8906

http://www.rubinedu.com/team/bentz.html

Rudy Bentz, Ed.D.
Director of School and Program Development,
Transition Coach

[li]Over twenty-four years experience in experiential and therapeutic education[/li]
[li]B.A. in Literature[/li]
[li]M.A. in Fine Arts in Creative Writing[/li]
[li]Ed. D. in Educational Leadership[/li]
[li]Developed performing arts program[/li]
[li]Headmaster at two therapeutic boarding schools[/li]
[li]Designed therapeutic programs and in-service trainings[/li]
[li]Developed and facilitated parenting workshops and in-service trainings[/li]
[li]Taught literature, rhetoric, and comparative religion classes[/li]
[li]Consultant for individuals, public and private schools, therapeutic boarding schools, and educational and business organizations[/li]
[li]Facilitated board retreats and mediated administrative/staff disputes for businesses, nonprofits, and schools

Services Provided:[/li]
[li]Transition Coach[/li]
[li]Development of School and Program Models[/li]
[li]Milieu Development[/li]
[li]Accreditation[/li]
[li]Student Profiles[/li]
[li]Workshops[/li]
[li]Trainings[/li]
[li]Retreats[/li]
[li]In-Service Consultations [/li][/list]

Wow, they move fast. Guess that traffic may be slow, but people are still reading fornits.
I hop you got a screen save ursus. Remember, cults have no problem lying.

[TheWho]

You'd just be laughable if not for the possibility you parented a kid, and that YOU PERSONALLY can, and perhaps have, abducted, imprisoned, and tortured, some youth in the name of reform.

ADS, ADA, LDS, DAS, SDL, ASD etc. Ha,Ha,Ha  Oh, yes I actually have a torture chamber in town we call it a school (I know that is foreign to you)!!!  I see those yellow school buses  whoops sorry, I think you refer to them as abduction mobiles, all over town.  

So now that someone has actually called you on your stuff you start to back down.  I know you are using me as a punching board for your own parents but it isn’t going to make you feel any better.  You probably will not get any peace until you confront them and apologize for what you put them thru and your siblings.  Parents can only help you so much and the rest is up to you.  If you decided to piss away your chance in the program then that is something you will have to live with.  You come on to fornits and play the victim so you can avoid any responsibility for your life but it doesn’t work does it?  You still feel like shit don’t you and trying to blame me for your life isn’t working either.  So tomorrow try something different.... look in the mirror and say to yourself “I fucked up my own life, I have no one else to blame”.  You will start to feel better about yourself the same day, I guarantee it.



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[psy]

I totally agree! it's been rehashed and rehashed again. It's just annoying to have an admin of a site state an outright lie, and then claim they are upholding the integrity of this website. I quoted the post, and removed the information to be respectful to CCM, hoping zen would later delete it and since i was posting as guest without the ability to edit, I didn't want to leave that information up forever, hence the XXX's in the post. As far as that drama is concerned, I know what happened, and it's old news to me. But now psy is claiming you can't believe CCM, or any other survivor because he knew a girl in becnhmark that lied? That's just plain absurd, I believe program survivors over parents any day of the week!

All i'm saying is that it is possible that she lied about this.  I'm not saying that she lied about anything that went on in a program.  I didn't see anything, and neither did anybody else.  The only "people" who ever saw any of Zen's posts were guests who won't identify themselves.  What do you want me to do?  It's a situation where it's one person's word against another.

He is also lying about admins not threatening posters. He threatened to call the cops on me, then banned me, then laughed about it how I was shaking in my boots waiting for the cops to arrive. All for saying kids need to rise up and fight for their right to not be abused and brainwashed.

No, actually you (if it was you) said

[Today at 03:13:33 PM] guest-6d53: i heard a stotry from a program staff once
[Today at 03:14:20 PM] guest-6d53: and i thought it was a lie
[Today at 03:14:37 PM] guest-6d53: becase staffs lie a lot
[Today at 03:15:07 PM] guest-6d53: i told him so and he was like ohhhh and i was like shut up staff and that was it
[Today at 03:15:19 PM] guest-6d53: stupid staff
[Today at 03:18:36 PM] guest-6d53: the kids should rise up and take the staff out

And I don't think you meant to dinner.  Read the full transcript here.  That's fine on the forum, where it's unmoderated by policy, and thus the administration is not responsible, but on a moderated shoutbox, there are legal liability issues (note that the shoutbox is no longer moderated).  It was a warning, and mostly a joke to freak you out.  I assumed you to be an agent provocateur trying to say something that would get the FBI/cops to come take the server away.  Maybe I shouldn't have said, it (and woudn't if I thought people would take it so seriously), but I did.  Harm done.  Deal with it.  I apologize and hope we can just drop this, as it's real, real, old.

Now I've seen much worse threats posted on fornits, but the cops were never called on them.

Again, on the forum, which is not moderated, and thus there are far fewer legal liability issues.

I didn't even threaten anyone, I just made a very generic statement.

"guest-6d53: the kids should rise up and take the staff out"

Very generic.

How can people be expected to trust an admin who does things like this? He finds it funny to create fear in a poster who believes the cops are about to knock on the door, and then thinks he can claim fornits is a safe place to post anonymously and that admins never threaten anyone?

It was more a warning than anything else.  Again, I assumed you to be an agent provocateur trying to say something that would get the FBI/cops to come take the server away (and thus shut down fornits).  Did I call the cops?  No.  But what if somebody else did?  What if they slammed fornits, or the hosting provider with a subpoena.  Then you'd be fucked, no wouldn't you, and Fornits would be without a server.  So consider I did you a favor.  I would never wish five-oh on anybody (save maybe a program or program staff).  

Anyone else here smoke tbpitw? Well you better not say the wrong thing to the wrong person, otherwise they will threaten to use your IP to call the cops on you, and then you can end up in an adult program for drug abuse, all thanks to fornits! ABSURD.

Half the people (if not more) on this site, smoke TBPITW.  Your suggestion is absurd, and the majority of the administration here takes a libertarian stance on the topic, anyway.  I, for one, will never aid the drug war.  I believe people have a right to put whatever they want in their own bodies (at the same time, they're responsible for what they do to others directly...  Drugs don't make people do bad things.  If they did we'd have to hold them innocent in a court of law, but that isn't the case.  People are responsible for their actions, period, not the drugs/alcohol.  To ban drugs, pre-supposing that they will cause people to commit crimes is to be prejudiced against those who can and do use them responsibly.  The group should not be punished for the actions of a minority, or even a majority, were that the case.).

[psy]

You'd just be laughable if not for the possibility you parented a kid, and that YOU PERSONALLY can, and perhaps have, abducted, imprisoned, and tortured, some youth in the name of reform.

ADS, ADA, LDS, DAS, SDL, ASD etc. Ha,Ha,Ha  Oh, yes I actually have a torture chamber in town we call it a school (I know that is foreign to you)!!!  I see those yellow school buses  whoops sorry, I think you refer to them as abduction mobiles, all over town.  

So now that someone has actually called you on your stuff you start to back down.  I know you are using me as a punching board for your own parents but it isn’t going to make you feel any better.  You probably will not get any peace until you confront them and apologize for what you put them thru and your siblings.  Parents can only help you so much and the rest is up to you.  If you decided to piss away your chance in the program then that is something you will have to live with.  You come on to fornits and play the victim so you can avoid any responsibility for your life but it doesn’t work does it?  You still feel like shit don’t you and trying to blame me for your life isn’t working either.  So tomorrow try something different.... look in the mirror and say to yourself “I fucked up my own life, I have no one else to blame”.  You will start to feel better about yourself the same day, I guarantee it.



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I'm quite sure you're either closer to the program than a parent, or very thoroughly indoctrinated.  The language you speak is programmiespracken 101, and so is your judgement of somebody you don't know.  How do you know his/her life is fucked up, or is that just something you say to try and break people down?  It's exactly this sort of shit that makes people hate you and want you off the site.  Frankly, I can't wait until 5 PM tomorrow (CET) when I get to lock you out and transfer the account to Ursus.

[TheWho]

I'm quite sure you're either closer to the program than a parent, or very thoroughly indoctrinated. The language you speak is programmiespracken 101, and so is your judgement of somebody you don't know. How do you know his/her life is fucked up, or is that just something you say to try and break people down? It's exactly this sort of shit that makes people hate you and want you off the site.

That has been exactly my point all along (Double Standard, judgement of someone you don’t know).  How does the other person know if I abused my daughter or if I have a relationship with Rudy Benz or a relationship with est... etc.  Do you see your double standard?  It is okay to assume many things about my life, but when I do it you see it differently, like I am abusing a survivor.  Your thinking is very clouded and one sided.  Maybe it is because of all the time you spend here, I don’t know.  But I think you can see my point.  I have tried to point thisout in the past many times.  It may help you going forward.

Frankly, I can't wait until 5 PM tomorrow (CET) when I get to lock you out and transfer the account to Ursus.

Is that my official notice?

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[Anonymous]

All i'm saying is that it is possible that she lied about this.  I'm not saying that she lied about anything that went on in a program.  I didn't see anything, and neither did anybody else.  The only "people" who ever saw any of Zen's posts were guests who won't identify themselves.  What do you want me to do?  It's a situation where it's one person's word against another.

You already took sides, and called CCM a liar. I'm telling you, from my point of view, how this appears being one of the persons who saw the post. Hell, I quoted it.

It was a warning, and mostly a joke to freak you out.  I assumed you to be an agent provocateur trying to say something that would get the FBI/cops to come take the server away.  Maybe I shouldn't have said, it (and woudn't if I thought people would take it so seriously), but I did.  Harm done.  Deal with it.  I apologize and hope we can just drop this, as it's real, real, old.

That's the fucked up part about it. You did it to freak me out. I knew it didn't matter if you called the cops, being on a proxy, the IP you had was worthless. But it was received as a threat, and so it is factual to say an admin threatened a poster, me.

Again, on the forum, which is not moderated, and thus there are far fewer legal liability issues.

Yeah. Sure. Come on, half the forums on fornits are moderated. Get real.

"guest-6d53: the kids should rise up and take the staff out"

Yes, that is a very generic statement. I didn't name a specific person I was threatening. Do you stand by your reaction that of threatening to turn my IP over to the police, based on this quote, was appropriate? That way survivors know what they can't say.

It was more a warning than anything else.  Again, I assumed you to be an agent provocateur trying to say something that would get the FBI/cops to come take the server away (and thus shut down fornits).  Did I call the cops?  No.  But what if somebody else did?  What if they slammed fornits, or the hosting provider with a subpoena.  Then you'd be fucked, no wouldn't you, and Fornits would be without a server.  So consider I did you a favor.  I would never wish five-oh on anybody (save maybe a program or program staff).  

Who?  I didn't name any names, I made a very generic anti-program, anti-staff statement. There are very specific threats oriented towards individuals and programs on this forum, yet it was my very generic "threat" against all staff in america that has you concerned?

Half the people (if not more) on this site, smoke TBPITW.  Your suggestion is absurd, and the majority of the administration here takes a libertarian stance on the topic, anyway.  I, for one, will never aid the drug war.  I believe people have a right to put whatever they want in their own bodies (at the same time, they're responsible for what they do to others directly...  Drugs don't make people do bad things.  If they did we'd have to hold them innocent in a court of law, but that isn't the case.  People are responsible for their actions, period, not the drugs/alcohol.  To ban drugs, pre-supposing that they will cause people to commit crimes is to be prejudiced against those who can and do use them responsibly.  The group should not be punished for the actions of a minority, or even a majority, were that the case.).

Those who smoke can appreciate the seriousness of someone with your IP, threatening to notify authorities on you.


As to my ranting about staffs lying, it is not a well kept secret that I have little love for program staff. Sometimes I rant on the chat, but this is a anti-program forum, and the only one that allows drunk anti program tirade type rants. For that I am grateful, but let's get real, when you say that admins never threatened a poster, that is factually incorrect. As to the zen matter, when you call CCM a liar, that is factually incorrect. Imagine you were the one who quotes the post in question, but me as an admin say it's a he-said-she-said, BTW- CCM is a liar, and here's an anecdote to confirm survivors are liars. Can you at least acknowledge why this might rile someone up in my position? As someone who was banned, and threatened for a generic anti-program/staff statement, can you see why a free-speech-for-all argument supporting TheWho's right to belittle, torment, question, mock, and troll survivors rings hollow with me?

[psy]

Shoutbox was moderated. From that you were banned for what most would see as a death threat ("take staff out").  Generic or not, there was a very real possibility that someobdy like SS could call the FBI and have the server taken away.  Since the shoutbox is moderated... oh hell. I'm repeating myself.   From the forum you weren't banned and now that the shoutbox is no longer moderated at all, you're more than free to say whatever you like there.

If I freaked you out, I am sorry.  Ok.  I apologize.  I can appreciate how you are upset about the whole CCM situation could "rile you up" if, indeed, you did see such a post, but I didn't, and nobody else did, so what do you expect me to do?  As I said previously, I can't punish a person without any evidence.  Zen even offered to resign if it would make the situation go away, and I told him not to, since there was no evidence of any wrongdoing on his part.  I can also appreciate how me appearing to defend TheWho can upset you, but it's my job to enforce Ginger's policies, and sometimes I enjoy it less than other times.  If you have a problem with her policies (which I tend to agree with), you should consult her, but I doubt she'll budge on this issue as she wants this forum to remain a place for discussion, not a survivors exclusive club.

Please don't hold it against me personally.  I'm just trying to do my job to the best of my ability.  Sometimes I make mistakes, sometimes I offend people.  For that, I'm sorry, but I do my best.

[psy]

I'm quite sure you're either closer to the program than a parent, or very thoroughly indoctrinated. The language you speak is programmiespracken 101, and so is your judgement of somebody you don't know. How do you know his/her life is fucked up, or is that just something you say to try and break people down? It's exactly this sort of shit that makes people hate you and want you off the site.

That has been exactly my point all along (Double Standard, judgement of someone you don’t know).  How does the other person know if I abused my daughter or if I have a relationship with Rudy Benz or a relationship with est...

Stop turning things around.  We're talking about you now.  Just because he may or may not have (and I recall him saying "possibly") made unsubstantiated allegations against you does not mean it's right for you to do the same to him, especially in the way you did, which is much the sort of thing many of us heard inside programs (in a similar, unsubstantiated manner).  Look.  Without having being a kid in a program you simply won't understand just how offensive what you just said was.  It's just that simple.  Maybe you don't mean to go around offending everybody here, but you do, and have made very little, if any, effort to try and relate to how many of us have suffered inside programs.  Maybe you're not capable of that amount of empathy or human understanding.  If that's the case, I feel sorry for you.

Frankly, I can't wait until 5 PM tomorrow (CET) when I get to lock you out and transfer the account to Ursus.

Is that my official notice?

More or less, and I hope you'll keep your word to cease posting entirely.  With or without realizing it, you do hurt people here.  Some are more thick-skinned than others, but not all can take what you dish out.

[Ursus]

...So now that someone has actually called you on your stuff you start to back down.  I know you are using me as a punching board for your own parents but it isn’t going to make you feel any better.  You probably will not get any peace until you confront them and apologize for what you put them thru and your siblings.  Parents can only help you so much and the rest is up to you.  If you decided to piss away your chance in the program then that is something you will have to live with.  You come on to fornits and play the victim so you can avoid any responsibility for your life but it doesn’t work does it?  You still feel like shit don’t you and trying to blame me for your life isn’t working either.  So tomorrow try something different.... look in the mirror and say to yourself “I fucked up my own life, I have no one else to blame”.  You will start to feel better about yourself the same day, I guarantee it.

I'm quite sure you're either closer to the program than a parent, or very thoroughly indoctrinated.  The language you speak is programmiespracken 101, and so is your judgement of somebody you don't know.  How do you know his/her life is fucked up, or is that just something you say to try and break people down?  It's exactly this sort of shit that makes people hate you and want you off the site.  Frankly, I can't wait until 5 PM tomorrow (CET) when I get to lock you out and transfer the account to Ursus.

Don't forget this one. It's a biggie:

"TheWho" wrote:
So tomorrow try something different.... look in the mirror and say to yourself "I fucked up my own life, I have no one else to blame".  You will start to feel better about yourself the same day, I guarantee it.[/list]

[psy]

Well.  I could have just highlighted the whole thing... lol.

[TheWho]

As to my ranting about staffs lying, it is not a well kept secret that I have little love for program staff. Sometimes I rant on the chat, but this is a anti-program forum, and the only one that allows drunk anti program tirade type rants. For that I am grateful, but let's get real, when you say that admins never threatened a poster, that is factually incorrect. As to the zen matter, when you call CCM a liar, that is factually incorrect. Imagine you were the one who quotes the post in question, but me as an admin say it's a he-said-she-said, BTW- CCM is a liar, and here's an anecdote to confirm survivors are liars. Can you at least acknowledge why this might rile someone up in my position? As someone who was banned, and threatened for a generic anti-program/staff statement, can you see why a free-speech-for-all argument supporting TheWho's right to belittle, torment, question, mock, and troll survivors rings hollow with me?

Why is it okay to belittle, torment, question, mock, and troll program staff, parents, myself?  It happens all day everyday!!  Then when one of you guys are called out you scream foul like it is against some religion or something.  Can someone explain this?

I have seen staff called every name in the book, mocked, trolled, belittled etc.  The same for parents and myself.  Why does everyone get so upset when it is done to a survivor?  Are you guys just more sensitive then us or do you think there should be a double standard?  It would be nice to know.



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[Anonymous]

Shoutbox was moderated. From that you were banned for what most would see as a death threat ("take staff out").  Generic or not, there was a very real possibility that someobdy like SS could call the FBI and have the server taken away.  Since the shoutbox is moderated... oh hell. I'm repeating myself.   From the forum you weren't banned and now that the shoutbox is no longer moderated at all, you're more than free to say whatever you like there.

A death threat against whom? What police station did you intend to call? If this sort of generic "death threat" could be considered a threat, the internets would be shut down in about two seconds. I think it was because we got into a argument, which escalated into a war of words, and emotions got a little heated and you wanted to freak me out. Am I wrong? This would be much more comforting to know, than think we have to worry about what we say on this forum, in fear of an IP being leaked to federales.

If I freaked you out, I am sorry.  

Well, you didn't, because I was on proxy. What you did, was piss me off, and cause me to lose all hope in this forum at the time.

Ok.  I apologize.

As do I for calling you names later that chat, I was rather angry.

I can appreciate how you are upset about the whole CCM situation could "rile you up" if, indeed, you did see such a post, but I didn't, and nobody else did, so what do you expect me to do?  As I said previously, I can't punish a person without any evidence.  Zen even offered to resign if it would make the situation go away, and I told him not to, since there was no evidence of any wrongdoing on his part.

A lot of people saw that post, even another guest who is posting in this thread. Really, all one has to do is read the thread, and it's obvious. Hell, zen even apologizes to CCM for posting it. But that thread matters little to me. I know 100% that post in question was real, as I quoted it, but I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince anyone of this.

I quoted you earlier in this thread when you edited out the part about CCM. You could of just denied it (there were no edit tags) and said I made it up, just like the other thread in which my guest quote is questioned, which would result in a similar stalemate. But I don't have the luxury to ignore facts I know to be true. Knowing that CCM is telling the truth, I get upset when an admin of this site (and a fellow survivor as well) chooses to disregard her word and then include anecdotal evidence that other survivors are liars. This harms all of us. It confirms what parents like TheWho want to believe about us. When it comes from the top, even more so.

I can also appreciate how me appearing to defend TheWho can upset you, but it's my job to enforce Ginger's policies, and sometimes I enjoy it less than other times.  If you have a problem with her policies (which I tend to agree with), you should consult her, but I doubt she'll budge on this issue as she wants this forum to remain a place for discussion, not a survivors exclusive club.

Please don't hold it against me personally.  I'm just trying to do my job to the best of my ability.  Sometimes I make mistakes, sometimes I offend people.  For that, I'm sorry, but I do my best.

I get that. I'm not attacking you personally. I am expressing my personal outrage at the situation, and frustration with- what from my perspective - appears to be a double standard. I was banned and threatened for saying students should rise up (take that however you want).
So..
Why not ban, and threaten to send theWho's IP address to the police, for all the crap that he spews day and night? Why not fuck with him, and freak him out in the same way? Instead he gets threads like this, or identity auction, or t-shirt, and it gives him the sort of credibility and attention he wants. I realize he can come back on proxy. I get that there is no solution to this, which is fucking sad as hell. By following the rules set out by this forum, he will win, and drive traffic (other than who flame wars) to a standstill.

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Why is it okay to belittle, torment, question, mock, and troll program staff, parents, myself?  It happens all day everyday!!  Then when one of you guys are called out you scream foul like it is against some religion or something.  Can someone explain this?

People get what they give, and sometimes people judge groups based on the actions of individuals, or treat all parents like theirs (who they resent).  it's natural human reaction.  In your case, the ire is well earned, and not borne out of prejudice. Don't play innocent, you've done more than enough to offend people around here, so don't act like you haven't brought it upon yourself.  Yet again, your attempting to avoid the previous topic and turn things around so you don't have to answer to what you have said.  See here:

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