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Marijuana and the Treatment of an 8-year-old Child with Mult
« on: September 06, 2008, 04:33:30 PM »
Marijuana and the Treatment of an 8-year-old Child with Multiple Psychiatric Diagnoses
PR CannaZine (press release), UK - Sep 4, 2008

The psychiatric history of Debbie Jeffries' son suggests a complicated, multi- diagnosis developmental disorder.

Mrs. Jeffries, after learning about cannabis as a medicine and deciding that, given its limited toxicity, she had little to lose in exploring the possibility that it might be helpful to her son where other, more toxic medicines had failed.  The remarkable success she and her son achieved with marijuana is certain to generate controversy.

Home-grown cannabis is the safest option..no matter what anyone else tells you. Only then can you be sure of the purity and the clarity of what you are about to consume. Thinking of growing medical marijuana for the first time? Join us on the Canna Zine cannabis forums , and let us guide you and you'll save money too.

Jeff has been diagnosed with just about everything, starting from the age of 2, with: ADHD, PTSD, OCD, ODD (Oppositional Defiant Disorder), IED (Intermittent Explosive Disorder), CD (Conduct Disorder) Bi-polar disorder, etc.

Over 16 doctors have tried Jeff on every medication under the sun....adderall, carbamazepine, clonazapam, clonidine, depakote, dexedrine, guanficine, imipramine, melleril, neurontin, propranolol, risperdal, ritalin, seroquel, wellbutrin, zoloft, and zyprexa....and then combinations of these medications too.

NOTHING worked, and most had adverse side affects and reactions.

We also have tried numerous behavioral modifications, therapies, and governmental agencies that specialize in treatment of special needs kids, but to no avail.

In the beginning of Jan. 2000, he was placed into a residential facility for over a year (that was so hard for me to be away from him, unable to give him night-night kisses), and failed a level 12 program.

They were going to ship him to a Institution across the states and I told them "NO!” give me one more chance to try to get him straightened out before I have to give up on him.

They brought him home and we had social services in our home, around the clock, to help keep Jeff under control. In May, we had an emergency IEP because he was WAY out of control and a danger to students and teachers again at his special ed school for conduct disorder and emotionally disturbed children (now that is scary when they could not even handle him), and I was given 30 days to come up with a solution.

I had been studying the affects of marijuana since my students last year did a report for speech and debate. In it we had learned that it had been used dating back to the ancient years for mental disorder.

I then took on my own research and searched all articles I could find: doctors, groups, etc....and thought it just might work for my son too.

I contacted WAMM and Valerie Leveroni Corral (the Director) listened to me.

She asked me to send documents on Jeff, and then she put me in touch with a doctor who was a pediatric specialist, but also knew about medical marijuana. The only thing was that it had never been tested on children for mental illness, but he was willing to prescribe it for Jeff, uncertain if it would work or not. We set an appointment for the doctor to meet and see Jeff.

Let me note here, I have never used drugs and was very uneducated until my study on the positive affects medical marijuana has. It is natural, and does not harm my son's body, unlike all the other medications he had been on.)

Well, we first got the medication in the form of muffins.

Jeff had to eat a 1/4 of a muffin 2 times a day (as a starting point) and we were to adjust accordingly, under the doctors’ care, as with any other medication.

Within a 1/2 hour of ingesting, I had a new child, I kid you not. We were driving to school, and as I merged into a new lane of highway traffic, Jeff looked over at me and smiled, his grip loosened and he said, "Mommy, I feel happy, not angry, and my head doesn't feel like a traffic jam"!

Now that was profound coming from a 7 year old. That day at school his report home was wonderful, with no aggression and he was very compliant and re-directable.

May 21st was the first day of Jeff's life, literally! I now have an 8 year old son who is stabilizing on this his medical marijuana. Socially and emotionally Jeff is about 2 years old, but is progressing now. For the first time he is able to receive therapy to help him on issues. He is not aggressive, is able to follow directions (for the most part....he is only 8 *smile*) and is a fun, loving kid who also for the first time has friends. He had his very first Birthday party this fall, able to invite friends who actually came!

This is a miracle. Granted it will not "cure" everything, but again, it allows him to be able to participate in therapy. Being around him now, most of the time you would think he is just a typical child, not one who has had a life of hell, been over-medicated even so badly that he had to be admitted to the hospital to detox him, almost dying from the toxicity of the other medications the doc had him on.

Ironically, even after I was so upfront with Jeff's treatment, or even plans of starting him on the medical marijuana, social services gave me thumbs up with going forward on medical exploration. It wasn't for a month and a 1/2 later that they filed a report to CPS who took me to court with allegations of being an unfit mom because I was contributing marijuana to my child. Under Prop 215, here in CA, it is LEGAL to give medical marijuana to a patient who is severely ill. Jeff qualified as severely ill, nothing else had worked and I was about to lose him to an institution. Finally on December 4, it was ruled that I could continue giving my son his medical marijuana. It was a landmark court ruling because it has never been used before in children.

Medical marijuana was and is the only thing to have ever, ever been used on my son that gave him the chance at a normal life. I beg everyone to write congress to get this passed federally. How many more children (and adults too) suffer with mental illness and have come to the end of the road....or what seems like the end of the road, when there could be a simple answer....MEDICAL MARIJUANA.

We now give Jeff the medicine in the form of capsules. It is a tedious process, but again, I would go to the ends of the earth for my son. My mother helps me make it every week for him. We grind up the marijuana in a coffee grinder, sift it, put it on the skillet for an hour with butter and water to cook it, then we spread it out in a big lasagna type pan and bake it in the oven to dry it back out to a powder so that we can put it into capsules. It takes over 5 hours to do the entire process. I would love to patent this process, but don't know how.

I have published a book, Jeffrey's Journey .  please email meThis e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it if you are interested!  

by Debbie Jeffries
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Re: Marijuana and the Treatment of an 8-year-old Child with Mult
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2009, 11:02:57 AM »
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Marijuana and the Treatment of an 8-year-old Child with Multiple Psychiatric Diagnoses
PR CannaZine (press release), UK - Sep 4, 2008

The psychiatric history of Debbie Jeffries' son suggests a complicated, multi- diagnosis developmental disorder.

Mrs. Jeffries, after learning about cannabis as a medicine and deciding that, given its limited toxicity, she had little to lose in exploring the possibility that it might be helpful to her son where other, more toxic medicines had failed.  The remarkable success she and her son achieved with marijuana is certain to generate controversy.

Home-grown cannabis is the safest option..no matter what anyone else tells you. Only then can you be sure of the purity and the clarity of what you are about to consume. Thinking of growing medical marijuana for the first time? Join us on the Canna Zine cannabis forums , and let us guide you and you'll save money too.

Jeff has been diagnosed with just about everything, starting from the age of 2, with: ADHD, PTSD, OCD, ODD (Oppositional Defiant Disorder), IED (Intermittent Explosive Disorder), CD (Conduct Disorder) Bi-polar disorder, etc.

Over 16 doctors have tried Jeff on every medication under the sun....adderall, carbamazepine, clonazapam, clonidine, depakote, dexedrine, guanficine, imipramine, melleril, neurontin, propranolol, risperdal, ritalin, seroquel, wellbutrin, zoloft, and zyprexa....and then combinations of these medications too.

NOTHING worked, and most had adverse side affects and reactions.

We also have tried numerous behavioral modifications, therapies, and governmental agencies that specialize in treatment of special needs kids, but to no avail.

In the beginning of Jan. 2000, he was placed into a residential facility for over a year (that was so hard for me to be away from him, unable to give him night-night kisses), and failed a level 12 program.

They were going to ship him to a Institution across the states and I told them "NO!” give me one more chance to try to get him straightened out before I have to give up on him.

They brought him home and we had social services in our home, around the clock, to help keep Jeff under control. In May, we had an emergency IEP because he was WAY out of control and a danger to students and teachers again at his special ed school for conduct disorder and emotionally disturbed children (now that is scary when they could not even handle him), and I was given 30 days to come up with a solution.

I had been studying the affects of marijuana since my students last year did a report for speech and debate. In it we had learned that it had been used dating back to the ancient years for mental disorder.

I then took on my own research and searched all articles I could find: doctors, groups, etc....and thought it just might work for my son too.

I contacted WAMM and Valerie Leveroni Corral (the Director) listened to me.

She asked me to send documents on Jeff, and then she put me in touch with a doctor who was a pediatric specialist, but also knew about medical marijuana. The only thing was that it had never been tested on children for mental illness, but he was willing to prescribe it for Jeff, uncertain if it would work or not. We set an appointment for the doctor to meet and see Jeff.

Let me note here, I have never used drugs and was very uneducated until my study on the positive affects medical marijuana has. It is natural, and does not harm my son's body, unlike all the other medications he had been on.)

Well, we first got the medication in the form of muffins.

Jeff had to eat a 1/4 of a muffin 2 times a day (as a starting point) and we were to adjust accordingly, under the doctors’ care, as with any other medication.

Within a 1/2 hour of ingesting, I had a new child, I kid you not. We were driving to school, and as I merged into a new lane of highway traffic, Jeff looked over at me and smiled, his grip loosened and he said, "Mommy, I feel happy, not angry, and my head doesn't feel like a traffic jam"!

Now that was profound coming from a 7 year old. That day at school his report home was wonderful, with no aggression and he was very compliant and re-directable.

May 21st was the first day of Jeff's life, literally! I now have an 8 year old son who is stabilizing on this his medical marijuana. Socially and emotionally Jeff is about 2 years old, but is progressing now. For the first time he is able to receive therapy to help him on issues. He is not aggressive, is able to follow directions (for the most part....he is only 8 *smile*) and is a fun, loving kid who also for the first time has friends. He had his very first Birthday party this fall, able to invite friends who actually came!

This is a miracle. Granted it will not "cure" everything, but again, it allows him to be able to participate in therapy. Being around him now, most of the time you would think he is just a typical child, not one who has had a life of hell, been over-medicated even so badly that he had to be admitted to the hospital to detox him, almost dying from the toxicity of the other medications the doc had him on.

Ironically, even after I was so upfront with Jeff's treatment, or even plans of starting him on the medical marijuana, social services gave me thumbs up with going forward on medical exploration. It wasn't for a month and a 1/2 later that they filed a report to CPS who took me to court with allegations of being an unfit mom because I was contributing marijuana to my child. Under Prop 215, here in CA, it is LEGAL to give medical marijuana to a patient who is severely ill. Jeff qualified as severely ill, nothing else had worked and I was about to lose him to an institution. Finally on December 4, it was ruled that I could continue giving my son his medical marijuana. It was a landmark court ruling because it has never been used before in children.

Medical marijuana was and is the only thing to have ever, ever been used on my son that gave him the chance at a normal life. I beg everyone to write congress to get this passed federally. How many more children (and adults too) suffer with mental illness and have come to the end of the road....or what seems like the end of the road, when there could be a simple answer....MEDICAL MARIJUANA.

We now give Jeff the medicine in the form of capsules. It is a tedious process, but again, I would go to the ends of the earth for my son. My mother helps me make it every week for him. We grind up the marijuana in a coffee grinder, sift it, put it on the skillet for an hour with butter and water to cook it, then we spread it out in a big lasagna type pan and bake it in the oven to dry it back out to a powder so that we can put it into capsules. It takes over 5 hours to do the entire process. I would love to patent this process, but don't know how.

I have published a book, Jeffrey's Journey .  please email meThis e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it if you are interested!  

by Debbie Jeffries

This is so sick. Maybe this kid was "socially and emotionally retarded" because you've been torturing him with medication and institutionalization since he “was two,” mom.. I'm just repulsed. Where's the proof the kid had any of the unverifiable personality defects they "diagnosed" him with?
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Re: Marijuana and the Treatment of an 8-year-old Child with Mult
« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2009, 11:30:27 AM »
zoloft, ritalin, prozac, pot.

It's all a crap shoot when it comes to psych meds.

Itll be interesting when the kid loses his train of thought and cant remember things any more..

oh wait... which med am I talking about here?


I forget.
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It'll be interesting when the kid loses his train of thought and cant remember things any more.

On a moderate constant dosage that wouldn't happen.  Side effects of the other three you mentioned are arguably far worse than even high doses of pot.
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« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2009, 12:02:45 PM »
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It'll be interesting when the kid loses his train of thought and cant remember things any more.

On a moderate constant dosage that wouldn't happen.  Side effects of the other three you mentioned are arguably far worse than even high doses of pot.


I can't possibly imagine the side effects of pot being anywhere near as hideous as the ritalin or tricyclics I had to take. Those made me psycho.


At least that's what the little man in my freezer tells me.
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« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2009, 12:28:14 PM »
this kid sounds alot like me. I had very similar problems growing up, had a very similar situation. I started smoking at 14, and just like the kid said, i felt happy, not angry, and the traffic jam in my head was gone. My mother thought i was self-medicating, so she insisted i go on a variety of different meds a variety of different doctors prescribed me. None of those meds helped, some made it worse, yet my mom was a full-fledged supporter of the psych meds, despite their ineffectiveness. I stopped taking them a few months in, and resumed smoking.....that was the only thing that helped. it was the only thing that made me functional and happy and able to concentrate and able to hold relationships. despite my improvement in grades from a C average to an A average during the short time i was smoking, My parents, thinking weed was a bad drug like crack, thought i was an addict and sent me away to a TBS.  There my bad behaviors and problems resumed, along with the psyche meds, my grades fell again, and i was miserable. i "faked it till i made it" in the program, and as soon as i got out, started smoking again (for a while due to the deadinsaneorinjail brainwashing, did so thinking i was a relapsing addict....ROFL). My parents gave up trying to stop me from smoking, and i continued to use weed to help me. At around the half-way point in my college career, when marijuana was finally gaining more medical and social acceptance in the mainstream media, they finally got off my back about the weed. now they accept it, support it, and finance it, because they know it helps me. I found myself a shrink that treats me while accepting and knowing that marijuana is the best treatment for my horrendously bad [now adult] ADD. As soon as my state (NY) legalizes medical mj, with my doctor's help i'll be one of the first in line to get a permit. As a matter of fact, when a recent medical MJ bill went through the state assembly, it had no provisions for marijuana for mental conditions/learning disabilities - only for cancer/aids/ms/glaucoma/etc. My doctor wrote out a huge letter, sent out to everyone from the governor down to city council members detailing his experiences with me and my treatment with MJ, and why they should consider adding a provision for those suffering from depression, add, and other assorted quality-of-life issues.


on another note, here's an article about a mother in rhode island who gives her 9-year old autistic son marijuana, under the direction of Lester Grinspoon (probably one of the most respected doctors in the world, first person to use lithium for bipolar, professor at harvard, one of the original players in the decrim/legalization movement).

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/jun/07/opinion/oe-lee7
http://www.doublex.com/section/health-s ... t?page=0,1
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« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2009, 02:34:52 PM »
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this kid sounds alot like me. I had very similar problems growing up, had a very similar situation. I started smoking at 14, and just like the kid said, i felt happy, not angry, and the traffic jam in my head was gone. My mother thought i was self-medicating, so she insisted i go on a variety of different meds a variety of different doctors prescribed me. None of those meds helped, some made it worse, yet my mom was a full-fledged supporter of the psych meds, despite their ineffectiveness. I stopped taking them a few months in, and resumed smoking.....that was the only thing that helped. it was the only thing that made me functional and happy and able to concentrate and able to hold relationships. despite my improvement in grades from a C average to an A average during the short time i was smoking, My parents, thinking weed was a bad drug like crack, thought i was an addict and sent me away to a TBS.  There my bad behaviors and problems resumed, along with the psyche meds, my grades fell again, and i was miserable. i "faked it till i made it" in the program, and as soon as i got out, started smoking again (for a while due to the deadinsaneorinjail brainwashing, did so thinking i was a relapsing addict....ROFL). My parents gave up trying to stop me from smoking, and i continued to use weed to help me. At around the half-way point in my college career, when marijuana was finally gaining more medical and social acceptance in the mainstream media, they finally got off my back about the weed. now they accept it, support it, and finance it, because they know it helps me. I found myself a shrink that treats me while accepting and knowing that marijuana is the best treatment for my horrendously bad [now adult] ADD. As soon as my state (NY) legalizes medical mj, with my doctor's help i'll be one of the first in line to get a permit. As a matter of fact, when a recent medical MJ bill went through the state assembly, it had no provisions for marijuana for mental conditions/learning disabilities - only for cancer/aids/ms/glaucoma/etc. My doctor wrote out a huge letter, sent out to everyone from the governor down to city council members detailing his experiences with me and my treatment with MJ, and why they should consider adding a provision for those suffering from depression, add, and other assorted quality-of-life issues.


on another note, here's an article about a mother in rhode island who gives her 9-year old autistic son marijuana, under the direction of Lester Grinspoon (probably one of the most respected doctors in the world, first person to use lithium for bipolar, professor at harvard, one of the original players in the decrim/legalization movement).

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/jun/07/opinion/oe-lee7
http://www.doublex.com/section/health-s ... t?page=0,1

Mommy buys your marijuana? You are a pathetic drug addict leeching off your gullible parents like good enablers. Your team of psychiatrists know this, but want your money. But really they laugh at you behind your back just like your Mom cries behind your back. Are you ready to stop ruining the lives of everyone around you and get sober finally?
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« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2009, 03:56:59 PM »
wow thats a really interesting story.

I really wish there were more studies done on the subject of marijuana and its medicinal effects, especially in children. Its definitely non-toxic and has no serious side effects, think of all the kids out there who could benefit from being taken off the dangerous prescription drugs and put on a natural substance...

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« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2009, 04:42:19 PM »
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Mommy buys your marijuana? You are a pathetic drug addict leeching off your gullible parents like good enablers. Your team of psychiatrists know this, but want your money. But really they laugh at you behind your back just like your Mom cries behind your back. Are you ready to stop ruining the lives of everyone around you and get sober finally?

nope. she doesnt buy it. when I did not have the means to do so myself, she gave me funds and a space to set up a grow room, given that i pay her back within five years, which i did, and that was eight years ago, i support myself entirely now. Parents gullible? nope. logical? yes. compassionate? yes. my team of psychiatrists? no team. just one guy, a very high-level professor at a well-known university in israel, and no, i dont pay him. some doctors actually follow the hypocratic oath, ya know, and some of those doctors take patients for free if it's a particular ground breaking unique case, in return for allowing tests. If anything, he's the one paying for me to see him, as he's flown me to spain, the netherlands, germany, and israel and had me stay in a fancy hotel for a week so that i can either smoke weed or be injected with cannabinoids and sit in an MRI all day. so money, no. scientific recognition, yes....but he got that recognition two years ago and he sent that letter out six months ago.

sober? i am sober. I take medication, i dont abuse drugs. I'm as sober as anyone on only ritalin or zoloft except in my case it's marijuana, and unless you're a mormon, that's sober.  Mom crying? nope. she actually smokes too on occasion now, although she is doing it recreationally by most standards....so does my dad, my sisters, my brothers, grandparents, cousins, most of my friends, my neighbors, my boss, my employees, pretty much everyone i know. I just happen to be the lucky one with a unique brain chemistry, doctor's approval, recipient of a blind eye from local law enforcement, and social approval to light up anytime and anywhere around town without getting dirty looks...so it's not just my mom thats the enabler, it's pretty much the entire town...around two thousand people. so, i dont know how i could be ruining lives any more than someone taking an antidepressant. If anything, i provide more social stability because i can support myself due to my medication, and i'm less of a liability, behaviorally speaking. People who have known me since i was a kid...most of the people who live in this town.....know what I was like before weed, what i'm like now, and what happens when i dont get my medication....so for the greater good, i'm allowed to have my medication, off record.
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« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2009, 08:21:13 PM »
Whoa, jews are even stranger than I thought!!
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« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2009, 09:05:04 PM »
what makes you think i'm jewish? because an israeli doctor researched me? because i get special treatment from local law enforcement? what an ignorant turd you are.

 i'm an episcopalian, born and raised. i go to church at least monthly. family is straight up white, one of my ancestors received a deed to fifty acres up here as a reward for fighting in the revolutionary war in the late 1700's, and my family has been living up here ever since. I dont even know any jews either, other than the people i met in israel. where i live in upstate NY, in the adirondacks, there are probably only a dozen permanent resident jews in the surrounding seventy five miles.....I might as well be in montana. The reason i was in israel is because the university of jerusalem has an extensive and highly advanced marijuana research program with much less red tape than they have in any other country. I contacted the doctor in charge years ago and explained my situation, and after some preliminary testing in downstate NY to confirm certain things i started traveling to get the other tests done. you dont need to be an israeli citizen, or even a jew, to be used as a test subject. nor do you need to be jewish to have jewish people help you. a doctor is a doctor and a patient is a patient regardless of geography, religion, or nationality.
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