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CARETY/ASTART/Tavistock
« on: August 31, 2008, 05:46:19 PM »
Allison Pinto, PhD, Assistant Professor, Louis de la Parte Florida Mental Health Institute, University of
 South Florida; Complexity Research & Development Specialist, Children's Board of Hillsborough County;
 Licensed Child & Adolescent Psychologist, Florida and California; Member, GREX; Associate, AKRI.

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Allison Pinto, PhD, Assistant Professor, Louis de la Parte Florida Mental Health Institute, University of
 South Florida; Complexity Research & Development Specialist, Children's Board of Hillsborough County;
 Licensed Child & Adolescent Psychologist, Florida and California; Member, GREX; Associate, AKRI.

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Re: CARETY/ASTART/Tavistock
« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2008, 08:19:36 PM »
This post confused me. Please elaborate.
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Re: CARETY/ASTART/Tavistock
« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2008, 04:58:05 PM »
Sorry, was trying to get a bitch box convo to spill over into fora. Didn't work.
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Re: CARETY/ASTART/Tavistock
« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2008, 06:36:42 PM »
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Sorry, was trying to get a bitch box convo to spill over into fora. Didn't work.
It's ok, just thought I was missing something....lol
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Tavistock
« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2008, 02:29:17 AM »
What was the convo?

    "Tavistock's pioneer work in behavioral science along Freudian lines of "controlling" humans established it as the world center of foundation ideology..." [/list]

    Tavistock: undercarriage for MKUltra, National Training Labs, think-tanks galore, and a whole New World Order!
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    Re: CARETY/ASTART/Tavistock
    « Reply #5 on: September 08, 2008, 04:48:19 PM »
    Yeah, like that. Allison Pinto is the head pshrink for ASTART and, I think, still affiliated with CAFETY.

    Which is perfectly consistent with their reform minded positions, as opposed to abolitionist. They just think the industry should be turned over to the pros, that's all.
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    Re: CARETY/ASTART/Tavistock
    « Reply #6 on: September 08, 2008, 05:17:44 PM »
    Hard data please...
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    Re: CAFETY/ASTART/Tavistock
    « Reply #7 on: September 09, 2008, 05:14:15 PM »
    Well... Allison Pinto is a member of GREX, which is the West Coast affiliate of A.K.Rice Institute for the Study of Social Systems, of which Pinto is also an associate (by virtue of her membership in GREX).

    From Grex's home page:
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    GREX Group Relations

    Grex is the West Coast regional affiliate of the A. K. Rice Institute for the study of social systems a national educational institution whose goal is to advance the study of social systems and the field of group relations. Through the outreach of its eight regional affiliates, the A. K. Rice Institute seeks to "deepen the understanding and the analysis of complex systemic psychodynamic and covert processes which give rise to non-rational behavior in individuals, groups, organizations, communities and nations" (http://www.akriceinstitute.org).

    The purpose of Grex, which is latin for "group," is to advance the study of group relations—"the dynamics of the group as a holistic system"—(hayden & molenkamp, 2003, p. 3) along the west coast of the united states. In order to accomplish this goal, we sponsor group relations conferences and training events as well as participating in scientific meetings and publishing research employing experiential theories and methods based on the tavistock tradition.

    AKRI is a direct descendant of the Tavistock Institute, Rice having been one of the earlier researchers at Tavistock. From the selected bibliography on the GREX site:

      Rice, A. K. (1958).
    Productivity and social organization: The Ahmedabad experiment. London: Tavistock Publications Limited.

    Rice, A. K. (1963). The enterprise and its environment. London: Tavistock Publications Limited.

    Rice, A. K. (1965). Learning for leadership. London: Tavistock Publications Limited.

    Rice, A. K. (1970). The modern university. London: Tavistock Publications Limited.[/list]

    Btw, for what it's worth, Tavistock figured prominently in the evolution of therapeutic communities. At the time, it was partly a means of being more cost effective, money being so tight after the war... 'Tis cheaper to treat folks as a group, and to have them do most of the treating themselves, than it is to focus therapeutic efforts on individuals...
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    Re: CARETY/ASTART/Tavistock
    « Reply #8 on: September 09, 2008, 06:29:34 PM »
    Whenever you start to see the light at the end of the tunnel, listen for a train whistle.
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    Re: CARETY/ASTART/Tavistock
    « Reply #9 on: September 10, 2008, 10:58:19 AM »
    Seems pretty circumstantial, but keep digging its quite interesting.
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    Re: CARETY/ASTART/Tavistock
    « Reply #10 on: September 10, 2008, 11:41:08 AM »
    Quote from: "Che Gookin"
    Seems pretty circumstantial...

    Which part?

      •  That Allison Pinto ascribes to Tavistockian principles and models of study?

        OR
      •  That Tavistock was involved in the creation of therapeutic communities back in the early-mid 1940s?
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    Re: CARETY/ASTART/Tavistock
    « Reply #11 on: July 24, 2010, 05:08:25 AM »
    Ursus, all of the above.
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