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Re: TheWho Begs Psy to Out Ajax for AARC Lawsuit!
« Reply #15 on: August 19, 2008, 09:38:53 AM »
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It's much more effective when you engage people, pose questions and have them think and find answers on their own. It's a new concept called critical thinking. You might want to look into it.
No its not it is called spreading lies, but nice try.  People don’t spread lies about others, trying to be hurtful, just to challenge others on their critical thinking skills.

Think about it (no dig/pun intended)



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Re: TheWho Begs Psy to Out Ajax for AARC Lawsuit!
« Reply #16 on: August 19, 2008, 09:40:52 AM »
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No its not it is called spreading lies, but nice try.

He's not lying.


 
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People don’t spread lies about others, trying to be hurtful, just to challenge others on their critical thinking skills.

He's not lying.
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Re: TheWho Begs Psy to Out Ajax for AARC Lawsuit!
« Reply #17 on: August 19, 2008, 09:54:37 AM »
again, read back and you will see that you are wrong.  It was intentional lies on Ajax's part.  Its all documented here.



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Re: TheWho Begs Psy to Out Ajax for AARC Lawsuit!
« Reply #18 on: August 19, 2008, 10:00:45 AM »
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again, read back and you will see that you are wrong.  It was intentional lies on Ajax's part.  Its all documented here.



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I'll be glad to read it as soon as you link to it.
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Re: TheWho Begs Psy to Out Ajax for AARC Lawsuit!
« Reply #19 on: August 19, 2008, 10:07:07 AM »
Well lets step back a little.......Ajax's Question about the union institute being accredited.  Instead of posting for several weeks that it was not accredited and then challenging people to prove it was and when it was.  He could have just called the institute and gotten the answer he needed and saved himselve weeks of inquiries.  The same with the statistical questions.  He could have contacted Hazelden or a local university that teaches stats to get answers to his questions instead of spreading false information.  Then on top of that making medical diagnosis on people who work there?  It is very bazaar behavior to say the least.  Many of us tried to point him in the right direction for his answers and tried to answer them ourselves.  But each time we did he made up more lies.  If I was AARC I would want to know who this person is also.  All of us would if it were you he was talking about.
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Re: TheWho Begs Psy to Out Ajax for AARC Lawsuit!
« Reply #20 on: August 19, 2008, 10:11:48 AM »
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Well lets step back a little.......Ajax's Question about the union institute being accredited.  Instead of posting for several weeks that it was not accredited and then challenging people to prove it was and when it was.  He could have just called the institute and gotten the answer he needed and saved himselve weeks of inquiries.  The same with the statistical questions.  He could have contacted Hazelden or a local university that teaches stats to get answers to his questions instead of spreading false information.  Then on top of that making medical diagnosis on people who work there?  It is very bazaar behavior to say the least.  Many of us tried to point him in the right direction for his answers and tried to answer them ourselves.  But each time we did he made up more lies.  If I was AARC I would want to know who this person is also.  All of us would if it were you he was talking about.


Links to said posts please.  "We" aren't going to just take your word on what Ajax did or didn't do or say.  You're not exactly credible.
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Re: TheWho Begs Psy to Out Ajax for AARC Lawsuit!
« Reply #21 on: August 19, 2008, 10:13:18 AM »
I'll make it easy for you.  What, specifically, did Ajax lie about?  Again, please provide links for said lies, not just your interpretation or paraphrasing......his actual words.
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Re: TheWho Begs Psy to Out Ajax for AARC Lawsuit!
« Reply #22 on: August 19, 2008, 10:16:08 AM »
Quote from: "A mom"

Parent of a recent aarc graduate here.

Never heard "get honest" in the real world, but it's coined a lot in AARC.

AARC has dealings with a REAL psychiatrist. AARC will mention this person's name if they are queried on professionals within their organization. I spoke to her. This person is not on staff and is NOT in contact with the clients. She will "consult with the clinical staff" if it's requested. This is a consultation only, based on information provided by AARC staff, the psychiatrist does NOT interview or examine the client.

Despite my son's history and previous involvement with a psychiatrist, this psychiatrist had never heard of my son, certainly never treated him and was surprised to hear of many incidents I described that, due to their nature, should have been brought to her attention, but weren't.  

My client child also believed AARC, specifically Dean Vause, was his legal guardian. He was not.

He believed "Doc Vause" was a medical doctor, a psychiatrist. He is not.

He believed Peter Choate was a psychiatrist or at least a psychologist. He is not. But Choate did give him a short quiz AFTER he was already a client at AARC, which according to them, confirmed his status as an addict.

This "quiz" along with information provided by AARC and no one else constituted the "independent, outside evaluation" that was explained to me to be conducted on my son. I fail to believe that Choate is entirely independent or outside of the AARC program.  

He believed the doctor he visited (Dr. Alan Stanhope) had no previous or current connection to the AARC program despite the fact that this doctor is the only doctor to examine clients (they are not permitted to see their OWN physicians), is quoted several times on the AARC website, is a former board member, not to mention being married to the provincial youth court judge who ordered my son into the program in the first place and then kept him there as a minor without parental consent which was required to get him in there in the first place.

This husband and wife doctor/judge team also attended his graduation ceremony at AARC, as AARC appointed 'guests'.

He believed his lawyer had no connection to the AARC program and was simply a referral despite the fact that the clinical staff later revealed that this lawyer is a part of the AARC's "legal committee" and in spite of the fact that this lawyer was spotted sitting with the executive director of AARC, Dean Vause, in box seats at a Calgary Hitmen/Swift Current Bronco's playoff game.

I provided a wrapped Christmas present for my son, a dress shirt, along with a stocking full of toiletries that complied with "client rules". A staff member gave him this shirt and claimed it was HIS OWN and my son could have it. The contents of the stocking were later given to him too (sans stocking) with no mention that it came from his family.  

He believed I abandoned him, and didn't care if he lived or died. He knew nothing of the numerous times I tried to remain in contact with him, but was unlawfully denied access to my own child for almost an entire YEAR!

He knew nothing of the fact that his autistic brother could not participate in the AARC program. Or that lack of participation meant he had to be removed from our household for me to remain in AARC and remain in contact with him. Despite the fact that there was no where for his brother to go, including AARC's suggestion that he be placed into the custody of Child Welfare even though he is safe and well cared for with his family.

He progressively grew to hate me, knew nothing of the torment his brother and I went through over the holidays and birthdays and each and every day we knew nothing of his whereabouts or well being.

Worst of all he grew to believe he was an addict, and an alcoholic.

His real problems and mental health issues that needed professional help were never addressed and he was treated for problems he had to THEN CREATE to ever get out of the program.

Don't even talk to me about "lies"!!!!!

Anything else you'd like first hand information on?
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Re: TheWho Begs Psy to Out Ajax for AARC Lawsuit!
« Reply #23 on: August 19, 2008, 03:39:51 PM »
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You people suggesting he call AARC for the answers to his questions CANNOT be serious!!!!  You really believe they'd admit to the shit that goes on in there?  ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Just like all the HRS inspections of Straight and Newton.  Kids reported abuse, HRS "investigated" (asked Newton if he did anything wrong), believed whatever the good "Dr." told them and then the kids who called HRS were severely punished for their transgression of questioning the program and its leader.


Your name should be Duhh...what - Vinny was saying that there weer no Social Workers, Psychiatrists or Psychologists working at AARC. UHM . .  einstein. He could call there like any other person doing inquiries on a place and ask for names and credentials of people who work with the clients. Pretty freaking simple and WHY the Hell wouldn' AARC supply the information to him just like anyont else they would supply to when they get inquiries about their treatment centre.
What the hell does that have to do with Miller-Newton, too. You idiots are really cut from the same cloth no wonder treatment doesn't work for ya  . . . .  professionals can't really help someone who is technical brain dead.
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