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The Guinea Pig Ranch
« on: August 07, 2008, 12:35:50 PM »
AARC now claims that their program was based on the Wiz's research for his PhD.  As AARC opened in 1992, and the Wiz did not complete his PhD until 1994, this claim is problematic to say the least.  It would seem that the Wiz was performing research using AARC prisoners as experimentation subjects.

Here's what AARC says about this:
"AARC can provide leading edge foundation for adolescent chemical dependency research and treatment methodology."
http://www.aarc.ab.ca/AARCs_role_in_treatment.html

I have not yet encountered a former AARC prisoner who was aware that they were being used as research subjects.  This is against international law:

The Nuremberg Code (1947)
Permissible Medical Experiments
The great weight of the evidence before us to effect that certain types of medical experiments on human beings, when kept within reasonably well-defined bounds, conform to the ethics of the medical profession generally. The protagonists of the practice of human experimentation justify their views on the basis that such experiments yield results for the good of society that are unprocurable by other methods or means of study. All agree, however, that certain basic principles must be observed in order to satisfy moral, ethical and legal concepts:

1 The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential. This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, overreaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision. This latter element requires that before the acceptance of an affirmative decision by the experimental subject there should be made known to him the nature, duration, and purpose of the experiment; the method and means by which it is to be conducted; all inconveniences and hazards reasonably to be expected; and the effects upon his health or person which may possibly come from his participation in the experiment.
The duty and responsibility for ascertaining the quality of the consent rests upon each individual who initiates, directs, or engages in the experiment. It is a personal duty and responsibility which may not be delegated to another with impunity.
2 The experiment should be such as to yield fruitful results for the good of society, unprocurable by other methods or means of study, and not random and unnecessary in nature.
3 The experiment should be so designed and based on the results of animal experimentation and a knowledge of the natural history of the disease or other problem under study that the anticipated results justify the performance of the experiment.
4 The experiment should be so conducted as to avoid all unnecessary physical and mental suffering and injury. 
5 No experiment should be conducted where there is an a priori reason to believe that death or disabling injury will occur; except, perhaps, in those experiments where the experimental physicians also serve as subjects.
6  The degree of risk to be taken should never exceed that determined by the humanitarian importance of the problem to be solved by the experiment.
7 Proper preparations should be made and adequate facilities provided to protect the experimental subject against even remote possibilities of injury, disability or death.
8 The experiment should be conducted only by scientifically qualified persons. The highest degree of skill and care should be required through all stages of the experiment of those who conduct or engage in the experiment.
9 During the course of the experiment the human subject should be at liberty to bring the experiment to an end if he has reached the physical or mental state where continuation of the experiment seems to him to be impossible.
10 During the course of the experiment the scientist in charge must be prepared to terminate the experiment at any stage, if he has probable cause to believe, in the exercise of the good faith, superior skill and careful judgment required of him, that a continuation of the experiment is likely to result in injury, disability, or death to the experimental subject.

See 1,4,6,10.
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Re: The Guinea Pig Ranch
« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2008, 12:40:08 PM »
Quote from: "ajax13"
AARC now claims that their program was based on the Wiz's research for his PhD.  As AARC opened in 1992, and the Wiz did not complete his PhD until 1994, this claim is problematic to say the least.  It would seem that the Wiz was performing research using AARC prisoners as experimentation subjects.

Here's what AARC says about this:
"AARC can provide leading edge foundation for adolescent chemical dependency research and treatment methodology."
http://www.aarc.ab.ca/AARCs_role_in_treatment.html

I have not yet encountered a former AARC prisoner who was aware that they were being used as research subjects.  This is against international law:

The Nuremberg Code (1947)
Permissible Medical Experiments
The great weight of the evidence before us to effect that certain types of medical experiments on human beings, when kept within reasonably well-defined bounds, conform to the ethics of the medical profession generally. The protagonists of the practice of human experimentation justify their views on the basis that such experiments yield results for the good of society that are unprocurable by other methods or means of study. All agree, however, that certain basic principles must be observed in order to satisfy moral, ethical and legal concepts:

1 The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential. This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, overreaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision. This latter element requires that before the acceptance of an affirmative decision by the experimental subject there should be made known to him the nature, duration, and purpose of the experiment; the method and means by which it is to be conducted; all inconveniences and hazards reasonably to be expected; and the effects upon his health or person which may possibly come from his participation in the experiment.
The duty and responsibility for ascertaining the quality of the consent rests upon each individual who initiates, directs, or engages in the experiment. It is a personal duty and responsibility which may not be delegated to another with impunity.
2 The experiment should be such as to yield fruitful results for the good of society, unprocurable by other methods or means of study, and not random and unnecessary in nature.
3 The experiment should be so designed and based on the results of animal experimentation and a knowledge of the natural history of the disease or other problem under study that the anticipated results justify the performance of the experiment.
4 The experiment should be so conducted as to avoid all unnecessary physical and mental suffering and injury. 
5 No experiment should be conducted where there is an a priori reason to believe that death or disabling injury will occur; except, perhaps, in those experiments where the experimental physicians also serve as subjects.
6  The degree of risk to be taken should never exceed that determined by the humanitarian importance of the problem to be solved by the experiment.
7 Proper preparations should be made and adequate facilities provided to protect the experimental subject against even remote possibilities of injury, disability or death.
8 The experiment should be conducted only by scientifically qualified persons. The highest degree of skill and care should be required through all stages of the experiment of those who conduct or engage in the experiment.
9 During the course of the experiment the human subject should be at liberty to bring the experiment to an end if he has reached the physical or mental state where continuation of the experiment seems to him to be impossible.
10 During the course of the experiment the scientist in charge must be prepared to terminate the experiment at any stage, if he has probable cause to believe, in the exercise of the good faith, superior skill and careful judgment required of him, that a continuation of the experiment is likely to result in injury, disability, or death to the experimental subject.

See 1,4,6,10.




Same thing with the Seed and Straight.  At first in the Seed, *clients* had to actually sign a form saying that they 'understood that they would be participating in a government funded medical experiment'.  Until Sam Ervin investigated and found the techniques they were using were the same as what the Koreans had used on our POWs for thought reform, i.e. brainwashing. 

Scary shit, the history of this place.
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Re: The Guinea Pig Ranch
« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2008, 04:34:56 PM »
Few former prisoners to whom I have spoken were aware of AARC's lineage stretching back to the Seed.
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MR. NELSON: Mr. Speaker, AADAC has been involved with
assistance in developing the program of the Alberta Adolescent
Recovery Centre since its inception originally as Kids of the
Canadian West."
Alberta Hansard, March 24, 1992

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« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2008, 05:11:01 PM »
In the original post I believe you confused the word "Research" with "Experimentation".

One can conduct research on people or groups of people without performing experiments on them.



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« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2008, 05:34:17 PM »
I don't believe I confused anything.  The program, according to AARC, is based on the research for the PdE written by Vause.  It is thus experimental.  I'm not in a B Mod program like AARC, so I'll thank you if you don't tell me what my thought processes are.
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"AARC will go on serving youth and families as long as it will be needed, if it keeps open to God for inspiration" Dr. F. Dean Vause Executive Director


MR. NELSON: Mr. Speaker, AADAC has been involved with
assistance in developing the program of the Alberta Adolescent
Recovery Centre since its inception originally as Kids of the
Canadian West."
Alberta Hansard, March 24, 1992

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Re: The Guinea Pig Ranch
« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2008, 06:22:49 PM »
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I don't believe I confused anything.  The program, according to AARC, is based on the research for the PdE written by Vause.  It is thus experimental.  I'm not in a B Mod program like AARC, so I'll thank you if you don't tell me what my thought processes are.

But there is no indication that experiments were performed on anyone.  People do research/collect data on existing programs all the time.  There is no need to get anyones consent for that.  The outcome study was research performed, but there didnt seem to be any indication of experiments being done, just observation of existing data and questionnaire feedback.



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Re: The Guinea Pig Ranch
« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2008, 06:34:52 PM »
You're avoiding addressing the fact that the program was opened prior to the PdE being completed, and since the subject of the PdE is AARC and the methods used therein, the methods used are experimental.
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MR. NELSON: Mr. Speaker, AADAC has been involved with
assistance in developing the program of the Alberta Adolescent
Recovery Centre since its inception originally as Kids of the
Canadian West."
Alberta Hansard, March 24, 1992

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Re: The Guinea Pig Ranch
« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2008, 06:43:08 PM »
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You're avoiding addressing the fact that the program was opened prior to the PdE being completed, and since the subject of the PdE is AARC and the methods used therein, the methods used are experimental.

Not neccessarily, the program was up and running, defined and yielding results prior to the Phd which says 2 things:

1. The programs was not experimental, but in actual use
2. The program was running fine prior to the mans PhD, so the degree was never needed to begin with, it was something he wanted to do besides play golf.


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« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2008, 06:48:27 PM »
I don't know that the Wiz could have afforded to play much golf, what with is just having slid out from under his complicity in Kids, but if you feel that golf has some bearing on this issue, I can't argue with you.  The program was most certainly not defined if, as is claimed, it is based on the PdE which was written after the program opened.  Unless of course time travel is in the Wizard's repertoire along with treating the deadly disease of marijuana addiction.
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MR. NELSON: Mr. Speaker, AADAC has been involved with
assistance in developing the program of the Alberta Adolescent
Recovery Centre since its inception originally as Kids of the
Canadian West."
Alberta Hansard, March 24, 1992

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Re: The Guinea Pig Ranch
« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2008, 06:58:27 PM »
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I don't know that the Wiz could have afforded to play much golf, what with is just having slid out from under his complicity in Kids, but if you feel that golf has some bearing on this issue, I can't argue with you.  The program was most certainly not defined if, as is claimed, it is based on the PdE which was written after the program opened.  Unless of course time travel is in the Wizard's repertoire along with treating the deadly disease of marijuana addiction.

I am sure the present program is defined by his work towards his PhD.  Hopefully the program he has today is not the same as he had in '92.  You need a cycle of continuous improvement in order to be successful.  The study shows a 85% success rate today but I will bet that they are working to improve it and move it up to 90/95% which would entail improving the process.

So he had a working process in place prior to his PhD and a better process since his PhD.




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« Reply #10 on: August 07, 2008, 07:02:30 PM »
You are sure, you hope, and you bet, but you provide no evidence whatsoever.  I don't know what AARC's 85% success rate means, but I know that a minimum of 52% of clients involved in their study relapsed.  I also know that at least three of their less than four hundred grads are accused in murder cases, and at least two have committed suicide in police custody.  Neither you nor I have any idea that he had a working process in place, and equally we have no idea that he has a better process since his PhD.  You simply made that up. 
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MR. NELSON: Mr. Speaker, AADAC has been involved with
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Recovery Centre since its inception originally as Kids of the
Canadian West."
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« Reply #11 on: August 07, 2008, 09:20:49 PM »
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I don't know what AARC's 85% success rate means
Because either you haven’t read the report or do not understand it.
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but I know that a minimum of 52% of clients involved in their study relapsed.
Yes they have but after 4 years 85 % are still living a clean and sober life.  The majority of people relapse on their way to or during recovery.  Recovery is a life long journey.

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I also know that at least three of their less than four hundred grads are accused in murder cases, and at least two have committed suicide in police custody.
And this is some how attributed to AARC?  If the less than 400 did not attend AARC would that number be significantly higher?

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Neither you nor I have any idea that he had a working process in place,

Sure we do, we just dont know what their success rate was during that time.

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we have no idea that he has a better process since his PhD

Well if he didn’t then he went from a 90%+ success rate down to the 85% success rate they are experiencing today.

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You simply made that up.
Speculation
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« Reply #12 on: August 07, 2008, 09:33:29 PM »
You are entirely correct.  I do not understand the reported 85% success rate.   If the former prisoners have relapsed, I fail to see how the word "still" applies to their living a clean and living a sober life.  Still implies continuity.  A relapse is in fact quite the opposite of continued sobriety.  Did you perhaps not grasp the significance of suicide and incarceration in an assesment of "personal and social functioning"?  As for you making up the 90% success rate decreasing to 85%, you most certainly did make that up.
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MR. NELSON: Mr. Speaker, AADAC has been involved with
assistance in developing the program of the Alberta Adolescent
Recovery Centre since its inception originally as Kids of the
Canadian West."
Alberta Hansard, March 24, 1992

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« Reply #13 on: August 07, 2008, 10:07:59 PM »
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You are entirely correct.  I do not understand the reported 85% success rate.   
Take another look:
Table 2 Longest period of continuous sobriety of interviewed graduates, maintained by time since graduation
Time since graduation   One month   Six months   Twelve months or more
One year or less (n=29)   0%   6.9%   93.1%
Two to three years (n=42)   2.49%   4.8%   92.9%
Four or more years (n=14)   0%   14.3%   85.7%

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Did you perhaps not grasp the significance of suicide and incarceration in an assesment of "personal and social functioning"?
I understood it.  But did you?
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As for you making up the 90% success rate decreasing to 85%, you most certainly did make that up.
Let me rephrase for you.
If the success rate was below 85% prior to Vause receiving his PhD then the rate would have increased subsequent to the degree.  If the success rate was above 85% (90, 95%) then the rate dropped subsequent to Vause receiving his PhD to level out at 85%.
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« Reply #14 on: August 07, 2008, 10:39:59 PM »
What is sucess at AARC?  As far as I know, it's going back to work or school, and rejoining the family, which every single client does on level 3, while they are still incarcerated.  Beyond that, a minimum of 52% of graduates in the study began  using drugs or alcohol again after leaving AARC.  No data was given in the study with regard to how many of the graduates in the study killed themselves, or were incarcerated subsequent to their captivity in AARC.
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MR. NELSON: Mr. Speaker, AADAC has been involved with
assistance in developing the program of the Alberta Adolescent
Recovery Centre since its inception originally as Kids of the
Canadian West."
Alberta Hansard, March 24, 1992