MIA

[TheWho]

So.  15% of total sample population did not take part in the study.  52% relapsed after an average time out of AARC of two years, three months.

Yes, 85% participated.  But you have not produced evidence of your relapse figure.  Can you give us a link to the table which supports that?  Why wouldnt you want to do that?



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[ajax13]

The study incorporated data from 96 former clients, in spite of the fact that only 85 of the sample group took part.  52% of the former clients in the study had relapsed.  To see this, and any other data relevant to the study, I would suggest reading the study, which can be found in this forum.

[TheWho]

The study incorporated data from 96 former clients, in spite of the fact that only 85 of the sample group took part.  52% of the former clients in the study had relapsed.  To see this, and any other data relevant to the study, I would suggest reading the study, which can be found in this forum.

All I am asking is that you show us the table where that was determined. 
I am providing the source of my conclusions.  for some reason you are afraid to produce your table.
Here what we have so far:

Take another look:
Table 2 Longest period of continuous sobriety of interviewed graduates, maintained by time since graduation
Time since graduation   One month   Six months   Twelve months or more
One year or less (n=29)   0%   6.9%   93.1%
Two to three years (n=42)   2.49%   4.8%   92.9%
Four or more years (n=14)   0%   14.3%   85.7%

85% of the grads are sober after 4 years and
93% are sober after their first 12 months after graduating.

Lets add your table and take a look.

[ajax13]

Again, I strongly suggest that anyone interested in the 2005 AARC study read this study.  The fact that data was included from 96 former prisoners when only 85 former prisoners took part in the study is remarkable.  That and the fact that 52% of former clients in the study had relapsed after an average time out of AARC of 2 years 3 months. 

[TheWho]

Again, I strongly suggest that anyone interested in the 2005 AARC study read this study.  The fact that data was included from 96 former prisoners when only 85 former prisoners took part in the study is remarkable.  That and the fact that 52% of former clients in the study had relapsed after an average time out of AARC of 2 years 3 months. 

Ajax,  Why wont you provide the table for us?

[Anonymous]

BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHA...

Oh god I just realized something.

I think Ajax is getting that 52% from advanced statistical theory of norms and averages, which you cannot possibly hope to comprehend. He might be making it up. Who's to say? He is, however, far more trustworthy than any programmie so his numbers are to be taken more seriously.

What I'm laughing at is "longest period of continuous sobriety". Do you have any idea what that means?

This means if someone was absolutely smashed for six straight months after being released from AARC, managed to stay sober for a year, then fell off the fucking wagon and is blown out of his mind on vodka and PCP, he was sober a year, so THAT COUNTS as far as this "study" is concerned.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA....

[Anonymous]

Again, I strongly suggest that anyone interested in the 2005 AARC study read this study.  The fact that data was included from 96 former prisoners when only 85 former prisoners took part in the study is remarkable.  That and the fact that 52% of former clients in the study had relapsed after an average time out of AARC of 2 years 3 months. 

Ajax,  Why wont you provide the table for us?

Who, wake up!!  ajax is pulling your chain.  If he had the info he would post it. 

[ajax13]

I am as astounded by the 52% ackowledged rate of relapse for a group that had been graduated for an average of 2 years 3 months as you are.  I was equally astounded to see that the study included data from former prisoners who did not even take part in the study.  Even moreso, I was astounded to see the sample group broken down even further with no mention as to the correlated reduction in statistical reliability for small groups.  It's all just too much!

[TheWho]

Again, I strongly suggest that anyone interested in the 2005 AARC study read this study.  The fact that data was included from 96 former prisoners when only 85 former prisoners took part in the study is remarkable.  That and the fact that 52% of former clients in the study had relapsed after an average time out of AARC of 2 years 3 months. 

Ajax,  Why wont you provide the table for us?

Who, wake up!!  ajax is pulling your chain.  If he had the info he would post it.

 

Yeah, I guess you are right.   Then how does he expect everyone to believe he is telling the truth about his girlfriend?  Kind of tosses it all up for question.  I am a little gullible in believing alot of this stuff I guess.



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[ajax13]

Who, if you don't believe her, we may all cease to exist.  Ever since I met her, my wife has said to me every now and again, "I hope that some stranger from another country who feels compelled to post in an internet forum regarding a program with which he has no personal connection whatsoever, and without providing any factual evidence that contradicts the claims of those who want the place closed, believes my accountof my time in All About Receiving Cash."  Brings a tear to my eye every time I hear it.
If the Who doesn't believe her, it won't matter that the program she was in began as a branch of the disgraced Kids program.  It won't matter that the Executive Director of said program has been the head of the program since it was created, and that he worked for eighteen months in Kids.  People are likely to doubt anything she says now that the Who feels that he has been had by...sorry Who, who did you say had made you feel gullible?  It's vital to all of us reading and posting here that you don't feel that way!

[TheWho]

Who, if you don't believe her, we may all cease to exist.  Ever since I met her, my wife has said to me every now and again, "I hope that some stranger from another country who feels compelled to post in an internet forum regarding a program with which he has no personal connection whatsoever, and without providing any factual evidence that contradicts the claims of those who want the place closed, believes my accountof my time in All About Receiving Cash."  Brings a tear to my eye every time I hear it.
If the Who doesn't believe her, it won't matter that the program she was in began as a branch of the disgraced Kids program.  It won't matter that the Executive Director of said program has been the head of the program since it was created, and that he worked for eighteen months in Kids.  People are likely to doubt anything she says now that the Who feels that he has been had by...sorry Who, who did you say had made you feel gullible?  It's vital to all of us reading and posting here that you don't feel that way!

sorry ajax, you are a liar and it is all in your mind your wife can be a beautiful woman or a crack whore.  What is it today?  Crack whore?  You just make it up as you go along.
Sorry for you buddy!!



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[ajax13]

Did you at some point Who get the impression that in any way I was interested in how you felt about me?  Have you obsessed about me to the point that you are projecting some type of role-playing between me and my wife to which you aspire?  Have your fantasies begun to spill over into your perception of reality?  There are treatments available for these kinds of mental disturbances, Who.