While You Were Sleeping

[TheWho]

Yanno, nowadays online schools are relatively common and actually decent.  When Vause and Newton, ahem..."attended" (that cracks me up) things weren't the way they are now.  Union was fairly universally known to be a diploma mill.  Point being, Vause tries to pass himself off as something he's not.  In fact, he tries to pass himself off as MANY things that he is not.  Pretty common behavior for guru-status addicts.

 

“Attended” is kind of a joke when it comes to Doctorates degrees.  You walk around any university and you would be hard pressed to find any PhD candidate.  They pretty much don’t attend school.  They live 24/7 in a hospital if they are going after a medical or living in the rain forest if they are researching Biology etc. So attendance doesn’t apply at this level.
But if he received his degree prior to ’97 then, yes, it was unaccredited but I would give the graduates a pass if it was ’96 because it takes years to get things in place for accreditation and they were probably pretty much there and going thru review in ’96.

[Anonymous]

Union was fairly universally known to be a diploma mill. Point being, Vause tries to pass himself off as something he's not. In fact, he tries to pass himself off as MANY things that he is not. Pretty common behavior for guru-status addicts.

[TheWho]

Union was fairly universally known to be a diploma mill. Point being, Vause tries to pass himself off as something he's not. In fact, he tries to pass himself off as MANY things that he is not. Pretty common behavior for guru-status addicts.

First, people should start getting the word out that is is not a paper mill and hasnt been since at least 1997. His degrees are solid from what I can see.  Secondly, If he is trying to pass himself off as something he is not then people should say something.  Our society is very strict and with the use of the internet/information background checks are done every day, very easily, so people cannot get away with impersonations very easily.

[ajax13]

Solid.  You seem to like that term.  It doesn't really entail anything specific, thus it works great for a description of either an AARC study, or a mail-order PhD.

[Anne Bonney]

Union was fairly universally known to be a diploma mill. Point being, Vause tries to pass himself off as something he's not. In fact, he tries to pass himself off as MANY things that he is not. Pretty common behavior for guru-status addicts.

First, people should start getting the word out that is is not a paper mill and hasnt been since at least 1997. His degrees are solid from what I can see.  Secondly, If he is trying to pass himself off as something he is not then people should say something.  Our society is very strict and with the use of the internet/information background checks are done every day, very easily, so people cannot get away with impersonations very easily.

Oh my little naive one.  Miller Newton (Vause's mentor and inspiration for AARC) passed himself off for years as many things he had no business claiming.  As a matter of fact, right now he's technically a "priest" and legally he's correct.  Like Vause, he found some obscure sect (or, *cough* "university") that would ordain him, paid enough money, stroked enough egos and Waa Laa.   He's a "priest"......still counseling kids (thank you GW and your faith-based bullshit).  After EVERY SINGLE ONE of his programs was closed because of abuse.  Now,..... the thousands of kids he's abused over the years would object to that, most especially the ones who were awarded multiple millions in judgements against Newton for the abuses he and his program inflicted on them.  Hell, almost anyone can hang out a shingle as some type of 'counselor' anymore.   Especially kids because they have no due process and generally have no rights.

Yes, anyone can get a title.  The key factor is to look beyond and behind it.  If you look at Vause's history, he virtually walked in Newton's path.  AARC is virtually a carbon copy of KIDS and Straight.  What is boils down to is qualified care for what's being advertised.  Vause/AARC claim to be a "treatment center", claim the credentials that he does, then they can and should be held up to scrutiny.  If anyone can show me how the methodology and philosophy of AARC is demonstrably or pertinently differs from KIDS and Striaght, I'd sure like to see it.  Cuz everything I've seen and read, mostly from AARC's own literature or correspondence, is pretty much an exact repeat of the Newtonian origin.

[TheWho]

Like Vause, he found some obscure sect (or, *cough* "university")

This is why many people dont believe what is written here.  You dont fully understand what a sect or cult is, you even feel schools and Universities are sects and cults.  If you ever have a chance to attend a University you will see that they are just the opposite.  They teach people how to think independently and work to have people think more "out of the box" creatively.

[TheWho]

Like Vause, he found some obscure sect (or, *cough* "university")

This is why many people dont believe what is written here.  You dont fully understand what a sect or cult is, you even feel schools and Universities are sects and cults.  If you ever have a chance to attend a University you will see that they are just the opposite.  They teach people how to think independently and work to have people think more "out of the box" creatively.

This may help Anne Bonney.  The word has lost much of its meaning.  Seems everything is branded a cult now a days if people dont like it ot have a beef with the owner or staff member.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult

[ajax13]

Studies of religious, political, and other cults have identified a number of key steps in this type of coercive persuasion:[25]

"1 People are put in physically or emotionally distressing situations;"
Intake, Raps, Zero Club, Recovery Homes
"2 Their problems are reduced to one simple explanation, which is repeatedly emphasized;"
Addiction
"3 They receive unconditional love, acceptance, and attention from a charismatic leader;"
The Wiz
"4 They get a new identity based on the group;"
"Colin A 'AARC has saved my life and shown me how to live.' "
"Lindsey E ' I now work at AARC and my life is amazing.”
"Richelle H ' “AARC has given me a new way of life I never dreamed of."
http://www.aarc.ab.ca/successes.html
"5 They are subject to entrapment (isolation from friends, relatives, and the mainstream culture) and their access to information is severely controlled"
All of Level 1

[Ursus]

From:  Encyclopedia of Sociology Volume 1, Macmillan Publishing Company, New York. Quoted portion by Richard J. Ofshe, Ph.D.
http://www.rickross.com/reference/brain ... hing8.html

Coercive Persuasion and Attitude Change[/size]

Coercive persuasion and thought reform are alternate names for programs of social influence capable of producing substantial behavior and attitude change through the use of coercive tactics, persuasion, and/or interpersonal and group-based influence manipulations (Schein 1961; Lifton 1961). Such programs have also been labeled "brainwashing" (Hunter 1951), a term more often used in the media than in scientific literature. However identified, these programs are distinguishable from other elaborate attempts to influence behavior and attitudes, to socialize, and to accomplish social control. Their distinguishing features are their totalistic qualities (Lifton 1961), the types of influence procedures they employ, and the organization of these procedures into three distinctive subphases of the overall process (Schein 1961; Ofshe and Singer 1986). The key factors that distinguish coercive persuasion from other training and socialization schemes are:

   1. The reliance on intense interpersonal and psychological attack to destabilize an individual's sense of self to promote compliance

   2. The use of an organized peer group

   3. Applying interpersonal pressure to promote conformity

   4. The manipulation of the totality of the person's social environment to stabilize behavior once modified

Johnathan MargaretC might do well to read further in the link provided above...

[psy]

Or read "Cults in Our Midst" by Margaret Thaler Singer.

@Margaret: I don't think Anne Bonnie was referring to universities as cults.  I think she was, rather, implying something about the legitimacy of Miller's credentials and any university that would accept him (or somebody like him) into, or grant him any position or degree of authority.

[psy]

Our society is very strict and with the use of the internet/information background checks are done every day, very easily, so people cannot get away with impersonations very easily.

Implying his employer (who would do the backround checking) gives a shit, of course.  What about misrepresentations to the public?  I'm not sure about Canada, but in the United states, just any member of the public can't run a background check on any other member of the public (even internet services require you have the person's social security number and that you be an employer).