While You Were Sleeping

[ajax13]

Nothing so far to show the Wiz's clinical research, other than his year and half in Kids and the two years he ran AARC before writing his PdE, on which he then based AARC which had already been open for two years?

[Anonymous]

Ajax13 disclaimer:

Warning!! He is a confirmed liar.  He has no experience with AARC and is stuck taking care of his wife who has major substance abuse issues.  So he comes on fornits to vent his anger towards places which rehabilitate because he wishes his wife had taken her chance more seriously but seems more inclined to blame others for his situation.
If you review the study AARC has one of the highest success rates of the top 5 programs:

85% of the grads are clean and sober after 4 years and
93% are clean and sober after their first 12 months after graduating.

Study – http://fornits.com/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=6qtomta92gkab729sc9sv6htk0&topic=25625.0

[ajax13]

Still waiting to see where this rearch on which to base AARC was conducted, other than Kids and in AARC itself.

[Anonymous]

Ajax13 disclaimer:

Warning!! He is a confirmed liar.  He has no experience with AARC and is stuck taking care of his wife who has major substance abuse issues.  So he comes on fornits to vent his anger towards places which rehabilitate because he wishes his wife had taken her chance more seriously but seems more inclined to blame others for his situation.
If you review the study AARC has one of the highest success rates of the top 5 programs:

85% of the grads are clean and sober after 4 years and
93% are clean and sober after their first 12 months after graduating.

Study – http://fornits.com/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=6qtomta92gkab729sc9sv6htk0&topic=25625.0

[ajax13]

52% of the sample group from AARC's 2005 study relapsed.  The study is flawed in that 15% of the sample group did not take part in the study.  Information provided by other sources was included with regard to many of the individuals in this 15%.  A great disparity in lengths of time since graduation amongst the individuals in the sample group is also makes the study highly problematic.

[TheWho]

Ajax13 disclaimer:

Warning!!  Ajax13 is a confirmed liar.  He has no experience with AARC and is stuck taking care of his wife who has major substance abuse issues.   Just like Ajax asked why a board member of AARC was morbidly obese I would like to ask why you cannot heal your wife?  Why would a woman chose prostitution for several months over an offer to complete her program?  If someone truly cared for another person why would they encourage them to spend hours on the internet dumping anger that belongs to her?
Grady

[TheWho]

Ajax13 wrote:

The study is flawed in that 15% of the sample group did not take part in the study.

Can you explain why you stated the study is flawed since 15% did not participate?

[ajax13]

In spite of the fact that 15% of the sample population did not take part in the study, information obtained from third parties with regard to a substantial number of these non-particpant clients was used in compiling the study.  Additionally, no mention is made in the study as to the increasing margin of error correlating to the decreased size of the sample population.  This increasing margin of error is substantially greater in the sub-groups used to observe frequency of drug and alcohol use subsequent to graduation.  The sample population is broken down into four groups, whose size is small enough that the technique for statistical analysis is changed from that used in analyzing larger groups.  No mention of the probability variances in these smaller groups is made in the study.

[TheWho]

In all fairness to ajax, I believe he is asking these questions about how many years this man spent researching for his doctorate, because this has been Ajax’s exposure.  For example if say a person was on a job interview and they asked about high school and the interviewee  stated he did not graduate then the interviewer would ask more detailed questions like:  Did you take Algebra II, History , how many years did you attend etc..  But if the person graduated then that’s all the information they would need to know.  
The same with a doctorate.  You will notice degrees on the wall of your doctors office.  There is no information pertaining to number of years spent doing research or which classes he took, just the date of graduation and field of study and, of course, the school that awarded the doctorate degree.
People typically ask questions which are asked of them and I think this is why  ajax is asking for this information. But the rest of us know once you attain your diploma/doctorate the degree speaks for itself.   I am sure someone besides myself will fill him in also.

[Ursus]

from "thewho...."

But if the person graduated then that’s all the information they would need to know.
The same with a doctorate.

...the rest of us know once you attain your diploma/doctorate the degree speaks for itself.

And just exactly WHERE that degree came from speaks a great deal about itself as well!

A degree from... say... Case Western Reserve, or the University of Toronto, for example, would convey certain expectations as to a minimal level of academic exploration and demonstrated acumen in the respective subject matter.

A degree from Podunk Correspondence College, with a reputation for conferring degrees on anyone and everyone, might elicit other -- perhaps less attractive -- expectations!

 

[ajax13]

Apparently no one can answer those questions.  Better to focus attention on the questioner.  The issue of the Union school did seem to have some bearing on Phil Elberg's handling of the Corter case against Kids.  Anyone not familiar with that lawsuit involving All About Receiving Cash's parent program, Kids, might be well served to read about this case.  Mr. Elberg, by the way, won a multi-million dollar judgement against Kids Director and the Wiz's mentor, Miller Newton.  Mr. Newton had two degrees from Union.

[TheWho]

from "thewho...."

But if the person graduated then that’s all the information they would need to know.
The same with a doctorate.

...the rest of us know once you attain your diploma/doctorate the degree speaks for itself.

And just exactly WHERE that degree came from speaks a great deal about itself as well!

A degree from... say... Case Western Reserve, or the University of Toronto, for example, would convey certain expectations as to a minimal level of academic exploration and demonstrated acumen in the respective subject matter.

A degree from Podunk Correspondence College, with a reputation for conferring degrees on anyone and everyone, might elicit other -- perhaps less attractive -- expectations!

 

Exactly.  So what we do know is Vause recieved a doctorate from an accredited University.  The school is better than unaccredited schools and not as good some of the top Ivy League schools.

[Anonymous]

Was it accredited at the time of his, ahem..."attendance"?

[TheWho]

Was it accredited at the time of his, ahem..."attendance"?

Dont know, I am not sure when he attended.  They were accredited and authorized in 1997, then applied for and received  reauthorization due to reorganization in 2001 and are up for review again in 2009.  so if he recieved his degree rior to 1997 then someone would have to check with the school.  The school was established in 1964.

[Anonymous]

Yanno, nowadays online schools are relatively common and actually decent.  When Vause and Newton, ahem..."attended" (that cracks me up) things weren't the way they are now.  Union was fairly universally known to be a diploma mill.  Point being, Vause tries to pass himself off as something he's not.  In fact, he tries to pass himself off as MANY things that he is not.  Pretty common behavior for guru-status addicts.