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Re: While You Were Sleeping
« Reply #15 on: August 07, 2008, 06:45:41 PM »
Right, and those qualifications would be...?
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MR. NELSON: Mr. Speaker, AADAC has been involved with
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Recovery Centre since its inception originally as Kids of the
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Re: While You Were Sleeping
« Reply #16 on: August 07, 2008, 06:53:22 PM »
as is continually stated - and your qualifications on university grad school, addiction reasearch etc. that makes you an expert on qualifications.  . . . . .  . .
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Re: While You Were Sleeping
« Reply #17 on: August 07, 2008, 06:54:02 PM »
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Why don't you tell me what qualifications are required to provide medical treatment to people in the province of Alberta?
Do you not understand the issue invovled here, specifically that the Wiz is not qualified to provide such treatment?

If he has a proven model then I still don’t see why he needs a PhD.  Doctors prescribe medications, Pharmacies fill them and they are dispensed to you by someone with little training who is getting $15 an hour.  They have a process in place and therefore it is not necessary for the doctor to give you the medicine directly.



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Re: While You Were Sleeping
« Reply #18 on: August 07, 2008, 06:59:11 PM »
You have skipped over the process, Who, wherein the doctor prescribes the medicine.  All About Receiving Cash is providing the diagnosis, prescribing the treatment, and providing the treatment.  The prescription of pills is treatment, the dispensing of said pills is not.  Doctors are licensed, pharmacies are licensed.  The Wiz is not licensed, and AARC is not licensed.  I am unaware that the model is proven, and I am still unaware of when and where the Wiz conducted his five years of research, which was the point of this thread.   
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MR. NELSON: Mr. Speaker, AADAC has been involved with
assistance in developing the program of the Alberta Adolescent
Recovery Centre since its inception originally as Kids of the
Canadian West."
Alberta Hansard, March 24, 1992

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Re: While You Were Sleeping
« Reply #19 on: August 07, 2008, 07:06:00 PM »
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You have skipped over the process, Who, wherein the doctor prescribes the medicine.  All About Receiving Cash is providing the diagnosis, prescribing the treatment, and providing the treatment.  The prescription of pills is treatment, the dispensing of said pills is not.  Doctors are licensed, pharmacies are licensed.  The Wiz is not licensed, and AARC is not licensed.  I am unaware that the model is proven, and I am still unaware of when and where the Wiz conducted his five years of research, which was the point of this thread.   

If he is personally prescribing medication then, yes, he needs a license.  As far as his research goes, you would need to contact the school he received his degree from.  I believe that is all covered under the school being accredited so that all those facts do not need to be investigated by every interested party.


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Re: While You Were Sleeping
« Reply #20 on: August 07, 2008, 07:18:58 PM »
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You have skipped over the process, Who, wherein the doctor prescribes the medicine.  All About Receiving Cash is providing the diagnosis, prescribing the treatment, and providing the treatment.  The prescription of pills is treatment, the dispensing of said pills is not.  Doctors are licensed, pharmacies are licensed.  The Wiz is not licensed, and AARC is not licensed.  I am unaware that the model is proven, and I am still unaware of when and where the Wiz conducted his five years of research, which was the point of this thread.   

That is surely the most confused bunch of garble you've puked up today . Get the knives away from Vinny and certainly keep him away from the Greyhound
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« Reply #21 on: August 07, 2008, 07:19:35 PM »
What you believe is not really pertinent.  The fact that the school is accredited has nothing whatsoever to do with whether the education and degreed conferred meet the standard required to provide treatment to people.  Since the PhD from Union does not meet the requirements of the American Psychological Association, nor the Alberta College of Psychologists, this would seem to indicate that the credentials posessed by the Wiz do not meet this standard.
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MR. NELSON: Mr. Speaker, AADAC has been involved with
assistance in developing the program of the Alberta Adolescent
Recovery Centre since its inception originally as Kids of the
Canadian West."
Alberta Hansard, March 24, 1992

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Re: While You Were Sleeping
« Reply #22 on: August 07, 2008, 07:52:44 PM »
and the "pertinent" point is that this is Vinny's opinion, which we know is not worth much because it is just that - vinny's uneducated opinion as opposed to professionals in the area that support AARC. funny they aren't running around stipulating that Vause's education and experience does not suit Vinny so AARC needs to be shut down.

As i and several others keep pointing out and who obviously understand what is involved in conducting the PhD Vause did not to mention his hands on expericence before and while doing his PhD, Vauses is by virtue of the PhD he completed MORE than qualified to run an adolescent treatment centre.

Now skip to another thread and you will find Vinny saying that he is not judgin how credible a university is EXCEPT he keeps writing here about how UNION doesn't meet Vinny's qualifications! the great Vinny with all his knowledge and education . . that can't even go through the archives in Swift current properly LOL
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Re: While You Were Sleeping
« Reply #23 on: August 07, 2008, 09:38:09 PM »
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What you believe is not really pertinent.  The fact that the school is accredited has nothing whatsoever to do with whether the education and degreed conferred meet the standard required to provide treatment to people.  Since the PhD from Union does not meet the requirements of the American Psychological Association, nor the Alberta College of Psychologists, this would seem to indicate that the credentials posessed by the Wiz do not meet this standard.

Where does it state that they do not meet those requirements?


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« Reply #24 on: August 07, 2008, 09:51:33 PM »
Why don't you go and find out whether or not a PhD from Union meets the requirements of the American Psychological Association or the Alberta College of Psychologists?  I've already done so.  Then, if you find that I am wrong, by all means let the readers of this forum know that you confirmed that a Union PhD does in fact meet the requirements to be licensed as a psychologist either in the United States, or Alberta, Canada.  I assume that, since you asked, you don't know.
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MR. NELSON: Mr. Speaker, AADAC has been involved with
assistance in developing the program of the Alberta Adolescent
Recovery Centre since its inception originally as Kids of the
Canadian West."
Alberta Hansard, March 24, 1992

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Re: While You Were Sleeping
« Reply #25 on: August 07, 2008, 10:03:36 PM »
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Why don't you go and find out whether or not a PhD from Union meets the requirements of the American Psychological Association or the Alberta College of Psychologists?  I've already done so.  Then, if you find that I am wrong, by all means let the readers of this forum know that you confirmed that a Union PhD does in fact meet the requirements to be licensed as a psychologist either in the United States, or Alberta, Canada.  I assume that, since you asked, you don't know.

So we will take that as you dont know.  So sticking with what we do know is that Union meets all the requirements neccessary to be an accredited University and has been around since 1964.



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Re: While You Were Sleeping
« Reply #26 on: August 07, 2008, 10:30:14 PM »
You can take it however you want.  When you can disprove my statement that a PhD from Union meets neither the requirements of the American Psychological Association, nor that of the College of Psychologists in Alberta, by all means let the readers here know.  As to Union's existence since 1964, I am not quite clear on how that pertains to whether or not a PhD in psychology from the school meets the requirements of the aforementioned professional governing boards.   
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MR. NELSON: Mr. Speaker, AADAC has been involved with
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Recovery Centre since its inception originally as Kids of the
Canadian West."
Alberta Hansard, March 24, 1992

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Re: While You Were Sleeping
« Reply #27 on: August 08, 2008, 12:07:01 AM »
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You can take it however you want.  When you can disprove my statement that a PhD from Union meets neither the requirements of the American Psychological Association, nor that of the College of Psychologists in Alberta, by all means let the readers here know.  As to Union's existence since 1964, I am not quite clear on how that pertains to whether or not a PhD in psychology from the school meets the requirements of the aforementioned professional governing boards.   

The requirements need to be defined first.  What are the requirements needed for Vauses position at AARC?  It hasnt even been determined if he needs a PhD for his position.  AARC was running fine prior to him getting a PhD so it doesnt even seem to be a requirement.
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Re: While You Were Sleeping
« Reply #28 on: August 08, 2008, 12:58:59 AM »
I have no idea what you mean by running fine.  I have seen no evidence that the Wiz was qualified to provide medical treatment.  The topic of this thread was the claim by the Wiz that he had done five years of research for his PdE, and the fact that, in the five year period prior to his obtaining a PhD from Union, he spent a year and half working in Miller Newton's torture facility, and then ran AARC for a couple of years.
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MR. NELSON: Mr. Speaker, AADAC has been involved with
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Recovery Centre since its inception originally as Kids of the
Canadian West."
Alberta Hansard, March 24, 1992

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Re: While You Were Sleeping
« Reply #29 on: August 08, 2008, 01:06:14 AM »
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I have no idea what you mean by running fine.  I have seen no evidence that the Wiz was qualified to provide medical treatment.  The topic of this thread was the claim by the Wiz that he had done five years of research for his PdE, and the fact that, in the five year period prior to his obtaining a PhD from Union, he spent a year and half working in Miller Newton's torture facility, and then ran AARC for a couple of years.

The part that you do not understand is that many people are working at their professions while attaining their advanced degrees. 



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