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« on: July 24, 2003, 04:34:00 PM »
Does anybody know how recruitment of new victims is going for WWASP?  Is anybody out there with a child newly-released that has insight into the population increase or decrease?  How effective has the bad press been?  

I read a journal of an eloquent Casa survivor, and her talking about being "left behind" as other girls around her were continually being pulled was anguishing.  She returned to the dorms each night, and familiar faces were always missing.  She constantly worried that maybe Casa was right, that she really was bad enough to be there, since so many other girls were "good" enough to go home.  BTW, she herself was finally pulled at around 4½ months.

[On this day, Thursday, something remarkable should be happening at Casa, as one boy's family is going to pick him up after only a week there.  I wrote the family a letter of disclosure of what their son was really up against, and they booked flights to Ensenada for today.  I'll let you know how it goes.]
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« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2003, 05:25:00 PM »
Hi Spots -

Where do you find these parents to write to?  And how do you get them to believe their kids are being hurt by their choice to get help?
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« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2003, 06:54:00 PM »
I can't speak for Spots, but I just tell the truth and that sometimes works.

Hint, Program parent, it doesn't make a bit of difference what you're intentions may be. In the end, if your kid winds up suicidal, PTSD or simply a semi-orphan, it doesn't make one bit of difference how many fellow cult mebers continually slap you on the back and tell you want a good, strong parent you are. The minute you quit following orders, you make the enemies list and 5 years from now, most of them won't even remember your face.

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« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2003, 07:46:00 PM »
GREAT JOB SPOTS!!!!
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« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2003, 08:58:00 PM »
SPOTS: Let me understand something.  Your grand daughter has been at Casa by the Sea for many months.  Her parents are seeing results and know she is not being abused and are fully supporting her being there.  You have been shut out of her life due to your interference.  Now you are going after other parents in hopes that they will believe you? Is that making up for your own blood not doing the same?  There must be a huge satisfaction in interfering in other's choices and having them bring a kid home that really needs to be getting the help.  Did you recommend an alternative treatment facility or did you shame them into thinking they don't need help?

I have a hard time believing anyone would be that gullible.  (I wasn't aware that Ensenada had an airport.)
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« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2003, 01:36:00 AM »
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On 2003-07-24 17:58:00, Anonymous wrote:

*****SPOTS: Let me understand something.  Your grand daughter has been at Casa by the Sea for many months.  (ALMOST 9) Her parents are seeing results and know she is not being abused"*****

-No one can know whether she is being abused, including YOU, Anon, since all DIRECT TRUTHFUL communication with her has disappeared. What is abuse to you???? hanging from the hallway wall in chains?  To me, it is constant public humiliation, it is casting eyes downward in the universal world-wide display of submission, constant lining up for headcounts and shouting out your number, not your name, degrading rules without purpose (asking to stand, go to the toilet, cross a threshold?), deprivation of family, friends, a normal adolescent life, constant repetition of one's faults, open attacks by other children upon one's most personal reflections, so much so that she often apologized for "being such a black hole, sucking the goodness out of everyone" even though we had her with us for 2 weeks just days before she left and she was very much a normal teen, an education that is absolutely devoid of critical thinking skills, language development, the joy of learning, limited "selected" reading material [no news] that she identified as "Chicken Soup for the Everything", no experience of the physical world as she grows and matures except the endless repetition of packets and canned presentations, no chances to make informed decisions as a young person should if those decisions don't fall into an incredible pre-planned formula which just delays the inevitable process she will have to face as she "grows up".  

-I do know that she spent one full week in isolation on Week 3 for talking to a peer.
-I know that she played frantic "'hood" basketball as her only 1/2-hr.a day outside and her flip-flops caused major pain while her brand-new tennies sat in Confo until she outgrew them.  
-I know she has no world outside 24-ft stucco walls, and can't look out a window to see the ocean nearby or the beautiful sunsets.
-I know she did an Algebra packet, but had to bail on a 42-chapter biology book that looked interesting, because she could not teach herself.
-I know she is gaining weight from high carb diets, and eats bananas as her only food when the regular stuff is awful (which is potassium-rich and not good as the major diet component for a growing teen).
-I know she wrote every single Monday, although she is aware that we received only about 1/3 of her letters.
-I know she stayed on Level II, "failed" Discovery, and had not achieved her Level III by 7½ months into the Program.  This means she had not spoken to her mother from Halloween one year until well after Mother's Day the next year.
-I know she had points, staff approval, but not "student council" approval for that precious rating.  A bunch of kids too dysfunctional to even return to their own homes considered her attitude "not consistent enough" to award her the privilege of speaking on a highly-monitored call with her mother.
-I know she has no one to hug her when she cries, because that is not allowed between inmates.

*****You have been shut out of her life due to your interference.*****

'Ya know, lady, you have no idea what is happening within her extended family, nor why a schism has developed...and it's none of your G** D*** business.  Suffice it to say, there's a whole hell of a lot more here than you are privy to.  This simplistic thinking of yours is a hallmark of the Program.  The staff thinks all kids are manipulators, the owners call all negative journalists liars, and you think I'm nasty because I don't agree that this form of Stepford-ism is a healthy model for emerging adults.

*****Now you are going after other parents in hopes that they will believe you? Is that making up for your own blood not doing the same?  There must be a huge satisfaction in interfering in other's choices and having them bring a kid home that really needs to be getting the help.  Did you recommend an alternative treatment facility or did you shame them into thinking they don't need help? I have a hard time believing anyone would be that gullible.*****

I don't need to explain myself to the likes of you, but I will stoop to offer this:  [let me see...how can I explain it simply so you can understand?]  A question was asked on another forum; I answered what I factually knew of daily life at Casa. At the same time, the family phoned the child's family representative and received an angry, condescending demand contrary to their child's welfare, and the two incidents in one day prompted the decision.  Our discussions had nothing to do with this child's problems, except to confer and determine that WWASP was not going to help him, and the family felt it would probably hurt him.  The point was not whether this boy needed psychological help, residential boarding help, or at-home family counseling, since I, unlike you, do not have the gall to suppose I can make such a judgement on such sketchy knowledge.  

   
*****(I wasn't aware that Ensenada had an airport.)*****

Dealing with such a limited mentality is fruitless.  As I said, I have no obligation to explain anything to you, as I am sure your response would be in WWASP syntax, admonishing us all to allow the love of the Casa staff to do its mighty work.  My solution is to bring this company down, which will happen more sooner than later.
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« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2003, 03:19:00 AM »
When the authorities shut down 4 ( is it 5?) programs of one company in as many different countries including the US I think they might be a tad abusive.

In addition Costa Rica wants the UN to investigate allegations of torture at Dundee. So that makes it kinda like investigating mass murderers and war criminals. Gee WWASP leadership fits right in with them, too bad they don't hang war criminals anymore.


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« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2003, 06:43:00 PM »
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On 2003-07-25 00:19:00, FaceKhan wrote:

"When the authorities shut down 4 ( is it 5?) programs of one company in as many different countries including the US I think they might be a tad abusive.



In addition Costa Rica wants the UN to investigate allegations of torture at Dundee. So that makes it kinda like investigating mass murderers and war criminals. Gee WWASP leadership fits right in with them, too bad they don't hang war criminals anymore.




You said, "I think they might be a tad abusive". That's different from KNOWING they are a tad abusive. You know this for a fact?  It is my suggestion that until the investigation of DUNDEE is complete, you get out that mirror - you know what I mean.
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« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2003, 06:53:00 PM »
Spots - What you describe as abuse practically mirrors my education in a Catholic boarding school!  I guess it's all in the perception. Just sharing my opinion of what you wrote, not disagreeing, okay.


You stated, "we had her with us for 2 weeks just days before she left and she was very much a normal teen."

What does that mean??   How do you define normal? Most parents wouldn't think of a long term residential school unless things are beyond their control and they want better for their kid. If normal means lowering standards or values, then she could have been considered normal by some, but not by her parents who apprently have higher standards.

BREATHE!!  It will be okay if you just let it go. :wink:
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« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2003, 09:36:00 PM »
Anon wrote:
What you describe as abuse practically mirrors my education in a Catholic boarding school!

I don't mean to be rude, but I have a good number of friends and acquaitances who are recovering from their treatment in the Catholic church and/or school. There are Catholic survivor groups. Have you heard all the press about sexual abuse? Am I hearing you right? If Catholic schools do it, it's okay?

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How do you define normal? Most parents wouldn't think of a long term residential school unless things are beyond their control and they want better for their kid.

Wrong ! I'd like to see a poll on this one. I have co-miserated with many a parent whose child was placed as revenge by the other parent and the program colluded with the revengeful parent to limit the child's contact with the "adversarial"  parent. The program I have experience with (not WWASP but a well "respected" program in Ga), went to the extent of blatently lying, stating in a letter to the court that I did things I didn't do. They weren't required to "prove" anything. The judge ruled that my son would stay. Try defending yourself against a psych professional whose livelihood is being threatened.

Many kids end up warehoused for VERY minor things. Some simply because their grades are slipping. Some because they became sexually active. Some because their meds didn't work. Some because they talk back to their parents. I remember one participant at this particular facility could not go anywhere without a handful of pencils. Some are there because psych facilities are decreasing in number and the industry is filling that void. And all too often they are there simply because their parents are too busy or self absorbed to be parents. In your defense, I guess it could be said that parenting is "beyond their control".

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BREATHE!! It will be okay if you just let it go.

While breathing might benefit spots, letting it go is not going to benefit her grandchild or the others in similar facilities. Spot's caring won't magically undo the brainwashing she will be subjected to, but it will go a long way in terms of her knowing there is at least one person she can trust, who perceived the truth about the situation, and tried her damnedest to stop it. If spots has the time and resource then she should GO FOR IT, not let it go.

My neighbor's son was killed a year ago at a wilderness program. She "let it go" and didn't file a wrongful death lawsuit. Why? As reported by another neighbor, she didn't want to be "a victim of the situation", it was "his karma to die." It turns my stomach (and causes me to hold my breath) everytime I read or think about that. I imagine the truth behind that flimsy new age excuse is that she wants to avoid the wave of guilt that might overcome her if she looked at the truth of the situation.

He was a "victim" of medical neglect...yet SHE doesn't want to feel "like a victim" of the situation? Where is the rationale? How selfish !

Karma is basically cause and effect. What did he do (cause) to justify him loosing his life (effect)? He didn't choose to go to wilderness. He didn't refuse to drink water. He didn't choose to hike in 100* weather, and further than his 200+ pound body could carry him. He didn't choose to take psych meds that caused him to overheat, without exertion. He didn't choose to sit in the sun until he was overcome by heat exhaustion. He didn't neglect to tell his doctor (who cleared him for participation) the nature of program. The physical endurance necessary to survive.
No, all these "causes" were external.

If karma applies to him, then it damn sure should apply to the counselor and program. Their negligence (cause) should result in the counselor and director receiving jail time and the program closing (effect). At the very least none of the 4 involved that day should be allowed more than 100 yds near another child.

We'll see what the good state of Utah does in the upcoming court drama. I say "drama" because while I'm hopeful justice will prevail, I'm afraid it will be yet another dramatic production staged for the benefit of the public- to appear to be taking responsible measures to protect minors in the care of incompetents.

And btw, just curious what vested interest you have in spots "letting it go"? And what causes you to feel so confident that everything will be okay? And about your "advice" to a grieving and angry grandmother... strikes me of the arrogance a brainwashed Catholic might possess. Quick, find yourself a support group and reevaluate all the lies they programmed you with.

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« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2003, 03:15:00 AM »
Well like the majority of people familiar with WWASP, it is quite clear to any reasonable person that all WWASP facilities are run for the profit of a handful of people regardless of what the corporate papers say.

With that in mind I don't have to wait on Dundee findings to be sure it was abusive. I can look at the findings of the 4 other programs that they have had shutdown.

Do you know what would happen if a parent did any of this to their own kid? They would be reported by a concerned teacher, or the teen's doctor and Child protective services would find ample cause to remove the teen from their custody.

Then the criminal charges would be filed and they would very likely be convicted. They could then spend 2-12 years in prison with people who by a very high percentage were abused as children. We all know how popular those "parents" would be.

Now multiply that by several thousand and come up with a fitting sentence for, Atkins, Ken Kay, and the Lichfield family.
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« Reply #11 on: July 28, 2003, 08:23:00 AM »
Why on earth would you wait for the results of an investigation if your kids were potentially at risk of serious harm?

Would you want your school to hire a teacher under investigation for sexual abuse-- accused by several credible witnesses who had made their similar accounts public?  Send to a pediatrician under investigation for malpractice, who had had several deaths?  I'd feel sorry for such professionals in case the accounts proved false, but I wouldn't bet my kids life on it and put the professionals' profits and careers first.

I truly believe in the principle of innocent until proven guilty, but why put my kids at extra risk?  Especially when there is a prior history of proven abuse and the only evidence for efficacy of the program is a few anecdotes from people, not independent data.
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