Coldwater the Movie

[anon]

I didn't intend to say anymore about this. I don't know what more I can say - But since Deborah is wanting to hear, I'll try and oblige.

Please understand - as far as the STH site is concerned - *I* do not make referrals. Ever.
*I* do not make referrals in the traditional sense of the word at all.
There are occasions, few and far between, when a parent calls me or writes as a result of something they've seen on the web that I wrote. Usually, but not always, as a result of the editorial I have up on Lon's site:

http://strugglingteens.com/news/lettert ... karen.html

Usually, this gives me the chance to explain in some detail how evil I view 'the big one' to be, and why.

If they have a child in the program, and are considering a pull - I always stop there. All I say is that there are many other programs - and some of them very good, and others just as bad.
They at least know better now what to look out for.
Often times - the kid in question never needed anything remotely like what 'the program' is. In some cases, the parents actually thought it was a high class private boarding school - the kid was actually sent for a better education!

If they have not yet placed the kid, and are asking me for suggestions - I have suggested web sites belonging to ed consultants; *one* of which is STH. I do explain I moderate the forum (and point out it could be a handy place to go for certain kinds of additional info) but that the help request info page goes to a group of ed consultants, not me.
If they have a son, who will willingly attend, and they are a Christian family, I do tell them they might want to call ALA. I explain this is the only program other than WWASP I have any actual knowledge of, and if they ask questions that I can answer, I do.

I as of yet, have never gotten a call as a result of STH, nor even an email.
If I did, how would you all suggest I go about being fair and ethical? I'm willing to hear you out.

You all seem to think there needs to be a disclosure on the home page explaining the connection to ALA - Am I understanding this correctly? How would you word it - what do you think it needs to say, exactly?

As I have explained - I am not the one who decides what the site says (except for the forum) but I can make suggestions.
I would also suggest, if you can be respectful about it, you could make the suggestion yourself.

I also ask you to keep in mind, the site was/is built by a kid. I think he did a great job - but theres no getting around he is in a learning process. I would hope no one would want to discourage him.

From my perspective, this subject was brought up by someone in an attempt to discredit me before those with whom I wish to work toward the same general goal; And I think this was done, for the sole purpose of distracting folks from their own failing arguments in the subject of this link.
I perceive this as a desperate stab in the back by someone who was falling flat on their face in the mud; and I also feel this person knows full well the slur slung at me is undeserved.

I don't want to keep on and on about this, or anything related to it, on this forum, or any other. I am available for private conversation. Anyone who really wants to talk about any of this, give me a call, or write me.

[Carey]

Karen you made the following statement:

"From my perspective, this subject was brought up by someone in an attempt to discredit me before those with whom I wish to work toward the same general goal; And I think this was done, for the sole purpose of distracting folks from their own failing arguments in the subject of this link.
I perceive this as a desperate stab in the back by someone who was falling flat on their face in the mud; and I also feel this person knows full well the slur slung at me is undeserved"

My argument has not failed.  I am not trying to convince you and your "buddies" I am seeking to reach those who still have open minds of thier own.

And by the way, if you go back and read on all of the topics,including this one, the mud slinging at you, has not been from me.  But I will say this, quit recommending and being a part of something you yourself say you know nothing about.  Why give your name for others to use when you yourself admit "I know nothing."  (Your website that is...just want to be clear on that.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous Says:

"No one is wrong here. No one is right either."

Hmmm, this sounds a lot like that tired old mantra "there is no right or wrong, just your experience".

Poppycock!

This is a discussion about REAL issues and LEGITMATE concerns.  

If you can't see that, then there is definitly something WRONG with your values and beliefs.

 ::bwahaha2::

[Anonymous]

There IS right and wrong - My statement means that each person has their own view of what is right and what is wrong - to themselves. It doesn't mean it's right or wrong for me or anyone else reading it.  I think dishonesty is wrong, however, there are others that don't think it is.  I think that loving someone unconditionally is right, however, there are other's that don't - that's what's so great about being HUMAN - one's view is not another's.

If I say the color RED - I see a shade of red, you may see a  different shade of red - get it???