Coldwater the Movie

[Anonymous]

Karen Z - OMG!!  Are you another Sue Scheff??  She was on struggling teens and pretended to be several different people and was slamming WWASP programs!!  All to make it look like she was "the good guy" and recommended only "safe" schools to parents of troubled teens.  I found that SICK and TWISTED and now it looks like you are doing the same thing!  OMG!!!   ::

[Anonymous]

Your only giving them the attention, and thats the right thing to do because all the victims have good intensions.

Obviously you havent made much of a differnece even with the 104 posts you have made, and yet still your the only posting on your hehalf.

We are all very anxious to watch Coldwater, but your gonna have to wait just like all of us.
It's a good thing that they have a real-life surivor because that shows alot.

You say your a writer? Never would have guessed that, your 107 posts of writing makes you look like a fool.

Theres to many victims out there and your not one of them. Dont tell us statements if you havent been there.

We can all see its you who made the message board, get the kid a fan club if you wanna talk about him so much.

Of course you havent made a difference, because were the ones saving and your the one complaining.

[Carey]

"Of course you havent made a difference, because were the ones saving and your the one complaining."

Let me ask you, who have you saved?

Dundee is closed which I am proud to say I had a part in. And you know what, I am not sure it would have had I not done what I did.  I believe there were about 200 children there.  Once again, who have you saved?

[spots]

Hey, this forum is unmoderated, but is there any way we can divert this college-age, non-WWASP, thesis-writing, double-talking, friend-of-1000's of graduates, person off into a closet somewhere?  She is bitchy enough to call lots of folks here stupid, abusers, blah-blah-blah, and yet cannot come up with anything more concrete for "her side" than the 1000's of satisfied WWASP graduates she is sure exists (or that she personally knows, or something), and the incredible success they have achieved that makes all the shit the others experienced worth it.

We were talking about a movie, for Christ sake.  It may or may not harm the cause...we don't know...but each of us has valid reasons to worry about its impact.  If it is a teeny little independent film (whose web site says they have major stars interested!), I'd be amazed if it even materializes.  If you worry about this movie and believe it is the Axis of Evil...well, I have some waterfront property in Arizona for sale, or I have a unique educational opportunity to change and enhance your balky child's relationship with you for only $30K or $40K a year.  Trust me.

Let's move on.

[spots]

Isn't a thesis supposed to start out with an idea already in place and the thesis evolves in order to prove that theory?  Exactly what are you starting with, and how hard are you looking to prove it?  

Oh, BTW, be sure and use a computer with spell-check, dearie.  You definitely need it (and I thought WWASP graduates were ill-educated).

[Anonymous]

Spots -  Maybe I'm missing something here,but didn't think I was calling anyone stupid or an abuser.   Objectivity, reading all sides is my purpose.  Because I'm not in agreement with the abuse factor must mean I'm not real?? Maybe this isn't the thread to discuss this - it is about a movie.

Actually, so far the only person on this thread who seems to have inside hands on experience of any program (Straight) is Antigen.  The rest are parents or relatives speaking for their kid in or out of a program. There may be former students here, so I apologize for not seeing you. I also know that adults pose as teens just to make it look credible.

I don't think this Teen Help Industry forum is as proactive as most of you would like it to be - too much judgment and attacking for those that don't share you're point of view -

Maybe I'll start a new thread to keep this out of the movie thread -

[anon]

[ This Message was edited by: KarenZ on 2003-10-17 09:27 ]

[Deborah]

>>I don't think this Teen Help Industry forum is as proactive as most of you would like it to be - too much judgment and attacking for those that don't share you're point of view -

Honey,
Keep researching your thesis.

Someday when you have a child or grandchild who is ripped from your life without notice or discussion, and you don't see or talk to them for a couple of years, and the few moments you do have are spent with them recanting the mind *ucking insanity they live day-to-day which you can do nothing about, THEN you might have a clue as to why some of us are judmental about the industry.

"Judgment" has gotten a bad rap. It's actually a good thing... the ability to discern right and wrong. By the way, many ex spouses incarcerate their child as revenge on the other parent. Lots of us were/are in that situation. You can't fathom what some of us have been through. Lively passionate debate and honesty (speaking YOUR truth) are good, even if tempers flare.  ::bigmouth::  and somehow we'd hear it differently? Perhaps because you are "writing a thesis" your "credibility" might convince the lot of us to suddenly see the whole industry through different eyes? Or because you "say" you know graduates? And, we're still waiting for you to answer the questions posed to you... or DID you just drop in to plug WWASP and "judge" those of us who have a different opinion?

This board will be what it will be. If it served no other purpose than to provide a space for people to share their heart felt pain, their rage and anger, it will have been an invaluable service.
Deborah

[Anonymous]

Karen Z.

The strugglingteenhelp.com website is registered to Craig Rogers, owner/director of Abundant Life Academy, one of the programs recommended by the website you claim to be the "volunteer" director of. http://www.abundantlifeacademy.com

Looking at the ALA website, under the links section, is a link to strugglingteenhelp.com.

Care to explain what's really going on here?

 :flame:

[Anonymous]

I guess the only question here is who copied who or is this just a coincidence?

http://www.armsofassurance.com/new.php? ... 0Resources

http://www.strugglingteenhelp.com
click on school options

** Arms of Assurance is an educational consulting firm linked to the mytroubledteen.com website.  

 ::bigmouth::

[Anonymous]

This is the page that I found most interesting.
http://www.strugglingteenhelp.com/index ... %20Schools

List of Approved Schools
The following organizations represent our list of ?approved? schools that we have determined to be above reproach in regard to marketing and advertising practices. We use specific criteria to determine how a school or program can earn our ?approved? status. Below you will find the basic tenants of our approval process. Please note: The status of ?approved? schools is based on the integrity of their marketing practices. This list DOES NOT represent the quality of care, educational curriculum, or therapeutic services. We highly suggest that all parents searching for a school or program hire a professional educational consultant to assist in the research and admissions:

Integrity in Marketing & Advertising:
Does the school use referral agencies to attract and recruit new students?
Does the school accept student referrals from referral agencies who expect payment for the referral?
Does the school pay a commission or finder?s fee to referral agencies for student referrals?
Does the school pay former or current parents a finder?s fee for referring new students?
Does the school offer free tuition to parents who refer new students to the school or program?
Has the school created referral web sites to attract and gather student referrals? If so, does the website claim to be an independent referral service, or does it disclose the fact that the website is actually a lead generator for the specific school or group of schools (in other words, is the lead generating web site used to dupe or trick unsuspecting parents into believing that the referral agency?s web site is independent, representing only the best interest of the family when in fact, they only represent a certain school or program, getting paid for every family that enrolls their child).

Please note: It is of our opinion that any school that pays a referral source for a student referral is not practicing integrity unless they openly disclose this practice upfront. This practice not only lacks integrity, but it also dangerous and reckless. Additionally, any school or program that pays parents to recruit new students is not operating in acceptable levels of integrity, and is putting the referring parents into serious jeopardy; possibly opening them up to law suits and criminal prosecution. It is strongly suggested that parents searching the Internet for schools as the above questions to any referral source or school.

Approved List of Schools & Referral
The following schools have met the above described criteria. Please understand that this list is not complete. We intend to add schools continuously as our search for schools of integrity continues:

Abundant Life Academy
Carlbrook School
Positive Impact of Bahia de Kino
Academy at Swift River
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Integrity in marketing is important... but for me personally, I'd rather see a list of programs that had passed the test for safety. Are there any other programs or assoc that have marketing practices similar to WWASP? Marketing is actually the least of my concerns. If there were such a place that genuinely treated teens with respect and provided them a truly safe place to reevaluate their situation, I wouldn't care if it were plastered all over the web, or paid for referrals.

There are LOTS of programs that may have "intergrity in marketing" but fly under the radar, avoid regs (for what that's worth), and have had allegations of abuse. Academy at Swift River being one.

This seems to imply that if a program has acceptable marketing practices, they can be trusted with your child. My experience with such a "respected" programs proves that to be Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.
Deborah

[Carey]

Karen,

I am only a nuisance to those with whom I disagree.  

Oh, and by the way, Tim did respond.

Carey

[anon]

[ This Message was edited by: KarenZ on 2003-10-17 09:32 ]

[Carey]

Karen you are so full of sh___!

I have talked to alot of people who run these programs.  I don't trust any of them.  Including Craig.  They are all to eager to take on other peoples problems for a mighty high price.  They are not doing it because they care...they are doing it for money. UNREGULATED!!!!!!

You talk about a fish flopping around, you go from claiming to know nothing about the  programs,

 "One of the reasons (the reason) I wouldn't want the job of an ed consultant, is how impossible it can be to have real knowledge of what goes on.   I'm too afraid of the industry and how difficult it is to know whats going on from the outside. "

to offering advice on them,

"There are not many programs listed on the site, because I've stayed so busy with stuff like this, that I haven't called any of the thousands of programs asking about their referral policies - which I am supposed to do, and suggest adding them if they qualify according to the referral policies.  Craig is the hub all the spokes connect to - but this is not a bad thing."

Oh, sounds like this is really a site that people should turn to,  NOT!!!!!

You say it yourself, you are promoting something you know nothing about!  

You are a part of the problem...not part of the solution!

The movie Coldwater is FICTION!  If we need fiction to tell what is happening, it will shed doubt on the side of truth. It WILL hurt the court case.  If you don't beleive me ask the attorney's invovled.

[ This Message was edited by: Carey on 2003-07-24 08:13 ]

[ This Message was edited by: Carey on 2003-07-24 08:15 ]

[Anonymous]

:eek:  :eek:  :eek: Abundant Life Academy--Phase 1 in Mexico? Now KarenZ, how could you promote that? Unbelievable.