bury this rotting carcass, it's starting to stink.

[psy]

Actually Zen the anon makes some valid points. It is creepy that people collect IPs. Wasn't aware psy did that, but it wouldn't surprise me.

I don't keep lists like that other Admin you referred to did.  If you have a problem, take it up with ginger, please.  People:  There are only two admins on this forum.  Me, and Ginger.  Neither of us have ever... ever... released a single IP address to anybody.  I take orders from her and follow them.  I just work here.  Stop blaming me for things that other admins might have done in the past.  Even the admin you refer to who kept the list only did it for her own organizational purposes, and only in the forum where he/she was already a moderator (a moderated forum).  Do you want to hurt Fornits, Che?  Do you have an agenda?  Is this personal?  Take it up with Ginger and stop trying to scare the forum populace if you have a problem with me.  Doing that just proves to me that you care more about your personal quibbles than the overall welfare of the forum.

Need I mention the time, before I became an admin, that You violated the forum's confidence, gave me TheWho's IP address, and told me to disseminate it (which I didn't).  This was when he posted in the facilities questions forum.  You are such a fucking hypocrite, Che.  Maybe Angela is right about you.  I keep wondering how Benchmark knew we were coming and why most of the kids were already gone when we got there.  I don't trust you anymore, Che.  You go around spreading lies about me and others.  Is it personal, or professional, Che?

[Anonymous]

I’m an ex- regular who comes no longer. The repelling force isn’t Mike, but a few fire whirls, including the loss of safety in posting here. Currently, one fears moderators will misuse their clout to compromise a vexing poster’s anonymity, or give information about their identities to programs or authorities.

A poster accused Zenagent of sexual abuse, being an alcoholic, and failure, upsetting him. He demanded the poster’s IP. It wasn’t revealed, but it’s repulsive that an accused abuser, who demanded the ID of their complainant- as if they had the right to that info- is now a moderator. Moderating powers should not be given to people who do not recognize ethical boundaries concerning privacy. Only people who don’t use their powers to obtain IPs as a method of handling detractors triggering personal insecurities, should be moderators. Zen’s powers should be strictly limited, or removed.

Mike having an ip collection is creepy, as is che “abusing his powers to check on ips.” This issue should be addressed. Moderators should have no more right to check ips for personal aims than regular posters

There needs to be mechanical limitations on moderator powers and these should publicly posted.

Secondly, Fornits shouldn’t be hijacked by a small group from a traditionally abusive rtc. The YLF forum shouldn’t be on top. The rtcs and cults discussed inside already have their forums. I feel like some program parents don’t “need” this forum emotionally and have turned it into a place where insults about being gay and poor, and orders to identify yourself have replaced communication. They aren’t interested n communication but a bully-pulpit platform which has resulted in a corresponding decline of other voices

Finally, fornits should be fully anon again. Stop forcing “name” declarations when logging in as guest. “Tortured kids,” “cafety,” and mike’s forum are dead because of the “signing in” policy. The emotions provoked by discussion of therapeutic cult abuse are too painful to expect people to log in. This I.D.ing policy drives survivors away.

Who decides how the forum is run, anyway?
Whoever that is should consider these issues. I surmised that people would stop posting when invasive I.D.ing and unreliable moderators became worries, and this prediction has proved accurate.

With that said, there is no pleasing everyone. Individually, I’d like to feel relatively comfortable that my right to privacy is respected, even if I piss off individual moderators, and that all survivors aims are considered.

And before we EVEN go there, I’m not a troll, or involved in any of the personal disputes referenced.

I am also a regular, ex- or whatever, and not this person or CCMgirl who I don't agree with usually. But the IP collections and the disrespect for posters anonymity and the selective banning and hostile language coming out of moderators and administrators mouths have GOT to STOP if people are ever gonna trust fornits again. Ginger seems to be okay but the collective maturity of the rest of you running around with badges on your chests is that of a five year old. Adios amigos.

[psy]

PROTIP:  Don't listen to guests.  They often are trolls who have nothing better to do than to talk to themselves.

I DO NOT KEEP A LIST OF IPS.  CHE MADE THAT UP BECAUSE HE'S A FUCKING ASSHOLE.  IF IT WERE LEGAL, IP ADDRESSES WOULDN'T BE COLLECTED BY THE SERVER AT ALL!!!

As for the name declaration... you can enter anything you like in the guest name box, and as far as I know, nothing at all.  Nobody forces anybody to log in.  Few forums allow unrestricted, unmoderated, guest postings.  This is one of them.  If you have a problem, take it up with ginger or post a request in the web hosting forum.  Look.  I feel like i'm trying to do my best here and i'm just getting attacked for it... All i'm doing is following orders... so fuck you all.

and for the last time:

NOBODY HAS BEEN BANNED FROM FORNITS... NOR EVER WILL BE

FUCK YOU FOR SUGGESTING OTHERWISE

I will not respond to any guest postings on this thread anymore.  this is absurd.  I have better shit to do.  Present evidence of wrongdoing of shut the fuck up.  pix or it didn't happen.

[Che Gookin]

Wow.. I'm not even going to bother dignifying this with a response. Ladies and gentlemen I'm sorry to say but I think I've lost all confidence and faith in the future of fornits. The ship is officially going down.

Good luck and godspeed.

[psy]

Also, I forgot to mention!!!!!!! The altering of my posts, I really LOVED that!!!!!!

That happened when Che got admin privs and immediately abused them by deleting the ASR thread, Giving Niles admin privs (who, afaik, was the one to edit your posts) and generally raised all sorts of hell. He called this immature act of idiocy his "Jihad on Admins".  He's been nothing but a loose cannon on this forum, IMO, posting that he is drunk, on drugs, screwing hookers, etc... At the same time he acts like he wants parents to take what he has to say seriously...  Come on...

I'm not the first person to think that he does this on purpose but was unwilling to entertain the idea until he started going behind my back and lying about me.  I then looked closer and caught him lying about others...  I don't have to name names..  People are starting to figure this out on their own.

[Che Gookin]

Psy.. I feel a great deal of pity for you. But in the end I'll forgive you for the things that you have said as I know you mean well.

[ZenAgent]

I’m an ex- regular who comes no longer. The repelling force isn’t Mike, but a few fire whirls, including the loss of safety in posting here. Currently, one fears moderators will misuse their clout to compromise a vexing poster’s anonymity, or give information about their identities to programs or authorities.

A poster accused Zenagent of sexual abuse, being an alcoholic, and failure, upsetting him. He demanded the poster’s IP. It wasn’t revealed, but it’s repulsive that an accused abuser, who demanded the ID of their complainant- as if they had the right to that info- is now a moderator.

He's only a moderator on the PV sub-forum of YLF.

I would like to add - shut up, Miranda.  You're a troll, everyone knows it.  If you're going to act like an asshole, people have a right to address your bullshit.  But you hide.

Psy, can the ignore feature be set to block the IP of the person being ignored, so I don't have to read her shit when she "slips under the radar"?

Does CCM really stand for "Crack Craving Miranda"? 

[Anonymous]

Quote from: psy on Today at 02:54:59 AM

Need I mention the time, before I became an admin, that You violated the forum's confidence, gave me his IP address, and told me to disseminate it (which I didn't).  This was when he posted in the facilities questions forum.  You are such a fucking hypocrite, Che.  Maybe Angela is right about you.  I keep wondering how Benchmark knew we were coming and why most of the kids were already gone when we got there.  I don't trust you anymore, Che.  You go around spreading lies about me and others.  Is it personal, or professional, Che?

Reply from: Che before he edited it

I spent well over 2 grand on that  trip. I paid for your plane ticket. I paid for a huge chunk of the hotel bills. I paid for a load of other crap as well. I gave that one kid 300 bucks in cash. I took a bunch of money out of my savings and had it ready to pay for a bus ticket for every single one of those kids out of there. I lost money when Ginger kept changing her mind about her plane ticket and had to pay over 200 bucks to get it rerouted and then canceled. I still have never recouped the full value of that ticket.

Those are not the actions of a person who tipped them off.

Your irrational behavior frankly is starting to be of concern. First you called me a cult leader, and now you are claiming I'm the blame for tipping off Benchmark? Mike I think you really need to step back from the computer and take a break. Taking your cues from various unstable personalites in this field aren't helping you in anyway shape or form.

Note two very clear things:

1) I said it wouldn't surprise me if you had kept a record of IP addresses. I never said for sure that you did it. You seems to keep lengthy records of just about everything else that goes on so it only goes to figure that it is highly plausible. Your response isn't the sort that leads me to conclude that you are being entirely honest.


2) You told me that the hosting for fornits was being paid by yourself. So just how much Ginger's word in all of this matter seems a very wide open question.

I'm not at all interested in going back and forth with you. The damage collectively done by these arguements have put a great deal of fear into the posting population. If you want to discuss this further I'll be happy to do so in a civil manner. Your unfounded, and very nasty insinuations won't be welcome to this conversation either.

Berating other posters isn't helping you either. Step back away from the keyboard and let people draw their own conclusions without you attacking them with name calling, accusatons of loyalty, and other unhelpful tactics.

Seriously Mike.. You need a vacation or something.. What you've been doing these days isn't at all helpful. Have you been changing meds or something? Because the only thing I'm seeing here is a very disturbing trend of behavior. The kind of behavior I sort of expect out of my self after about `12 beers and a Xanax.

Juicy...

[psy]

Psy, can the ignore feature be set to block the IP of the person being ignored, so I don't have to read her shit when she "slips under the radar"?

Sadly, no.  And even if it were possible, I couldn't give you the IP to block.  You can, however, ignore all guest posts by adding "Guest" to your ignore list (but I wouldn't advise that).

[TheWho]

I would like to add - shut up, Miranda.  You're a troll, everyone knows it.  If you're going to act like an asshole, people have a right to address your bullshit.  But you hide.

Psy, can the ignore feature be set to block the IP of the person being ignored, so I don't have to read her shit when she "slips under the radar"?

Does CCM really stand for "Crack Craving Miranda"? 

We were all just told that Zens moderating privileges were limited to the YLF forum.  So how can he come over to the TTI forum and start outing people based on their IP addresses .  Zen, you just outed a survivor on an open forum because they disagree with you.  Why are you so pissed about people posting as a "guest" when you can read everyones IP#? 

Why is it not okay to post as a “guest”?  This is not something that is unique to internet forums or fornits.  Talk radio has had anonymous callers for decades.  People call in and say “This is Mike from Pittsburgh….”  They may or may not give their real name and the show host could check the id of the caller easily if they wanted and out them over the air, but they don’t, because first it isn’t right and secondly people would stop calling in.  Successful open forums (and talk radio) are built upon anonymity.

People say bad stuff about me all the time, but I don’t ask for or expect to get their IP addresses.  Of all the people having keys to fornits, you should be the last one because of your track record here and in other forums.

I think you know who this is just check my IP#.



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[Froderik]

Anyway, not my post above, btw. Hellooooooo, this person is waaaaay too smart, and uses much bigger words then me.

Yes, don't know why Zen thought that was you... I didn't think that post was written by you. It sounded more like TheWho to me, if anyone.

[Froderik]

I am also a regular, ex- or whatever, and not this person or CCMgirl who I don't agree with usually. But the IP collections and the disrespect for posters anonymity and the selective banning and hostile language coming out of moderators and administrators mouths have GOT to STOP if people are ever gonna trust fornits again. Ginger seems to be okay but the collective maturity of the rest of you running around with badges on your chests is that of a five year old. Adios amigos.

If you're a regular with a legit beef, why not log in?

I don't see anyone getting banned. (Ok maybe from the shoutbox, but not the forums.)

[ZenAgent]

I would like to add - shut up, Miranda.  You're a troll, everyone knows it.  If you're going to act like an asshole, people have a right to address your bullshit.  But you hide.

Psy, can the ignore feature be set to block the IP of the person being ignored, so I don't have to read her shit when she "slips under the radar"?

Does CCM really stand for "Crack Craving Miranda"? 

We were all just told that Zens moderating privileges were limited to the YLF forum.  So how can he come over to the TTI forum and start outing people based on their IP addresses .  Zen, you just outed a survivor on an open forum because they disagree with you.  Why are you so pissed about people posting as a "guest" when you can read everyones IP#? 

Why is it not okay to post as a “guest”?  This is not something that is unique to internet forums or fornits.  Talk radio has had anonymous callers for decades.  People call in and say “This is Mike from Pittsburgh….”  They may or may not give their real name and the show host could check the id of the caller easily if they wanted and out them over the air, but they don’t, because first it isn’t right and secondly people would stop calling in.  Successful open forums (and talk radio) are built upon anonymity.

People say bad stuff about me all the time, but I don’t ask for or expect to get their IP addresses.  Of all the people having keys to fornits, you should be the last one because of your track record here and in other forums.

I think you know who this is just check my IP#.



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Yeah...she's a survivor, alright.  Against WWASP, but pro-program, just like Sue Scheff.  Makes anonymous, false allegations so she doesn't have to back them up, and allies herself closely with the who.  I got enough PM's with background on "CCM" to know she's as believable as thewho.

How did I "out" somebody?  If it's posted openly on the internet, it's fair game.  Dude.   By the way, I can't see anyone's IP.  There's a good reason for that, because I would abuse that privilege to "out" you.  Just being honest.

Once again, the ignore feature is useless as long as the ignored slip by as anons.  Block their IP's so they're truly ignored.  Thewho and CCM are so desperate to be noticed, they'll do anything to get attention.  That's truly pathetic, trollish activity.

[Froderik]

Also, I forgot to mention!!!!!!! The altering of my posts, I really LOVED that!!!!!!

That happened when Che got admin privs and immediately abused them by deleting the ASR thread, Giving Niles admin privs (who, afaik, was the one to edit your posts) and generally raised all sorts of hell. He called this immature act of idiocy his "Jihad on Admins".  He's been nothing but a loose cannon on this forum, IMO, posting that he is drunk, on drugs, screwing hookers, etc... At the same time he acts like he wants parents to take what he has to say seriously...  Come on...

I'm not the first person to think that he does this on purpose but was unwilling to entertain the idea until he started going behind my back and lying about me.  I then looked closer and caught him lying about others...  I don't have to name names..  People are starting to figure this out on their own.

I don't think Niles should be disparaged for being real (himself), if he is in fact being real...
Nothing wrong with drinking, drugs, and illicit sex, IMHO...lol.

[psy]

I would like to add - shut up, Miranda.  You're a troll, everyone knows it.  If you're going to act like an asshole, people have a right to address your bullshit.  But you hide.

Psy, can the ignore feature be set to block the IP of the person being ignored, so I don't have to read her shit when she "slips under the radar"?

Does CCM really stand for "Crack Craving Miranda"? 

We were all just told that Zens moderating privileges were limited to the YLF forum.  So how can he come over to the TTI forum and start outing people based on their IP addresses .  Zen, you just outed a survivor on an open forum because they disagree with you.  Why are you so pissed about people posting as a "guest" when you can read everyones IP#

If Zen indeed did that, he's entitled to a spanking.  That being said, He can't see people's IP addresses outside of the PV YLF subforum.  He probably bluffed and the person then confirmed it.