Imagine a Program

[Anonymous]

Imagine a Program that kids actually wanted to attend. Here's one that's proving successful.

Scheme shows young a good life
Feb 19 2008 by Steve Dube, Western Mail

TROUBLED young people from Swansea are getting some grassroots training in simpler living.

The Down to Earth project ran two 12-week programmes for youngsters considered at risk of offending.

A £24,900 lottery grant funded a course involving activities ranging from dry-stone walling to making three-legged green woodwork stools.

“Getting the young people to attend was in itself a sign of the programme’s success, and the fact they kept turning up showed they were enjoying the course and got them into a solid routine, which all works towards breaking the cycle of re-offending,” said Mark McDonald, the project’s education coordinator.

The project has now been awarded another £235,000 from the National Lottery to enable 120 young people to take part in “wilderness therapy”. In the first programme of its kind in the UK, participants will learn bushcraft skills, visit Gower and take riding lessons.

http://icwales.icnetwork.co.uk:80/count ... -20491731/

Mark McDonald and Jen Hughes founded Down to Earth Project in 2005 based on an awareness that positive and real-life examples of “sustainable living” were few and far between.  Contrasting the negative publicity surrounding environmental concerns, we aim to provide engaging and simple approaches to “sustainable living” which anyone can learn and anyone can apply in their own lives… so the change can truly start on a grassroots level.

http://www.downtoearthproject.org.uk/ho ... earth.html

Courses
We offer a diverse range in tailor made courses for individuals or groups.  See ‘Learning’ for our range of workshops

We are home to the award winning ‘Glide Project’ – designed specifically for ‘hard to reach’ young people in developing self esteem and skills in Sustainable Development and Global Citizenship (ESDGC).  More information… (Glide logo hyperlink).

This year we are hosting a number of courses in Natural Building – cob, straw bale and lime rendering. Please contact us for further information.

We are hosting an Introduction to Permaculture Course on 7th/8th July 2007.  Please contact us for more information.

Please contact us for more information.

Global Youth Work Guide
http://www.cyfanfyd.org.uk/resources/pd ... _Guide.pdf

[wdtony]

Bad news, and any survivor can see why.

Tony

[TheWho]

Nice find, thank you
A few things jump out at me:

Imagine a Program that kids actually wanted to attend. Here's one that's proving successful.

Scheme shows young a good life
Feb 19 2008 by Steve Dube, Western Mail

TROUBLED young people from Swansea are getting some grassroots training in simpler living.

The Down to Earth project ran two 12-week programmes for youngsters considered at risk of offending.

A £24,900 lottery grant funded a course involving activities ranging from dry-stone walling to making three-legged green woodwork stools.

“Getting the young people to attend was in itself a sign of the programme’s success, and the fact they kept turning up showed they were enjoying the course and got them into a solid routine, which all works towards breaking the cycle of re-offending[/i],” said Mark McDonald, the project’s education coordinator.

The project has now been awarded another £235,000 from the National Lottery to enable 120 young people to take part in “wilderness therapy”. In the first programme of its kind in the UK, participants will learn bushcraft skills, visit Gower and take riding lessons.

http://icwales.icnetwork.co.uk:80/count ... -20491731/

Mark McDonald and Jen Hughes founded Down to Earth Project in 2005 based on an awareness that positive and real-life examples of “sustainable living” were few and far between.  Contrasting the negative publicity surrounding environmental concerns, we aim to provide engaging and simple approaches to “sustainable living” which anyone can learn and anyone can apply in their own lives… so the change can truly start on a grassroots level.

http://www.downtoearthproject.org.uk/ho ... earth.html

Courses
We offer a diverse range in tailor made courses for individuals or groups.  See ‘Learning’ for our range of workshops

We are home to the award winning ‘Glide Project’ – designed specifically for ‘hard to reach’ young people in developing self esteem and skills in Sustainable Development and Global Citizenship (ESDGC).  More information… (Glide logo hyperlink).

This year we are hosting a number of courses in Natural Building – cob, straw bale and lime rendering. Please contact us for further information.

We are hosting an Introduction to Permaculture Course on 7th/8th July 2007.  Please contact us for more information.

Please contact us for more information.

Global Youth Work Guide
http://www.cyfanfyd.org.uk/resources/pd ... _Guide.pdf

[DieYuppieSkum]

Who when you find shit like this you just jump for joy and are happier then a Guenna Pig in shit aren't you?

Let me explain something to you.

Seeing how I know for a fact that you are not a parent, and I myself went to three different types of these jokes of medicine all ranging from cake walk all the way to Nazi Camp.

Until there are strict guidelines and all facilities are monitored by the state of which they reside. All these centers REGARDLESS of how helpful they may be need to be shut down and redesigned.

That just how it has to be because so many of these places abused the privilege and responsibility of using "medicine" for business purposes.

And as all the ole folks in Tennessee say "one bad apple spoils the whole bunch"

[Froderik]

Yes, shut them down; coercion is abuse in and of itself...

D.Y.S. has definitely made some compelling statements here, Who...

[DieYuppieSkum]

Yeah I have, but leave it to the who to pull some bogus reason out of his ass and parade it around as a fact.

I don't know what you motive is who, I really don't.

But I am 99% sure that you are no parent, and for the slim chance you are one I can counter that uncertainty with the fact that your "daughter" in all practicality hates and despises you.

You can play all your little mind games you want here, you can repeat the same thing over and over like a retarded parrot. But the main point stays the same. THESE PLACES DO MORE BAD THEN GOOD.

I am not like Zen, Cause I am not a parent, I am not like Che Or Nhiles. (No offense to them)

I am one of P.V.'s fucking worst cases and fuck ups simply because I told them to go eat shit and die.

Because I was not willing to "work the program" because I knew it was mantra cult bullshit.

See the difference between you as a "parent" and my mother was that my poor misguided mum did have a handful when it came to me and my 7 other siblings. But th difference is that She had NO clue what these places were and ADMITS to it. Because of that she will never ever need to say shes sorry for sending me because she did not know, how could she? They made the place seem like camp snoopy.

But if you do have a daughter, YOU knew better, YOU knew what was going to happen and you sent her anyways and now you parade her success story around like some fucking show dog even though she has not ONCE stepped in here to make these claims of recovery for herself.

I say to you what I said to P.V. Staff the moment I walked in to STU

Eat shit and die who you toxic piece of snot.

[TheWho]

Who when you find shit like this you just jump for joy and are happier then a Guenna Pig in shit aren't you?

Yes I am.  Everytime I see people working towards helping kids who are in need and/or taking them in or making an attempt to make a difference in their lives… I jump for joy… unlike you who wait around for a child to be hurt or abused and then do nothing but regurgitate anger and hatred towards an entire industry.

Let me explain something to you.

Okay

Seeing how I know for a fact that you are not a parent,

Well you are wrong right off the bat with that one lets see how you do with the rest of your post

 

and I myself went to three different types of these jokes of medicine all ranging from cake walk all the way to Nazi Camp.

First of all, you try to sell us on the idea that all programs are alike and then you say above that you went to 3 programs which were all different.. so your credibility is almost nil here.

Until there are strict guidelines and all facilities are monitored by the state of which they reside. All these centers REGARDLESS of how helpful they may be need to be shut down and redesigned.

Great idea, very compassionate.

That just how it has to be because so many of these places abused the privilege and responsibility of using "medicine" for business purposes.

And as all the ole folks in Tennessee say "one bad apple spoils the whole bunch"

Hmmm, thanks DYS…whats that other Tennessee saying?  Oh yes, "your about as helpful as a back pocket on a shirt…. "



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[Froderik]

Say what you will about DYS, but I would have to agree with statements like, "THESE PLACES DO MORE BAD THAN GOOD."

TheWho, do you think that unwarranted coercion is ever ok?

[TheWho]

Say what you will about DYS, but I would have to agree with statements like, "THESE PLACES DO MORE BAD THAN GOOD."

TheWho, do you think that unwarranted coercion is ever ok?

I think we are all 99% sure that DYS never attended any program except maybe a local 30 day rehab of some sort.  If he had he would be showing at least a little social compassion towards other kids who are getting some help in an out patient setting.  He is here like niles is ... this is just a place for him to dump his hatred.

As far as the coercion goes, if it is unwarranted than I dont believe it is okay.



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[Anonymous]

As far as the coercion goes, if it is unwarranted than I dont believe it is okay.

WTF does that mean?  Its OK to coerce them as long as you think its warranted?  Am I hearing you correctly?

[Anonymous]

Therapy requires trust.  Trust is non-existent where coercion is present, therefore "coerced therapy" is an oxy-moron.

[Anonymous]

Say what you will about DYS, but I would have to agree with statements like, "THESE PLACES DO MORE BAD THAN GOOD."

TheWho, do you think that unwarranted coercion is ever ok?

I think we are all 99% sure that DYS never attended any program except maybe a local 30 day rehab of some sort.  If he had he would be showing at least a little social compassion towards other kids who are getting some help in an out patient setting.  He is here like niles is ... this is just a place for him to dump his hatred.

As far as the coercion goes, if it is unwarranted than I dont believe it is okay.



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Who, you should refrain from attacking the survivors posting here.  After all, they deserve to be heard, don't you think?  Don't take the freedom of speech you have on this forum for granted.  This isn't StrugglingTeens, all can speak.  You do seem to be losing your composure, perhaps you need to take a break or call for an early replacement for your trolling shift.  DYS was in Peninsula Village for a long time, his opinion of programs is far more informed than yours - he's been through one of the worst, not read about it on a computer monitor.  He knows about escort services first-hand, as well. 

In all fairness, DYS's views have a value yours never will, and your erroneous and mean-spirited attempt to belittle his experience in an abusive program makes you look intolerant and obtuse.  Normally you apologize after such an angry outburst.  This would be a good time to show some civility and tolerance, and you owe the young man an apology.

[Oz girl]

On the face of it I don't have a problem with something like this. If it is largely something a young person wants to do and there are sensible safety measures & it is non punitive then fine. Especially if the so called "therapy" is in the participation as opposed to a bunch of forced random activities & mind games designed to "push the limits"
Obviously I would never endorse something because it is hard to know what goes on without being there but if this is genuinely what it says it is then it looks like a good opportunity for any kid "at risk" or otherwise.
WD tony what are your concerns?

[TheWho]

Say what you will about DYS, but I would have to agree with statements like, "THESE PLACES DO MORE BAD THAN GOOD."

TheWho, do you think that unwarranted coercion is ever ok?

I think we are all 99% sure that DYS never attended any program except maybe a local 30 day rehab of some sort.  If he had he would be showing at least a little social compassion towards other kids who are getting some help in an out patient setting.  He is here like niles is ... this is just a place for him to dump his hatred.

As far as the coercion goes, if it is unwarranted than I dont believe it is okay.



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Who, you should refrain from attacking the survivors posting here.  After all, they deserve to be heard, don't you think?  Don't take the freedom of speech you have on this forum for granted.  This isn't StrugglingTeens, all can speak.  You do seem to be losing your composure, perhaps you need to take a break or call for an early replacement for your trolling shift.  DYS was in Peninsula Village for a long time, his opinion of programs is far more informed than yours - he's been through one of the worst, not read about it on a computer monitor.  He knows about escort services first-hand, as well. 

In all fairness, DYS's views have a value yours never will, and your erroneous and mean-spirited attempt to belittle his experience in an abusive program makes you look intolerant and obtuse.  Normally you apologize after such an angry outburst.  This would be a good time to show some civility and tolerance, and you owe the young man an apology.

You spoke too quickly... read his post to me first... I was just returning the words... they were all his not mine.

I havent received an appology yet!!



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[Froderik]

As far as the coercion goes, if it is unwarranted than I dont believe it is okay.

WTF does that mean?  Its OK to coerce them as long as you think its warranted?  Am I hearing you correctly?

After some consideration, I added the word "unwarranted" to that question for a reason: things like putting someone away for a legitimate crime would be an example of warranted coercion; not shanghaiing some kid off to have his mind fucked  and/or to be abused physically..... just to clarify............