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BROTHER'S KEEPER Bullshit

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Anonymous:
The funny thing is that crass opportunism at Hyde is called courage, curiosity, concern, leadership, and some fifth thing.

Ursus:
Ah... I had forgotten about Prisoner's Dilemma. I've never been too good at those kinds of games, when they are cloaked with vestiges too analogous to real life. I prefer my games a bit more abstract.

There are a number of these "ethical dilemmas" that became popular, it would appear, in tandem with the Human Potential movement. Another is the "Lifeboat Dilemma," which, in fact, made it into the cult protocol at CEDU, with similar versions at WWASP and Daytop. Probably others as well. Did Hyde ever do it? I can't remember...

I believe these were once supposed to be philosophical exercises, perhaps a part of some motivational coaching endeavor or leadership training, or a means to foster greater cohesion amongst co-workers. I don't think they were originally meant to be foisted upon a vulnerable adolescent population, many of whom have some serious self-esteem issues, not to mention drug problems, psych histories, abusive home environments (which Hyde would not always deal with, at least back then), etc. etc.

The net result, IMO, is innately destructive. Maybe even lethal in certain kids' cases. Certainly, "emotional growth" is not assured and quite possibly, but incidental to some greater harm.

Anonymous:
A recent Hyde grad, Billy Pro, said somewhere in this Hyde forum that Joe compared “Brother’s Keeper” to the Prisoner’s Dilemma. It’s reasonable to assume that Joe was arguing that if you inform on your peer, you’ll not only be doing him a favor (the Brother’s Keeper aspect), you’ll also be doing yourself a favor (the Prisoner’s Dilemma aspect). Well, that’s false, logically speaking; but you’ll definitely be doing Hyde a favor. Joe’s singular aim is to get the kids to carry out his normative prescriptions. A school in which the kids are part of the enforcement mechanism together with the staff is the most effective kind of behavior modification model.

Anonymous:

--- Quote from: "Albert Tucker" ---A school in which the kids are part of the enforcement mechanism together with the staff is the most effective kind of behavior modification model.
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Oh, I would call it a lot more than just your run of the mill "behavior modification." I would call it "thought reform." That place sought to supplant your entire value system and concept of good and evil with their own. And, I should add, their system has very little to do with good or evil, or whatever they call "character." It has everything to do with buying the company policy, body and soul, and to cease thinking for yourself, or anyone else for that matter. "Stop your stinkin' thinkin', boy!"

Ursus:
LOL. Here's that Billy Procida post, plus the one immediately following. It was in the Happy Birthday Joe thread, from April 2007:


--- Quote from: "Guest" ---
--- Quote from: "billy procida" ---true story i got a good laugh over that pic...i gotta admit. he's a funny guy to watch during a meeting. there's def. a generation gap (or 2!), like when we had a meeting and he did the prisoner's dilemma and was saying, "now would you finger yourself? or would you finger the other guy?" the whole student body broke out laughing, not even the most ontrack senior could hold it in...haha that was 2 years ago...wow
- billy pro '07
38 days
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Joe's using game theory to teach brother's keeper? It could be the ignoble start of a glorious career.
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