Christopher Columbus of Cults

[ajax13]

The personal life of the physician to whom I think you are referring is beyond the scope of my understanding and knowledge.  From a personal standpoint, I find it stunning that this person managed to raise a child who was resorting to the use of marijuana at age 11.  While this is anecdotal, the only kids I knew smoking reefer at 11 came from seriously troubled homes, where they suffered from negelct, physical abuse or sexual predation.  Why this particular doctor's son was on the green at 11 is known only to the boy in question.
However, you are quite entitled to embrace your opinion of a doctor who chose to pay to have her son forced to confess, pray and listen to music in order to cure his alleged addicition to marijuana.  My opinion is that some serious cognitive disonnance is at work.  
Again, feel free to provide a detailed physician's analysis of the treatment modality at AARC, from the confessions of sexual history to the forced prayer, to Zero Club, to the forced idolatry of handing oneself over to the "higher power".  But please, make sure that the physician is not an AARC board member, AARC parent, or consultant to any private addiction treatment centres.
I await with baited breath the judgement of any unaffiliated physician when it comes to the effectiveness of listening to Joan Osborne or G 'n' R in rehabillitating teen marijuana addicts.

[TheWho]

I await with baited breath the judgement of any unaffiliated physician when it comes to the effectiveness of listening to Joan Osborne or G 'n' R in rehabillitating teen marijuana addicts.

I went to a hypnotist who played a combination of Boz Scaggs and Carly Simon when I went to one to quit smoking once, If that helps any.  It worked for awhile.

[ajax13]

Did you stay at the hypnotists every day and spend every night in the homes of other clients for six months?  While staying in these homes, was the client with more time in hypnosis put in charge of you, locking you in their room, complete with barred windows, every night?  Were you forced to pray and accept a high power in order to advance from the first phase, and thus progress to some degree of freedom in the hope of one day being allowed out of the hypnosis program?

[TheWho]

Did you stay at the hypnotists every day and spend every night in the homes of other clients for six months?  While staying in these homes, was the client with more time in hypnosis put in charge of you, locking you in their room, complete with barred windows, every night?  Were you forced to pray and accept a high power in order to advance from the first phase, and thus progress to some degree of freedom in the hope of one day being allowed out of the hypnosis program?

Wow, you are intense... omm, I dont really know, maybe.  I was hypnotized at the time, so I cant say for sure.  I didnt lose any weight, but then I was only there for smoking.  My friends said I was only gone a few hours, but they could have been goofing on me.

[ajax13]

As your experience does not seem to have much in common with people held in Straight-type programs, such as AARC, what was your point?  You are aware that this is a forum related to Straight and Straight descended programs, are you not?  So again, what does your few hours at a hypnotist have to do with being held for months in a faclity in which you are allowed no contact with family or friends, no use of a telephone, and are forced to accept a particular religious view in order to advance through the program and eventually gain your freedom?

[TheWho]

As your experience does not seem to have much in common with people held in Straight-type programs, such as AARC, what was your point?  You are aware that this is a forum related to Straight and Straight descended programs, are you not?  So again, what does your few hours at a hypnotist have to do with being held for months in a faclity in which you are allowed no contact with family or friends, no use of a telephone, and are forced to accept a particular religious view in order to advance through the program and eventually gain your freedom?

Have you ever experienced hypnotism?

[ajax13]

Can't say that I was ever that gullible.  My grandmother was a fortune teller who read tea leaves, tarot cards and even healed people with a physiotherapy machine that emitted low doses of electricity to the patients.  I've been conditioned to recognize a quack at 200 yards.

[Anonymous]

The personal life of the physician to whom I think you are referring is beyond the scope of my understanding and knowledge.  

Honey, you are the one providing just such information on this phsycian who wrote the article which was provided by link above (the link you provided , BTW)

From a personal standpoint, I find it stunning that this person managed to raise a child who was resorting to the use of marijuana at age 11.  While this is anecdotal, the only kids I knew smoking reefer at 11 came from seriously troubled homes, where they suffered from negelct, physical abuse or sexual predation.  Why this particular doctor's son was on the green at 11 is known only to the boy in question.

spoken like a leading expert of anecdotal comment on addiction  LOL

Again, feel free to provide a detailed physician's analysis of the treatment modality at AARC, from the confessions of sexual history to the forced prayer, to Zero Club, to the forced idolatry of handing oneself over to the "higher power".  But please, make sure that the physician is not an AARC board member, AARC parent, or consultant to any private addiction treatment centres.

and the only people that hold the truth are your delinquent friends whose actions put them infront of a judge on numerous occasions. . hmmmmm  they sound really trustwrotthy sources to me roflmao  


I await with baited breath the judgement of any non-juvenile delinquent that was up on armed robbery charges in the early adolescent stage of their life. You know that little girl from medicine hat that killed her family with her 21 yr. old BF - your sources are similar!

[ajax13]

Honey, it's not my fault that you put your kid in AARC.  It was incumbent upon you to look out for the kid and instead you gave him to a quack phys ed teacher with his hijacked cult.  And then, after subjecting your child to that mind-fuck, you still haven't owned up to your responsibility, instead trying to attack me because I'm willing to speak the truth about your shitty decision.
By the way, I never claimed to be an expert on anything.  I simply believe that the parent bears responsibility when an 11 year old starts sparking up the herb.  If my child were toking at 11, I would know that I had seriously fucked up and wouldn't blame it on a disease.  I also would not foist my kid off onto a phys ed teacher who claims to have discovered the secret to drug rehabillitation after he left an infamously abusive cult.
But that's just me, Sweetheart.

[Anonymous]

Honey, it's not my fault that you put your kid in AARC.  It was incumbent upon you to look out for the kid and instead you gave him to a quack phys ed teacher with his hijacked cult.  And then, after subjecting your child to that mind-fuck, you still haven't owned up to your responsibility, instead trying to attack me because I'm willing to speak the truth about your shitty decision.

Sorry you got me confused with your GF's mommy - I haven't put any of my kids through AARC . . but you just keep telling yourself those funny stories.

By the way, I never claimed to be an expert on anything.  I simply believe that the parent bears responsibility when an 11 year old starts sparking up the herb.  If my child were toking at 11, I would know that I had seriously fucked up and wouldn't blame it on a disease.  I also would not foist my kid off onto a phys ed teacher who claims to have discovered the secret to drug rehabillitation after he left an infamously abusive cult.
But that's just me, Sweetheart.

so back to the task at hand - the point being that your sources are highly suspect and reasonable people would tend to listen to a family physician rather than a juvenile delinquent.

BTW you like subjecting your kid to the mentality of someone who (before AARC) kept ending up in trouble with the cops and up on some serious charges. If I allowed  my child around someone with that kind of background, I would know that I had seriously fucked up  . . .  I also WOULD foist my kid off onto a phys ed teacher rather than a notorious little juvy .

[ajax13]

As there is no way to tell which of you AARColytes is which, I'm going to go with my hunch that you're the crazy AARC mother who was posting here in the summer.  Again, you gave your kid to a phys teacher and his cult, and pretended that the kid was receiving drug treatment.  Now that it is quite apparent that you blew it, you've latched onto the cult and are lashing out at me because I'm willing to speak the truth about the cult.
Sucks to be you.

[Anonymous]

As there is no way to tell which of you AARColytes is which, I'm going to go with my hunch that you're the crazy AARC mother who was posting here in the summer.  Again, you gave your kid to a phys teacher and his cult, and pretended that the kid was receiving drug treatment.  Now that it is quite apparent that you blew it, you've latched onto the cult and are lashing out at me because I'm willing to speak the truth about the cult.
Sucks to be you.

And despite of you veiled attempts to avoid the focus of this discussion - you show how inept you truly are. whenever someone exposes your true inabilty to reason you switch to the ridiculous accusations that they are an AARC parent and then berate them for sending their kids to AARC etc etc and despite the fact that your information comes from a juvenile deliquent LOLOLOL

nope, i am not a 'crazy AARC mother" (or "bitch from last summer" as you called me in another post). But I am obviously someone that rings your bell  BECAUSE anytime you can't come up with an answer to a direct assertion that makes complete sense you degenerate to riciulous assertions about things that have nothing to do with stream of comments that incorporate the posts in question.

So, for those 'following at home'  - wasn't this about the credibility of a family physicain VS Ajax's juvvy   GF . . .hmmmmm  :beat:

[Anonymous]

I read both the articles. It just does not make sense. One says this Vause guy started AARC and the other one says the Rotary club government and parents started it and only hired Vause! One of them has to be wrong

As requested previously, find a physician's analysis of AARC from someone who isn't an AARC parent, AARC board member, or consultant to private treatment facilities. And by the way, I certainly do question a physician parent whose 11 year old develops a dependence on marijuana.

I've been looking around and there is NO mainstream literature available referring clinets to AARC!

211 won't recomment them, aadac won't either. Street survival guide and youth guide books have no mention of AARC at all.

IF the program has this 90% success rate and If this patton guy and that doctor endorse the program so much why isn't it listed anywhere as a resource?

 :bs:

[Anonymous]

   ajax13 wrote:So you're saying that these unlicensed amateurs, the Wiz, the Clinicals, and Peer Counselors included, are performing a medical intervention of some kind at AARC?



huh . . can you read and comprehend english or not??

    Does this then constitute performing a Restricted Activity? If it does, then they are breaking the law since none of these people is legally permitted to perform such Restricted Activity.



huh again?

You don't remember your own comments? You clearly speak of a medical doctor and other professionals giving their expert endorsement of the addiction treatment at AARC.

Your comments:

VERY interesting newsletter with a physician extolling the value of AARC and AARC methods. so, AJaX you provided a link to a DOCTOR's opinion of AARC . . .hmmmm seems very positive to me. You keep ranting that Vause does not have a medical license but then you provide the testimony of a person WITH a medical license that praises the work done at AARC

[Anonymous]

You don't remember your own comments? You clearly speak of a medical doctor and other professionals giving their expert endorsement of the addiction treatment at AARC.

your name needs to be changed from 'unreal' to 'IQ=45' - read the links provided, which start the conversation you just stumbled into and try your hardest to follow the conversation - medical doctor that did a residency in family practice (therefore is not only a MD but a CCFP) publishes article in peer-reviewed medical journal extolling the  value of AARC for treating addicted adolescents.  but oh-so-brilliant-ajax prefers to source juvenile delinquents for information. Now your hero, AJAX posted the newsletter that included the reference to the Canadian Family Physician Vol.52 2006 article  not me!!  I was just wondering if you and he are dealing with only a couple poorly communicating brain cells. He prefers to listen to juvenile delinquents than professionals that get published in medical journals??   :jawdrop: