Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Hyde Schools
Re: HAPA
Maximillian:
OK, see you later, Danny. Can't wait to hear your response :shamrock: :shamrock: :shamrock: :shamrock: :shamrock:
Ursus:
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--- Quote from: "Samara" ---Heretik: Just curious about the following - not in a rancorous way.
What about:
1. NDA's
2. No way out
3. Blind adherence to the weekend "program"
4. Does it use ridicule and humiliation to coerce change?
5. Does it try and force you to accept their interpretation of your reality or past events?
Can you challenge or opt out if you disagree or something just isn't jibing for you? Can you honestly the leader is not some narcissist with Guru Fantasies?
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Samara, I will be back later tonight to answer. OK. Have to go for now.
See ya.
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Yes yes. Better do some more fact-checking first ... with some of yer "warrior" friends who are a lil more in the know, eh?
Speaking of spin...
--- Quote from: "heretik" ---Yes, the weekend does have a "sweat" towards the end. You are asked to bring in the burdens of others, the pain of others and to ask, "mother earth" to help you with this pain you carry for others. I at first had a hard time understanding this concept, primarily because I came to each of my first 10 sweats with so much of my own pain but as time moved and my pain subsided I began to think of others and there burdens. I wanted to help in whatever way I could, some who I loved, I wanted to carry there pain with them. I became more intimate with people and nature through these sweats (which now are literally in the hundreds).
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Hundreds??!! Over what period of time? Even for, say, a period of a decade, "hundreds" translates into at least twenty per year, which is generally not the pace opted for when it comes to ruminating on "deep spiritual insights," let alone experiencing "6 hour rolfing massages" with subsequent delusions of levitation as a bonus.
That is... unless you're addicted to it! Are you SURE your electrolytes are still in balance??! :D Altered states can be achieved through a variety of ways and means, not necessarily dependent on the imbibing of narcotic substances...
--- Quote from: "heretik" ---Yes, people are told about the weekend as much as you can but still you really can not explain enough to prepare one for this weekend. Like I said it is brutal.
Then you come out the other end and you feel weightless, like a 6 hour rolfing massage you levitate after your done. Have you ever ran a marathon, biked long distance, worked incredibly long hours to get a project done, stayed up night after night with a sick baby, well then you know. Try all of this in a weekend.... :rofl: only kidding but close.
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Listen I am not sure why you are acting in this manner but I see no need to talk to me like this. I did not know that my word would be subjected to such inquiry. I have no need to lie or embellish. I received a email/Pm the other night, I have noticed you are also a moderator. Let me make myself clear please, I am not this person. So please stop with the subtle sarcasm, if you have a question just ask.
Let me explain myself a little better, my first sweat I did was at a Nordic Lodge with a Finnish family. Some people would confuse this to a steam room but in fact they were carrying out a Indian ritual, I was 14 years old, that was over 40 years ago. I said hundreds Ursus, I believe I was being moderate. It is not uncommon for people to sweat on a weekly bases, which would then put the number at 52 per year x 10 years, that would be hundreds. I have been sweating for 40 years with a average of 30 times a year, some years less then others.
Addiction to sweating well if this is how you choose to see it, I would say fine. I could find more destructive venues to be hung up on.
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"The lady doth protest too much ... methinks." [/list]
Anne Bonney:
--- Quote from: "heretik" ---Listen I am not sure why you are acting in this manner but I see no need to talk to me like this. I did not know that my word would be subjected to such inquiry. I have no need to lie or embellish. I received a email/Pm the other night, I have noticed you are also a moderator. Let me make myself clear please, I am not this person. So please stop with the subtle sarcasm, if you have a question just ask.
Let me explain myself a little better, my first sweat I did was at a Nordic Lodge with a Finnish family. Some people would confuse this to a steam room but in fact they were carrying out a Indian ritual, I was 14 years old, that was over 40 years ago. I said hundreds Ursus, I believe I was being moderate. It is not uncommon for people to sweat on a weekly bases, which would then put the number at 52 per year x 10 years, that would be hundreds. I have been sweating for 40 years with a average of 30 times a year, some years less then others.
Addiction to sweating well if this is how you choose to see it, I would say fine. I could find more destructive venues to be hung up on.
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What you're describing and what James Ray was doing are two very different animals.
I still don't get this 'guru chasing' culture.
Ursus:
--- Quote from: "Anne Bonney" ---
--- Quote from: "heretik" ---Listen I am not sure why you are acting in this manner but I see no need to talk to me like this. I did not know that my word would be subjected to such inquiry. I have no need to lie or embellish. I received a email/Pm the other night, I have noticed you are also a moderator. Let me make myself clear please, I am not this person. So please stop with the subtle sarcasm, if you have a question just ask.
Let me explain myself a little better, my first sweat I did was at a Nordic Lodge with a Finnish family. Some people would confuse this to a steam room but in fact they were carrying out a Indian ritual, I was 14 years old, that was over 40 years ago. I said hundreds Ursus, I believe I was being moderate. It is not uncommon for people to sweat on a weekly bases, which would then put the number at 52 per year x 10 years, that would be hundreds. I have been sweating for 40 years with a average of 30 times a year, some years less then others.
Addiction to sweating well if this is how you choose to see it, I would say fine. I could find more destructive venues to be hung up on.
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What you're describing and what James Ray was doing are two very different animals.
I still don't get this 'guru chasing' culture.
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I agree, Anne. For that matter, doing a sweat in a Finnish or Nordic steam house / sauna, or however heretik chooses to describe it, is also a lot different than the sweat that takes place during the New Warrior Training Adventure (or TAW).
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Fwiw, for reasons of relevance, a currently active thread re. the James Ray sweat lodge tragedy that occurred last year:
* aparently, adults want to go to programs too
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=28923
heretik:
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--- Quote from: "heretik" ---Listen I am not sure why you are acting in this manner but I see no need to talk to me like this. I did not know that my word would be subjected to such inquiry. I have no need to lie or embellish. I received a email/Pm the other night, I have noticed you are also a moderator. Let me make myself clear please, I am not this person. So please stop with the subtle sarcasm, if you have a question just ask.
Let me explain myself a little better, my first sweat I did was at a Nordic Lodge with a Finnish family. Some people would confuse this to a steam room but in fact they were carrying out a Indian ritual, I was 14 years old, that was over 40 years ago. I said hundreds Ursus, I believe I was being moderate. It is not uncommon for people to sweat on a weekly bases, which would then put the number at 52 per year x 10 years, that would be hundreds. I have been sweating for 40 years with a average of 30 times a year, some years less then others.
Addiction to sweating well if this is how you choose to see it, I would say fine. I could find more destructive venues to be hung up on.
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What you're describing and what James Ray was doing are two very different animals.
--- Quote ---I am not sure what you mean by this statement?
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I still don't get this 'guru chasing' culture.
--- Quote ---I am not chasing Guru's Anne. Don't see the need for one.
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