Parents who put their kids in program don't care about them

[Anonymous]

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Many here dont understand you.  Most of the posters here had full scholrships to an ivy league school and never did anything wrong.  They respected their parents rules, didnt do drugs, never told a lie or over stepped the boundaries.
For some unknown reason their parents took loans out on their homes and sent them to a program.  Maybe their parents enjoyed being in debt or wanted to work an extra couple of years before retirement.
All we really know is the results of the childs life is clearly the fault of the parents, anyone can see that.[/quote]

Lol this is not my child. I don't think she will even finish HS the way she is going. I understand all go through periods of rebellion in their teens and eventually come around. The crap that has been going on in our house has been going on for two years. Yep I have made my share of mistakes and have made many changes through family therapy. However  I will no longer take responsibility for her choices or be blamed for her actions. At 18 she is out of the house and on our own. Right now hubby and I just need to do what we need to for ourselves. I pity those parents that sent their kids away when there wasn't a need. I am sure most don't understand they are to wounded

[Botched Programming]

So all the kids are acting normally and all of a sudden someone comes knocking on the door selling programs and the parents postpone their retirement and take a second mortgage on their home.  How do they choose which child to send…Hmmm lets choose straws….maybe little junior.  The rest of us can skip our family vacation together so that we can afford to send junior to a program.  Why does one of use have to go to a program, Dad?
Well, because this man at the door says so.

I don’t think you are going to get many readers to buy it, Botched.      

(1) If not many readers are going to buy it, then why are many of our opinions and experiences that we share here too much alike???

(2) If there is no truth and validity to what I have said, then why do you feel the need to try and defend the programs???

You seem to be able to ignore anonymous postings like the one that was wrote by "TBS Yuppie Scum" which no one would actually believe, however you jump quickly to hide the truth.

[TheWho]

Seems everyone is debating on whether or not the child needs to go to a program.  The majority of the kids on the board seem to think it is all in the parents mind and there is nothing wrong with them.  This is a typical childs reaction… I thought my folks were always wrong too.
But bottom line is the parents are in charge, if they see something wrong  they are going to seek a solution for their child… the kid has little to say  in the matter.. the same as if the child had a broken arm they are not going to discuss whether or not the child should see a doctor…they are going to seek advice and do the right thing.  If the child objects they will console him/her the best they can but they still need to get to the hospital, especially if they care for their child.

Up to 30,000 children benefit from programs each year and a hand full are not and that is what you are reading here.  Very few kids are abused in programs, in my opinion, because they would come out naming names and holding peoples feet to the fire instead of being obscure and blaming the industry as a whole.

If someone abused me when I was a teen, especially in school, people would know it!!  I would write his name in bold letters across the sky until I got my day in court and I would watch them cuff him and carry him off to rot in jail….. but you don’t see that passion here… abuse has been redefined here to mean things like not having a cell phone or moving wood across the property, only being able to talk to their parents once per week (for many it is more than they talked to them when they were home)… but anyway I think in all fairness to the readers it is important to keep it all in perspective.



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[Oz girl]

I think making any blanket generalization is hard to do. It seems many send their kids because they feel they are helping. It is hard to believe so many parents would spend that sort of money if they did not.  Even the bogan option that is WWASP costs the same amount as a year at a reasonable american university. Unfortunately, however it is an industry that does also make it easy for the callous, lazy or just twisted to throw away a kid at the first hint of trouble.

There is also the complicating factor of the Zero Tolerance movement. This does have real consequences for kids that can be life changing. Such an environment gives parents much to fear but also makes young people look disproportionally troubled. It changes the social landscape. This industry has grown with the zero tolerance movement. Get rid of this policy disaster and you can do some real damage to the industry

[Botched Programming]

Seems everyone is debating on whether or not the child needs to go to a program.  The majority of the kids on the board seem to think it is all in the parents mind and there is nothing wrong with them.  This is a typical childs reaction… I thought my folks were always wrong too.
But bottom line is the parents are in charge, if they see something wrong  they are going to seek a solution for their child… the kid has little to say  in the matter.. the same as if the child had a broken arm they are not going to discuss whether or not the child should see a doctor…they are going to seek advice and do the right thing.  If the child objects they will console him/her the best they can but they still need to get to the hospital, especially if they care for their child.

Up to 30,000 children benefit from programs each year and a hand full are not and that is what you are reading here.  Very few kids are abused in programs, in my opinion, because they would come out naming names and holding peoples feet to the fire instead of being obscure and blaming the industry as a whole.

If someone abused me when I was a teen, especially in school, people would know it!!  I would write his name in bold letters across the sky until I got my day in court and I would watch them cuff him and carry him off to rot in jail….. but you don’t see that passion here… abuse has been redefined here to mean things like not having a cell phone or moving wood across the property, only being able to talk to their parents once per week (for many it is more than they talked to them when they were home)… but anyway I think in all fairness to the readers it is important to keep it all in perspective.



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Oh my God Who.....

You are all freaking talk. Here we are finally getting info out to people, (partially due to the botched up programming that was done to us during our experiences, partially due to technology of today) and you basicly call us liars.

If you would have been sent to a program when you were a teenager, people would not have believed you, because at that point you have been labeled, programmed, and the parent's being programmed as well (This is where you partially fit as you are a supposedly a program parent, as well as the other catagory, you are having program dollars hit your pocket for providing damage control).

Why not go and preach to the people on pro-program chat boards where you would be tolerated and maybe accepted, oh yeah..... I forgot you are on the payroll and would not get paid for "Preaching to the Choir."

But in all seriousness, you should consult a therapist and discuss this problem that you have with coming here to a place where nobody likes you, or agrees with you, even if it is open to the public. In your participating with ongoing confrontations with everybody you are displaying traits of Meglomania. You are constantly desiring battle with anyone who will engage. And you have a problem admitting defeat when you have lost the battle. (You lie to yourself.)

And all of this for what, so you can do your job at damage control for programs and put a dollar in your pocket.

High price to pay.... The loss of sanity to make a dollar.

[Anonymous]

If someone abused me when I was a teen, especially in school, people would know it!!  I would write his name in bold letters across the sky until I got my day in court and I would watch them cuff him and carry him off to rot in jail….. ...

Saying you are abused won't get you help, and your abusers punished.

A girl I know escaped a torture-cult, reported her abuse to a hospital. Instead of removing her from the environment until it was proved safe, and open a court case, the police merely sent her back.

Why? Why are abusers not punished and kids not protected?

Firstly, there is corruption. These cults have a lot of money. They pay off officials. BAIN Capital owns aspen education. BAIN funds, and is founded by the former gov of Utah, current pres candidate, Mitt Romney. Mel Wassermann, of cedu, paid off the local authorities and hospitals.

Secondly, there's the wealth of the torture-cults intimidating honest and brave DAs. Winning court battles against cults is difficult because of their money, and DA's don't pursue hard to win cases that may end their careers, or success in subsequent lawsuits that the cults inevitably file, punitively. (Michael Desisto v Massachusetts)

Thirdly, there's that by the time kids are strong enough to come forward, 5- 10 years have passed, along with the statute of limitations.

Fourthly, authorities are u unwilling or unclear on how to penalize abductors who, with the permission of guardians, kidnap humans and torture them

 Up until the 60s, no cases were prosecuted against husbands who raped their wives. Not until a lawsuit filed against the state reached the Supreme Court which ruled that crimes of rape within marriages had to be penalized, was the law enforced. Did husbands not rape wives before the 1960s, or did the establishment did not protect these victims?

 The answer’s obvious. The officials didn’t provide protection and justice to an already vulnerable population segment. The same scenario is now being enacted with the torture cults of Cedu, Desisto, Kids, Straight, Aspen ed. etc.

You say "if you were abused as a teen" you’d have your abusers in prison, as if your idea about “what you would do if you were in our shoesâ€

[TheWho]

You say "if you were abused as a teen" you’d have your abusers in prison, as if your idea about “what you would do if you were in our shoesâ€

[Anonymous]

You say "if you were abused as a teen" you’d have your abusers in prison, as if your idea about “what you would do if you were in our shoesâ€

[TheWho]

When that kid talked about being abused by TB, you made fun of him, remember? Do you not remember that?

Ha,Ha,Ha  he was trolling, you dont know that but I do.  Dont fall for every story.



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[Anonymous]

So, you are saying he is lying, even though he gave the name of the program.

 So, when kids don't give the name of the program that abused them they are lying, but if they do give the name of the program that abused them they are lying?

Your purpose is  to plant that seed of doubt in the uninvolved reader's mind that everyone is lying. That is the only reasonable explanation for your "conclusion" that it not giving names means the kid is lying, and then saying that even if they do give names they are lying.

[TheWho]

It's been explained to you that kids have gone to the police and nothing has been done. Others do not name their abusers here because they don't want to jepordize possible lawsuits.

Look, if someone abused you they cannot sue you for talking about it, unless of course you twist the definition of the word.  If you were truly abused by the legal definition of the word just say so and call the guy out.
If you were forced to study for 2 hours every night or finish your dinner or carry wood then yes you could have a problem calling a person an abuser and you could be sued.  I think this is why many keep quiet is because they were forced to do things that they didnt want to do and they are pissed but it wasnt abuse.



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[Anonymous]

Who, how much does Bain capital pay you to advocate for aspen education?

Or, are you a woker for HLA who was destroyed by this forum, creating your pathologically chronic posting, telling everyone here they are lying?

[Anonymous]

It's been explained to you that kids have gone to the police and nothing has been done. Others do not name their abusers here because they don't want to jepordize possible lawsuits.

Look, if someone abused you they cannot sue you for talking about it, unless of course you twist the definition of the word.  If you were truly abused by the legal definition of the word just say so and call the guy out.
If you were forced to study for 2 hours every night or finish your dinner or carry wood then yes you could have a problem calling a person an abuser and you could be sued.  I think this is why many keep quiet is because they were forced to do things that they didnt want to do and they are pissed but it wasnt abuse.



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Asshole, people aren't afraid of being sued, they're afraid of jepordizing their own cases where THEY sue

[TheWho]

So, you are saying he is lying, even though he gave the name of the program.

 So, when kids don't give the name of the program that abused them they are lying, but if they do give the name of the program that abused them they are lying?

Your purpose is  to plant that seed of doubt in the uninvolved reader's mind that everyone is lying. That is the only reasonable explanation for your "conclusion" that it not giving names means the kid is lying, and then saying that even if they do give names they are lying.

Ha,Ha,Ha,  no calm down.  I am talking about one person, not everyone.  He was trolling, but everyone wants to believe the abuse stories so much no one even questioned it.  It was sort of interesting actually to sit back and watch, if that had been a parent telling his/her success story they would have been grilled from all angles and everyone would have had the troll meter set to "10" !!



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[TheWho]

It's been explained to you that kids have gone to the police and nothing has been done. Others do not name their abusers here because they don't want to jepordize possible lawsuits.

Look, if someone abused you they cannot sue you for talking about it, unless of course you twist the definition of the word.  If you were truly abused by the legal definition of the word just say so and call the guy out.
If you were forced to study for 2 hours every night or finish your dinner or carry wood then yes you could have a problem calling a person an abuser and you could be sued.  I think this is why many keep quiet is because they were forced to do things that they didnt want to do and they are pissed but it wasnt abuse.



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Asshole, people aren't afraid of being sued, they're afraid of jepordizing their own cases where THEY sue

No they are not, if they post anonymously.



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