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« Reply #15 on: July 05, 2003, 09:13:00 PM »
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« Reply #16 on: July 05, 2003, 10:39:00 PM »
I BELEIVE THE SAME AS YOU KAREN, IF YOU KNOW YOUR CHILD HAS A SEVERE DRUG PROBLEM, IT IS YOUR RESPONSABILITY, AS A PARENT TO DO SOMETHING, (WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT A WWASP SCHOOL) BUT A DRUG REHAB, THIS IS A VERY SERIOUS THING INVOLING OUR YOUTH!! IM NOT TALKING ABOUT SMOKING A JOINT ONCE.
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« Reply #17 on: July 06, 2003, 02:25:00 AM »
One interesting fact that Mike Males points out is that the reason that auto accidents, suicide and such are major causes of death for teens is because they are not dying of cancer, heart disease, strokes and the like. If you ignore the biggest causes of death in older folks you will see that accidents and suicide account for quite a few deaths among the elderly, the middle aged and the twenty somethings.

In fact he shows that suicide deaths essentially are more likely the older a person is. THat is that young children almost never commit suicide and the rate goes steadily up the older a person is.

One point Males makes often in his books is that a person 35-55 (the parents of teenagers) is several times more likely to die of a drug overdose based on actual death statisics in California (they supposedly keep the most accurate stats of any state and divide by race and socioeconomics more precisely).  

I highly recomend his books, Framing Youth, The Scapegoat Generation, and his free ebook,

 "Kids and Guns:How Politicians, Experts, and the Press Fabricate Fear of Youth"

 http://home.earthlink.net/~mmales/contents.htm



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« Reply #18 on: July 06, 2003, 11:32:00 AM »
For the interesting and very realistic information.  Can't speak for anyone else, but I sure got a big laugh from the reference to the BIG BULLSHIT BOARD! Also enjoy and appreciate the posts written by FaceKhan who is equally very intelligent and a courageous defender of the legal and constitutional rights of children.

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« Reply #19 on: July 06, 2003, 11:48:00 AM »
("This spring he decided to grant me and a photographer unprecedented, exclusive access. If he didn't like the result, 'Hell will freeze over before anyone gets in here again".)


What's the verdict? Is Mr. Kay satisfied he made the right decision when he granted Ms. Aikenhead and the photographer into Tranquility Bay? Enquiring minds want to know!!
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« Reply #20 on: July 06, 2003, 01:05:00 PM »
alive maybe, but not safe
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« Reply #21 on: July 06, 2003, 01:06:00 PM »
The responsible parents at WWASPs BBS the really really want to lay all the blame on that New York Times reporter with the funny name ("ooh, is it 'weener' or 'whiner'?", quote, unquote) haven't had quite as much to say about the numerous reports from other sources that report the same ol', same ol'.  

Perchance they'll find it more credible if the writer goes to church on Sunday rather than Saturday, if you catch my drift.  (for the benefit of you folks east of the Mississippi,
"Deseret Morning News" is the local paper for Salt Lake City).

Sunday, July 6, 2003
 
Utah-based school owner banned

Campuses in S.C., elsewhere cited with abuse
By Toby Hayes
Deseret Morning News

      South Carolina's Department of Social Services has banned a Utah-based behavior-modification school owner from the premises of his campus there.
      In a letter sent to Carolina Springs Academy recently, state officials say the ban stems from allegations of abuse at another school owned by Narvin Lichfield, the Dundee Ranch in Costa Rica, which was closed following investigations of mental and physical abuse. The letter also states corrective action needs to be taken before Oct. 30 to renew the school's license. The state cites nine breaches of state regulations, including the use of "buildings that are not approved by DSS." The school must also train its staff on how to report child-abuse cases, which has not been done recently, the letter states.
      Dundee and Carolina Springs are both part of World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools Inc. in St. George, a referral service for behavior modification schools. But the only facilities they refer clients to are ones owned by the corporation's founders and trustees and their relatives. An investigation by the Deseret Morning News reveals that state and federal investigations are not new to the company.

 
      A closer look shows that five of its schools have been shut down in seven years. A school near Cancun, Mexico, called Sunrise Beach, was the first. It was shut down in 1996 after allegations of abuse, two years before the umbrella corporation was actually formed by Lichfield's brother, Robert, and SkyWest Airlines founder J. Ralph Atkin. Three other facilities were shut down in 1998, one of which was Morava Academy in the Czech Republic. The Atkin-owned facility closed just six months after opening.
      He operated the Czech school in an old hotel, said John Grimes who, along with his wife, Theresa, were hired by Atkin. Upon arrival, the couple realized they were the only teachers.
      "We worked seven days a week at 16 hours a day and ended up teaching all the classes," John Grimes said. "Think of something you took in high school and we taught it. It was a little much."
      Weeks before Morava was closed, U.S. State Department investigators were sent to another corporation facility called Paradise Cove in Samoa. According to federal documents, investigators wrote that alleged abuses in Samoa included "solitary confinement of youths, withholding of rations, etc." They also noted that "many of the locally hired counselors and employees at Paradise Cove are not certified or qualified to do the jobs they are doing."
      Ken Kay said he spoke with State Department representatives and that information is false.
      "That is absolutely not what he told me," Kay said. "Were their rations monitored? Absolutely. But they weren't starving."
      By the end of 1998, Paradise Cove was closed.
      But most teens made their way to Samoa and the still operating Tranquility Bay in Jamaica by being routed through a St. George facility operated by Kay and Robert Lichfield.
      Brightway Adolescent Hospital was a teen alcohol and treatment facility until it was voluntarily closed following a state investigation. Debra Wynkoop-Green, the licensing director for the Utah Department of Health, discovered Brightway staff was diagnosing most patients with behavioral problems that needed to be corrected at one of the corporation's other facilities. Of the teens who entered Brightway, 94 percent were shipped to either Jamaica or Samoa, Wynkoop-Green said. The investigation also netted at least one patient who had been sent to Samoa without parental knowledge. The hospital was closed, Kay said, after insurance companies refused to pay for the behavior schools, which charge up to $3,000 a month.
      According to the Utah Department of Commerce, seven companies share the same St. George address of 1240 E. 100 South No. 9, the office next door to Atkin's. Three other youth-related businesses are headquartered at Atkin's office, suite No. 10. Atkin denies being more than the corporation's lawyer. Kay was baffled as to why so many companies, such as Teen Help, Robert Browning Lichfield Family L.P. and Dixie Contract Services all share the same address.
      "Whatever it is," he said, "it has nothing to do with me or WWASPS."
      Clinical psychologist Roderick Hall has spoken with five former students of the corporation's facilities and says these programs do more harm than good.
      "The people I have talked to have post traumatic stress disorder and there's no question about it," he said. This is often referred to as shell-shock. "I have one kid who e-mails me who is in college and still has nightmares."
      Kay said that without the programs his corporation offers "children are going to commit suicide."
     

 


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am an angry, wrathful man,  put here to step on the toes of those who dance around the truth (ex WWASPers may acknowledge the sarcasm)

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« Reply #22 on: July 06, 2003, 01:25:00 PM »
well, my toes HAVE been a might chilly the last week or so.
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« Reply #23 on: July 06, 2003, 01:42:00 PM »
Then how does he account for all the suicides of inmates of his. At least one girl killed herself within days of arriving at TB and I can't say I would not do the same if it looked like I was gonna be there for a couple years.

Of course in my case, I already knew  about what these places were like 5 or 6 years ago, so I would have made things quite difficult for my escorts. How in the world they would get me on an airplane, I have no idea because I don't believe most airlines would take a passenger in handcuffs and a gag and that would be the only thing that would stop me from screaming bomb and forcing the plane to land assuming they ever let me board in the first place after saying that. They can't get me to Jamaica if I am on the no-fly list.

I think a cult anti-abduction seminar might be something to have in the future, perhaps at the conference in 2004. Although I think that what really needs to be done is to go to youthgroups and schools and stuff for it. We can pass it off as a standard anti-abduction thing, that a lot of schools would welcome with all this amber alert hysteria and then break out with how to resist a semi-legal abduction.

In the meantime: OWN A KNIFE KIDS, AND SLEEP WITH IT UNDER YOUR PILLOW and have a letter in the hands of a trusted friend with instructions to seek out an attorney if you are abducted. And remember, it doesn't matter if your parents hired them, as I understand it you can legally kill them if they try to take you, since you have no way of verifying their claim since most kidnappers would say they are your parent's friend anyways.



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« Reply #24 on: July 06, 2003, 01:59:00 PM »
Wasn't there a news report about a class action lawsuit filed by 2 major law firms who planned to ask for a "cease and desist" order relative to the WWASPS programs?  Seems to me I read something about this but have not seen any further updates and/or any evidence that the lawsuit was in fact filed.  Has anyone seen this article and if so, can you provide the link?
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« Reply #25 on: July 06, 2003, 02:00:00 PM »
a sign around her neck? that promotes "emotional growth"? there for 3 years?  that is truly disgusting and sad. :cry:
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« Reply #26 on: July 06, 2003, 02:01:00 PM »
tico times.  i think woodbury reports or strugglingteens.com has a link
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« Reply #27 on: July 06, 2003, 02:18:00 PM »
Here's the link that mentions the temporary cease and desist orders.

http://www.strugglingteens.com/news/parentssue.html
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