Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > The Troubled Teen Industry
Deadly Choices
Anonymous:
There has been proof of abuse since the mid 90's. 4+ WWASP facilities closing immediately after an investigation is started. If thats not suspicious, i dont know what is. WWASP is not teen treatment, WWASP is a multiple layer organization that is bringing in 60+ million dollars a year, and raping the minds of our youth everyday.
Anonymous:
There are 2 words that can sum up Anon's post:
Damage Control.
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" ... and all the king's horses and all the king's men, couldn't put Humpty Dumpty back together again."
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Carey:
Anon,
Well, if you want to convince those of us who think otherwise then will you speak with the owners of these programs and ask them to let us come for a visit. I think if they truly are "good" schools helping kids then then the owners would welcome us with open arms. Why I would think they would want to show off there wonderful facilities. I would think they would want to paste, publish and post the credentials behind all of their qualified staff. I would think they would sing the praises of all their wonderful educators and staff who they employee.
Since these schools claim such a high success rate, why are they not willing to let us see how they are able to turn so many kids around. What's the big secret? Could it be abuse? YES!
They charge an awful lot of money to turn kids around. I think they should put their money where your mouth is and show us how it is spent to help the kids who are there.
Yes, our agenda is very clear:
WE AIM TO STOP THE ABUSE IN THE NAME OF TEEN HELP!!!
WE ARE GOING TO PULL THE STINGER OUT OF THE WWASP!!!
WE ARE GOING TO PUT AN END TO THE EXPLOITATION!!!
We are obviously starting to make them feel the squeeze!!! :tup:
spots:
As usual with an "explanation" of the values of WWASP from an afficiando, my initial response is "...huh???".
Platitudes carry no weight. Actions do. Instead of vague values we ALL espouse, let's talk about the reality of what WWASP is doing:
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"Dear Underground Parents [GOSH, ARE WE UNDERGROUND? SEEMS WE OFTEN GIVE OUR NAME, WHEREAS YOU, ANONYMOUS, HAVING CHOSEN NOT TO] - Your agenda is very clear. This forum in general doesn't believe in giving our troubled youth a new chance in emotional growth boarding schools, WWASP in particular. [THE ISSUES IS NOT HELPING CHILDREN; THE ISSUE IS *HOW*. NOT WWASP, BECAUSE, AS YOU ADDRESS LATER IN THIS MESSAGE, THE END JUSTIFIES *ANY* MEANS]
This option not only gives them a healthy alternative to learn new choices themselves, [IT IS NOT HEALTHY; IT IS ABUSIVE, AND MOST OF THE WORLD OUTSIDE THE 2000 WWASP FAMILIES AGREES] but to take it to the level of the entire family. [FOR A HANDSOME FEE FOR THE LIFE-GIVING SECRET SEMINARS FOR OTHER FAMILY MEMBERS].
Though I agree that this option is not for everyone, it is the most responsible choice a parent can make when their child is crashing and burning. [A CRASHING AND BURNING TEEN DOES NOT NEED RANDOM, OBTUSE RULES WITH RANDOM AND ABUSIVE PUNISHMENTS TO TEACH HIM THAT HE MUST SUBMIT TO *ANY* AUTHORITY. THAT TEEN NEEDS TO WORK THROUGH THE LONG-STANDING PROBLEMS, PREFERABLY WITH AN EDUCATED PROFESSIONAL WORKING WITH THE WHOLE FAMILY...NOT A CANNED SEMINAR].
It is not quick fix or short-term thinking. [following is a lot of horticultural analogy...way off base. Anyway, WHAT DOES THIS QUICK-FIX THING HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING? HAS ANYONE HERE SAID, 'GO FOR THE QUICKIE', AND COMPLAIN BECAUSE WWASP SAYS IT NEEDS $$$$..OOPS, TIME...TO FIX THINGS]
In the life of a troubled teen there is no quick fix where you can just move in and magically make everything right with positive parenting, a positive attitude and a package of success formulas. [UHHHMMM..ARE YOU SAYING HERE THAT WWASP OFFERS THE ANTITHESIS OF THIS PHILOSOPHY, THAT ONE CAN'T IN FACT FIX THINGS MAGICALLY? I FEEL YOU ARE PREACHING TO THE WRONG CHOIR HERE. WE "UNDERGROUND PARENTS" ADVOCATE LONG-TERM 'CORRECTION'. WWASP PROMISES THAT, IF A KID GRADUATES, ALL WILL BE FIXED, OR THEY OFFER THE THREAT OF A REINCARCERATION. HAVE YOU *READ* MUCH OF THIS FORUM AND THE TROUBLES THAT FOLLOW STRAIGHT AND SEED KIDS BASICALLY FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES? THOUGHT NOT.
Principles such as fairness, justice, integrity, honesty and TRUST were not invented by WWASP, they are the laws of the universe that pertain to human relationships. [YOU CAN'T SERIOUSLY THINK THAT WWASP OPERATES ON THE PRINCIPLES OF *FAIRNESS* (TALK TO A PEER AND SPEND ONE WHOLE WEEK ON A PLASTIC CHAIR IN A TINY WHITE ROOM, MINIMAL FOOD, NO SCHOOL, NO PHYSICAL ACTIVITY), *JUSTICE* (FACE-DOWN FOR DAYS, MAYBE BECAUSE OF AN OBJECTION TO STAFF CATTING YOU FOR "SANITATION [hair in your hairbrush], *INTEGRITY* [BEING WHAT YOU SAID YOU WERE, LIKE "safe and loving"?], *HONESTY* [JUST GET A TOURIST VISA EVEN THOUGH WE INTEND YOU TO STAY FOR A LLLOONNNGG TIME. NOBODY WILL EVER CHECK], OR *TRUST* [DON'T BELIEVE A SINGLE THING YOUR KID SAYS, BECAUSE YOU KNOW THEY MANIPULATE/LIE AND ARE 'VERY, VERY GOOD AT IT".
Technique is relatively unimportant compared to trust, which is the result of trustworthiness over time. [LADY, THIS IS JUST PLAIN CRAZY. TECHNIQUE IS PARAMOUNT. AS TO THE REST OF THIS SENTENCE, ...HUH???]
A troubled teen cannot be trusted until they have attained trustworthiness. In our lives, the voice of a troubled teen, early in their stay, show they will say anything to their parents to bring them home. The parents that believe their little angel are doing what they've always done - rescued them. [IF YOU, THE QUINTESSENTIAL WWASP PARENT, SO DISTRUSTS YOUR KID AND VOWS NOT TO RESCUE THEM, WHAT ON EARTH DID YOU DO FOR THE FIRST DECADE AND A HALF OF THEIR EXISTENCE THAT GOT YOU A KID WHO WAS SO OUT-OF-CONTROL THAT YOU BAILED AND SENT HIM AWAY FOR SOMEBODY ELSE TO FIX? DON'T GET ON YOUR SOAPBOX AND TELL A PARENT WHAT AND WHO TO BELIEVE, WHEN YOU ARE LIVING PROOF THAT YOU YOURSELF ARE A POOR PARENT. BTW, THIS TIRADE DOES NOT APPLY TO THOSE PARENTS WHO WERE TRULY LOOKING FOR HELP AND WERE DEFRAUDED BY WWASP'S MARKETING PROMISES.]
What I get from this forum is that most would rather work on being "right" than working on their character. Character involves changing habits, developing values, discipling appetites and passions, and being considerate of the feelings and convictions of others. [...UHHMMM, WHERE DOES YOUR INVECTIVE FIT INTO THIS 'CONSIDERATION OF OTHERS' PHILOSOPHY? IT WOULD APPEAR THAT YOU HAVE A PASSION AND APPETITE FOR YOUR POINT OF VIEW THAT IS WITHOUT BOUNDARY. PERHAPS YOU ARE ON THE WRONG FORUM.]
My purpose in writing on this forum has become urgent - ...{WHAT FOLLOWS ABOUT A KID OD'ING HAS ABSOLUTELY NO RELATION TO THE QUESTION OF WWASP BEHAVIOR MODIFICATION. ANY KID CAN OD...OF BE KILLED IN A CAR ACCIDENT...OR RUN AWAY FROM ABUSIVE PARENTS ABOUT TO PLACE HIM IN AN ABUSIVE SCHOOL. WHY SENTENCE HUNDREDS OF KIDS TO YEARS OF MENTAL ANGUISH ON THE OFF-CHANCE THAT ONE KID WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO OD ON ANY GIVEN DAY].
BUT, who is responsible for poisoning their minds with sensationalism just to sell papers or magazines? [IS IT REALLY THE SHALLOW MINDS OF WWASP PARENTS WHO THINK NEWS STORIES ARE BEING HYPED FOR SALES REVENUE?]
Consciously and responsibly THINK about the choices you are making today - " [ANON, WE ALL DO, AND WE REALIZE MORE THAN YOU WHAT A WHOLE LIFE CAN BE LIKE LIVING WITH A PARENT'S CHOICES. OH, AND I'LL BET YOU *STILL* HAVE A KID IN A WWASP FACILITY]
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lynn:
Anonymous-
My son was "nurtured" half crazy by a gang of poorly educated,ill-trained sadists whose ideas of "fairness, justice, integrity, honesty and TRUTH" included passing out used razors to a population of boys whose previous adventures ran the gamit of risky behaviors. And then they either censored or trash-canned completely his e-mail home asking if you could contract HIV or other really bad diseases that way.
By the way, you can--even in the fairy land that you seem to inhabit.
Your "farming" analogy doesn't pass the smell test, Anonymous--but you certainly have a free hand with the fertilizer.
[ This Message was edited by: lynn on 2003-07-04 17:56 ]
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