punishment

[Anonymous]

Being abducted and kept prisoner without the intervention and outside the protection of the judiciary, and ritualistically abused in a program is a great injustice. It is one seemingly committed with the “go-aheadâ€

[Oz girl]

I would wager that continually being pushed to do things that you hate or being forced to "examine" things about yourself that are negative would drive anyone nuts. If you add a kid who may have some problems with mental health or with school or family it is kind of miraculous more have not gone postal really. I never cease to be amazed at how well some kids do in spite of the insanity of the environment they were in.

[Anonymous]

On the contrary, Oz, it can teach kids to be more introspective and is thus conducive to improving one's self image.


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[Anonymous]

On the contrary, Oz, it can teach kids to be more introspective and is thus conducive to improving one's self image.


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Sure. Destroy you, or improve your self esteem, kinda like a lobotomy.
It's certainly your place to take that risk with another human being by adducting them, imprisoning them, and doing those things to their brain which you say, without evidence to back you up, might help.

Mabye those human have rights that you should respect, though, huh?
Mabye it's not your place to take that risk with other human beings, against their will?

Keep giving children lobotomies against their will, though. It *might* help. (no evidence to support that, but hey, who needs evidence when you make 4,000$ a month)

[TheWho]

99% of all people who have ever gone postal never saw the inside of a program... I dont believe you will find a correlation.



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[TheWho]

On the contrary, Oz, it can teach kids to be more introspective and is thus conducive to improving one's self image.


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self image is a huge thing that kids come away with.  That in itself is worth the stay.

[Anonymous]

99% of all people who have ever gone postal never saw the inside of a program... I dont believe you will find a correlation.



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How could we? These things have never been studied. We don't even know how many programs there are, or how many kids are in them.
Even though, your programs have been in operation for a long long time.

Child torturer, 99% of kids have never been in  a program. However, based on informal social networks that develop, after you put a kid into a program, his chances of "going postal" skyrocket. Similarly,  if you chronically abuse a child, his chances of becoming violent increase. In a program, the level of abuse, the systematic leveling of a human brain through cult personality destruction that one encounters in a program is so far off charts, that the chances of a youth becoming significantly violent, towards himself or others increase exponentially.

Funny how interested the trolls are in establishing that there is no link with this kids violent erruption and program. Just ignore them.
What was the name of the program he was in, again?

What self-punishing behaviors did you find kids engaging in, and why do you think they do this?

[psy]

On the contrary, Oz, it can teach kids to be more introspective and is thus conducive to improving one's self image.


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self image is a huge thing that kids come away with.  That in itself is worth the stay.

A new self image is what you mean.  A pseudopersonality.

[Anonymous]

On the contrary, Oz, it can teach kids to be more introspective and is thus conducive to improving one's self image.


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self image is a huge thing that kids come away with.  That in itself is worth the stay.

A new self image is what you mean.  A pseudopersonality.

that new self image is one of the reasons they become self -punishing. They think of themselves as faulty, bad, or dug addicts. They then engage in the behavior of a "drug addict" I know that from watching one kid, in particular.
EVIL MURDERERS

[TheWho]

On the contrary, Oz, it can teach kids to be more introspective and is thus conducive to improving one's self image.


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self image is a huge thing that kids come away with.  That in itself is worth the stay.

A new self image is what you mean.  A pseudopersonality.

I don’t think that is what the person meant.  I believe you are mistakenly taking self image to mean personality (or altering the personality).  Although self image is intrinsically a part of a person’s personality and some even see it as a relevant trait (or sub set of personality).  But in the context it is being used here I believe she/he was speaking more towards self esteem.

Many kids enter these programs with a poor self image and low self esteem issues which are related to depression, OCD, social phobias, drug abuse etc….applying behavior changes to these children thru positive reinforcement and working closely with a therapist can greatly improve and turn around these issues allowing the child to live a better life and achieve his or her goals whether that be attending college or pursuing a personal path in life.

So in the technical sense you are right, psy, the personality is being altered, if you consider changing a trait or a childs self esteem as altering… but I wouldn’t classify this as pseudo or a pretending or false sense of improved self esteem unless we would see this change as short lived and in the majority of the kids the changes are long term improvements which continue to assist the children into adulthood.

If we recognized these as pseudo we would be seeing a permanent backsliding effect after graduation, which we are not.



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[Anonymous]

Iraqi Information Minister says what now?

[Anonymous]

99% of all people who have ever gone postal never saw the inside of a program... I dont believe you will find a correlation.



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David was a very young thirteen when he came to RMA. From the beginning, you could tell him was sensitive. I suppose originally we became friends because we were both the youngest students at that time and we had very similar stories. The raps were the hardest on him and often times he would try to defends his friend in the hot seat only to get worst yelling at him. Soon after I left, he just gave up and ranaway. He evenutally got to go home but I think the damage was done. He and I would speak quite often and he just never felt a part of anything after RMA. He developed a couple of habits along the way to help numb himself, I suppose. After a while it became a little much for me to handle and we began to drift about. I can't recall how long along the incident with David happened but I do know that in the end he copped to it all...and so now he sits in jail alone again.

David was not a bad kid. Before RMA he never did any drugs or was violent...something up there made him change.
David ended up copping out to killing a girl and is jail now, alone.
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You look close enough at any group of detainees, you end up kneee knee deep in storied like this, stories of suicide, death, personal destruction that6's quieter

Now child torturer, will you please leave this thread ? I'm tring to get more stories of self punishing behaviors, that people know  kids fell into after program, and why speciifcly their experience effected them in that way.

[TheWho]

Now child torturer, will you please leave this thread ?......

You must be new here,  you are not going to get me to leave by being rude or posting made up stories.  Provide links please and explain why you think the program was responsible.



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[Anonymous]

Now child torturer, will you please leave this thread ?......

You must be new here,  you are not going to get me to leave by being rude or posting made up stories.  Provide links please and explain why you think the program was responsible.



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You're a child torturer. That's not rude it's accurate. I just copied that from the Cedu forum, child torturer.

Child torturer, when you try to restructure a human's brain through methodical abuse adapted from the cult synanon, and lifespring, and mutate it into something more violent and destructive, into the personality destruction methodology that is/was practiced by the Chinese and north Koreans on prisoners: brainwashing, the program is RESPONSIBLE for the brain damage that occurs. It is responsible for the damage to the child, and the damage the child inflicts.

Cedu has been officially classified by a cult by the leading mind in cultic studies

YOU are rude from derailing this thread from investigating the self punishing behaviors of kids that have survived the organized brain destroying methods of programs like Cedu or Desisto or ASR or Straights or Seed, and why kids participate in them.

We're not discussing "what possible benefits there are", or "can it happen"  Why can't you be respectful enough to respect my wishes, as a a teen survivor, and beg off this thread, just this one, and take every other thread as an opportunity to prostylize the benefits of torture, and let this thread stay in      topic?

[TheWho]

Now child torturer, will you please leave this thread ?......

You must be new here,  you are not going to get me to leave by being rude or posting made up stories.  Provide links please and explain why you think the program was responsible.



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You're a child torturer. That's not rude it's accurate. I just copied that from the Cedu forum, child torturer.

Child torturer, when you try to restructure a human's brain through methodical abuse adapted from the cult synanon, and lifespring, and mutate it into something more violent and destructive, into the personality destruction methodology that is/was practiced by the Chinese and north Koreans on prisoners: brainwashing, the program is RESPONSIBLE for the brain damage that occurs. It is responsible for the damage to the child, and the damage the child inflicts.

Cedu has been officially classified by a cult by the leading mind in cultic studies

YOU are rude from derailing this thread from investigating the self punishing behaviors of kids that have survived the organized brain destroying methods of programs like Cedu or Desisto or ASR or Straights or Seed, and why kids participate in them.

We're not discussing "what possible benefits there are", or "can it happen"  Why can't you be respectful enough to respect my wishes, as a a teen survivor, and beg off this thread, just this one, and take every other thread as an opportunity to prostylize the benefits of torture, and let this thread stay in      topic?

There were 2 questions you posed in your OP:

1.What are some other examples of self-punishing behaviors of kids u know from programs?
2.Why do you think they engage in this behavior?

Which lead to a discussion on self image… then someone posting about performing lobotomies and abducting kids and putting them in prison…. (not sure how that relates and not exactly on topic)…

I posted in response to OzGirls “Going postalâ€