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« on: November 26, 2007, 10:45:33 PM »
any place to find a list of all the synanon cedu and seed spin offs? Maybe a chart?
thanks
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« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2007, 01:19:12 AM »
Maia tried once and ended up missing about half of them... wierd shit though.. been visiting Benchmark all week and these places are scary business.
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« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2007, 01:25:38 AM »
youre such a sweetheart, che. go you
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« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2007, 11:15:52 AM »
This isn't complete and it mostly deals with Straight, but maybe its a start.


http://www.thestraights.com/flowchart.htm


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« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2007, 01:37:50 PM »
Fuck Yes!  Good work. That was long overdue!
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« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2007, 01:41:25 PM »
Here is the chart mentioned by Gook a few posts up.  It originally appeared in Maia Szalavitz' article "The Cult That Spawned the Tough-Love Teen Industry," in the August 20, 2007 issue of Mother Jones.

relevant LINKS:
To thread on fornits.
To original article.



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« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2007, 05:27:00 PM »
Dear god.. that chart Anne posted is unbelievable.. and ps.. Psy is to congrat with most of this Benchmark raid.. this is his vision.. his hard work.. I'm just along for the ride and the chance to piss off staffers.
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« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2007, 05:32:45 PM »
Yeah, I'm familiar with an earlier version of it that used to be linked into Fornits' AnonAnon page, but it was in really bad shape and hard to read.  I'm glad to see this more updated and cleaned up version!
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« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2007, 06:29:08 PM »
there needs to be one like that for cedu
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« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2007, 05:31:25 PM »
bump
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« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2007, 09:59:35 PM »
I would like to know how the Seed got placed in direct lineage with Phoenix house in that chart.  That isn't right!
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« Reply #11 on: November 28, 2007, 11:30:21 PM »
Quote from: ""GregFL""
I would like to know how the Seed got placed in direct lineage with Phoenix house in that chart. That isn't right!

Probably the AA roots.  Phoenix was closely tied in with Synanon when they attempted to "take New York" with the therapeutic community model.  

One early connection Maia missed was Hyde School.  Hyde definitely also has AA roots. Officially begun in 1966, but Gauld possibly tried it earlier at New Hampton in the late 50's, and definitely at Berwick Academy prior to '62.  Others did not share his "vision" so he started his own school.  In the earliest days, students were required to acknowledge a "higher power" and to observe religious services.  He stopped making them go to church, but the lingo is still peppered with AA phrases and terminology.  That and est/business buzz words about "unique potential," "moral compasses," and "destiny."
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« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2007, 11:33:45 PM »
Quote from: ""GregFL""
I would like to know how the Seed got placed in direct lineage with Phoenix house in that chart.  That isn't right!


Try Another Castle reported that an ex-boyfriend of his knew of a Phoenix House that was chock full of ex-synonanite douche bags working as staff members. Can't recollect where I saw this statement but I think it probably is buried on the Synonan forum somewhere.
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« Reply #13 on: November 29, 2007, 12:26:26 AM »
I think I remember a post like that too.  The differences between Synanon and Phoenix House in those early days were less than their similarities.
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« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2007, 07:11:16 AM »
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The differences between Synanon and Phoenix House in those early days were less than their similarities.

Wouldn't it be easier to simply say that the two were similar, instead of employing the cumbersome comparative?
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