Fornits Wiki most wanted: where are they now watch list

[Anonymous]

wiki.fornits.com

You need no one's permission to start making pages.

[try another castle]

Okay, first of all, these wiki entries would not be about the nature of our detainment and incarceration as it pertains to the program structure.

These entries are NOT ABOUT US. As self-absorbed as we are, not everything is about us. This is ABOUT THEM. What they have done, their transgressions, and also, some of the staff that made an effort to buck the system the brief time they were there, and maybe made a difference. (I know at least two people who did that for me. They eventually got fired because they were too subversive and tried to make all of us WAKE THE FUCK UP.)

But primarily, its a watch list. Of STAFF. Not program. We have plenty of entries on that, and more are always needed.

And honesty? Give me a break. A lot of this will be testimony. The truth will always be questioned by doubters, so victims will always be held up to scrutiny. That's just how it is in this society; for rape victims, incest victims, program victims. I don't care about those nay sayers, because in reality, we have no motivation to lie. What happened to us was real, and our perps need to be exposed for what they are and what they have done. We know we are telling the truth, it's just a question of wording it properly so others will hear it. This does not mean censoring ourselves or candy-coating it. It is simply an issue of semantics and verbage, nothing more. This is why I am willing to "edit" entries, not for content, but for wording. And as always, if you don't like it, you can change it back. Wiki is open.

However, I am way too busy to start making pages about staff. I am graduating in two quarters and I have way too much on my mind. I can instead help with pages that have already been started.

The fact of the matter is, very little documented data exists on these people. Very few have been prosecuted, except for some of  the bigwigs. The program is like the church. They keep their offenders and transfer them, or they fire them and keep the offenses hush hush. As such, some of the most reliable information we have is out of our own mouths and keyboards.

[Oz girl]

my understanding is that it is of where staff have come from and where they now are
eg randal hinton worked at tranquility bay when it closed was employed at ______
confessed to pepper spraying boy was arrested and convicted of assault.

Is it this sort of thing or it it mainly testimony from survivors like on issac?

[try another castle]

my understanding is that it is of where staff have come from and where they now are
eg randal hinton worked at tranquility bay when it closed was employed at ______
confessed to pepper spraying boy was arrested and convicted of assault.

Is it this sort of thing or it it mainly testimony from survivors like on issac?

It's both. It's everything there is to know about these people. It is an expose.

[Anonymous]

I know this because I have talked to parents who have been here and/or whom I have referred here and the majority feel that 99% of the posters are kids who are angry with their past and families or school they attended and couldn’t find any honest answers. Most of what they heard was not current information and most are looking for how these places are today, advances they have made, differences from school to school (which I think we can all understand isn’t available here). I try to provide that as best I can but many of you people are in a much better position to give them honest insight into each school. This would also alleviate many of my off board discussions with these parents if they could get the information directly from you guys. I never refer them to Edcons but sometimes I feel it may be best for them because I don’t always have the answers to their questions and getting them here is tough at best.

& this is why there are documents being compiled about TheWho and other industry types - because the day is coming where folks like TheWho will be accountable to the parents and children he "counsels" off-board. The anon postings (are they really anon, nope) and off-board 'advice" have a very specific legal gravity.

I see TheWho has been less ardent in posting and he is wise for doing so, in that federal and state agencies are involved in monitoring this site for info and other purposes; (in terms of "TBS" abuse etc etc.) There is little reliable info - fornits can be abrasive but it's not marketing to anyone either. Asking an edcon or program parent to critique TBS is like asking Phillip Morris to talk about lung cancer - it's not happening.

To those of you who fight the abuse, keep the faith.

[CCM girl 1989]

I know this because I have talked to parents who have been here and/or whom I have referred here and the majority feel that 99% of the posters are kids who are angry with their past and families or school they attended and couldn’t find any honest answers. Most of what they heard was not current information and most are looking for how these places are today, advances they have made, differences from school to school (which I think we can all understand isn’t available here). I try to provide that as best I can but many of you people are in a much better position to give them honest insight into each school. This would also alleviate many of my off board discussions with these parents if they could get the information directly from you guys. I never refer them to Edcons but sometimes I feel it may be best for them because I don’t always have the answers to their questions and getting them here is tough at best.

& this is why there are documents being compiled about TheWho and other industry types - because the day is coming where folks like TheWho will be accountable to the parents and children he "counsels" off-board. The anon postings (are they really anon, nope) and off-board 'advice" have a very specific legal gravity.

I see TheWho has been less ardent in posting and he is wise for doing so, in that federal and state agencies are involved in monitoring this site for info and other purposes; (in terms of "TBS" abuse etc etc.) There is little reliable info - fornits can be abrasive but it's not marketing to anyone either. Asking an edcon or program parent to critique TBS is like asking Phillip Morris to talk about lung cancer - it's not happening.

To those of you who fight the abuse, keep the faith.

You are going to hold the Who responsible for what? Puhleese, because he has talked to a few parents. Told them of his experiences with ASR? Referred parents to professionals who could help find the right place for their teen?

That's nonsense!!!! Good luck though, LOL!!!!!!!!!!

[Anonymous]

CCM girl said

You are going to hold the Who responsible for what? Puhleese, because he has talked to a few parents. Told them of his experiences with ASR? Referred parents to professionals who could help find the right place for their teen?
That's nonsense!!!! Good luck though, LOL!!!!!!!!!!

[Anonymous]

TheWho said -

Chuck, If you are concered with too many people getting involved I will be in Atlanta next week and we can sit down and hammer out a plan, just the two of us. I wouldnt mind checking the site out myself while I am there but I will not give you an answer either way, my driver is sick so I will be using Mindys, but we can talk after we get out of the car..... I dont want to discuss this on the way there. Confirm your plans with Jenna and I will work thru her.

I have not spoken to any parents who had children attend Phoenix house, so I cannot comment, but I haven’t heard any negative comments coming from that direction if that helps.

There are many options out there for you, but if you are dealing strictly with addiction issues I have seen some great success at a place called Hazelden, which is in Minnesota, just north of Minneapolis. It is a bit on the expensive side (insurance won’t cover much, if any of the cost) but they are extremely successful at getting a person off drugs and stabilized and do cater to youth services. The follow-up/ long term success varies depending on the individual and how they stick to their plan.

http://http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=23486&sid=0bf02fa784bca395166174727521c7e7

Just so we are straight about TheWho's role here - it's isn't just "advice" - he is playing a very active role behind the scenes IRL. Actually meeting prospective parents and taking them to facilities, CCMgirl - that sounds legally liable to me. Also culling parents from fornits with fiduciary duty to some facilties would be akin to insider trading. Not legal. But all of TheWho's prodigious postings will come back to haunt him soon.

[dishdutyfugitive]

hazelden.


Isn't that the "million little pieces" rehab?

[Anonymous]

hazelden.


Isn't that the "million little pieces" rehab?

yes, but considering the entire story has proven to be greatly exaggerated (read:an enormous lie) - hazelden doesn't really figure into this.

I've just been coming across allllll these old archives (and not so old) of who postings. interesting. very interesting.

[Anonymous]

TheWho said -

Chuck, If you are concered with too many people getting involved I will be in Atlanta next week and we can sit down and hammer out a plan, just the two of us. I wouldnt mind checking the site out myself while I am there but I will not give you an answer either way, my driver is sick so I will be using Mindys, but we can talk after we get out of the car..... I dont want to discuss this on the way there. Confirm your plans with Jenna and I will work thru her.

I have not spoken to any parents who had children attend Phoenix house, so I cannot comment, but I haven’t heard any negative comments coming from that direction if that helps.

There are many options out there for you, but if you are dealing strictly with addiction issues I have seen some great success at a place called Hazelden, which is in Minnesota, just north of Minneapolis. It is a bit on the expensive side (insurance won’t cover much, if any of the cost) but they are extremely successful at getting a person off drugs and stabilized and do cater to youth services. The follow-up/ long term success varies depending on the individual and how they stick to their plan.

http://http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=23486&sid=0bf02fa784bca395166174727521c7e7

Just so we are straight about TheWho's role here - it's isn't just "advice" - he is playing a very active role behind the scenes IRL. Actually meeting prospective parents and taking them to facilities, CCMgirl - that sounds legally liable to me. Also culling parents from fornits with fiduciary duty to some facilties would be akin to insider trading. Not legal. But all of TheWho's prodigious postings will come back to haunt him soon.

unlikely. but good luck.

[Covergaard]

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