Saying Hello to wdtony, from Thailand

[Anonymous]

I was in KHK in 1983, and have been reading your posts with much interest and enthusiasm. Even in Northern Thailand, I can't escape my memories of the Hebron Hilton. The computers in this Internet cafe are early-Clinton-era, so I can't work on them too well. However, when I get back to the States, I'd really like to get in touch with you. The KHK forum has been seriously lacking in meaningful discourse since I first found it in 2006, and I'm glad someone from Hebron is putting in the hours!

The person I'd really like to see pay, by the way, is Kathy Balinger (SP?), head psychologist in KHK at the time of my incarceration. She once called herself "Our God." Or, to quote her almost verbatim: "In here, I am your higher power, I am your God." Was she still running the show in your time? She had full knowledge of the physical abuse going on in Straight, Milford. I've had no luck tracking her down over the years, but I'd love to find her. She is as guilty as the abusers in Straight.

I would PM you, but I can't get my old account to work. Still, I'd love to do E-mail sometime.

Richard

[wdtony]

Richard,

Wow, you were in Hebron huh? The Hebron Hilton, Did you coin that phrase? I think I will use that.
To answer your question about Kathy, no, I don't remember Kathy Balinger but my memory isn't the best when it comes to executive staff. In fact, I never saw the staff psychologist as far as I remember. I do remember a senior staff member named Ben. Did you know him? Becky Potts? Scott High? Sometimes I just get a memory out of nowhere and sometimes someone reminds me of something.

If you can give me your e-mail if you have access that would be cool. I don't get a lot of Hebronites to talk to so it would be good. I don't know much about Thailand but could you set up a temporary e-mail and put it up on fornits so I can send you my e-mail addy? If not, I will try to work something else out. I am lazy.

It is funny that you mention the name Balinger, could her name have been spelled Belanger? I ask you this because Pat and Roger Belanger were named as Straight Midwest Inc. successors in documentation on public record. If Kathy was related to Pat or Roger, that would be another piece of info linking KHK with Straight. "Straight is always somebody else".

Absolutely get in touch when you get back stateside, Do you work in Thailand or just on vacation? Do you still come around KY or Cincy when in the states? I am in Northern KY.

 Anyone who commits crimes against humanity and especially kids should pay for their crimes. I hope to see them brought to justice someday.

The Hebron kids didn't fare so well. The rest of us that are surviving are pretty busy. It is difficult to put a lot of time in here. Gotta work massive hours to pay for gas to get to work you know. I feel like I am in a relay race and just got handed the stick. I assume it gets tiring after fighting these places for years.


very good to meet you,

Tony

[Anonymous]

I was in KHK in 1983, and have been reading your posts with much interest and enthusiasm. Even in Northern Thailand, I can't escape my memories of the Hebron Hilton. The computers in this Internet cafe are early-Clinton-era, so I can't work on them too well. However, when I get back to the States, I'd really like to get in touch with you. The KHK forum has been seriously lacking in meaningful discourse since I first found it in 2006, and I'm glad someone from Hebron is putting in the hours!

The person I'd really like to see pay, by the way, is Kathy Balinger (SP?), head psychologist in KHK at the time of my incarceration. She once called herself "Our God." Or, to quote her almost verbatim: "In here, I am your higher power, I am your God." Was she still running the show in your time? She had full knowledge of the physical abuse going on in Straight, Milford. I've had no luck tracking her down over the years, but I'd love to find her. She is as guilty as the abusers in Straight.

I would PM you, but I can't get my old account to work. Still, I'd love to do E-mail sometime.

Richard

Yeah thanks for the wonderful compliment Richard,
-Dp

[Anonymous]

Richard,

Wow, you were in Hebron huh? The Hebron Hilton, Did you coin that phrase? I think I will use that.
To answer your question about Kathy, no, I don't remember Kathy Balinger but my memory isn't the best when it comes to executive staff. In fact, I never saw the staff psychologist as far as I remember. I do remember a senior staff member named Ben. Did you know him? Becky Potts? Scott High? Sometimes I just get a memory out of nowhere and sometimes someone reminds me of something.

If you can give me your e-mail if you have access that would be cool. I don't get a lot of Hebronites to talk to so it would be good. I don't know much about Thailand but could you set up a temporary e-mail and put it up on fornits so I can send you my e-mail addy? If not, I will try to work something else out. I am lazy.

It is funny that you mention the name Balinger, could her name have been spelled Belanger? I ask you this because Pat and Roger Belanger were named as Straight Midwest Inc. successors in documentation on public record. If Kathy was related to Pat or Roger, that would be another piece of info linking KHK with Straight. "Straight is always somebody else".

Absolutely get in touch when you get back stateside, Do you work in Thailand or just on vacation? Do you still come around KY or Cincy when in the states? I am in Northern KY.

 Anyone who commits crimes against humanity and especially kids should pay for their crimes. I hope to see them brought to justice someday.

The Hebron kids didn't fare so well. The rest of us that are surviving are pretty busy. It is difficult to put a lot of time in here. Gotta work massive hours to pay for gas to get to work you know. I feel like I am in a relay race and just got handed the stick. I assume it gets tiring after fighting these places for years.


very good to meet you,

Tony

Tony:

Scott High, yes. He was not one of the worst staff members in my time. In fact, I suspect he's a pretty decent person--to this day.

"Crimes against humanity" is an an apt phrase for any of the Sembler/Post-Sember-mills, then and now.

I will try to PM you an E-mail address, if I can get my old Fornits account to work. The problem is, I can't seem to access my email account on these computers.

It's very hard to do a thing in this Asian-gamer-nightmare of a cafe. But don't get me wrong--the Thais are wonderful people, truly. Some of the best people on the planet, really.

In any case, I'll see what I can do about finding a better place to write, because I'd really like to get in touch with you. I spent ten-plus months in Hebron, and never got past second phase. Balinger ultimately stuck me in solitary confinement, after months and months on first phase, till I broke down and got motivated. I ran after my first journey home in many months--and never went back. My mother just didn't have the tenacity to stick with it, so I was lucky.

 

Richard

[wdtony]

Richard,

Wow, you were in Hebron huh? The Hebron Hilton, Did you coin that phrase? I think I will use that.
To answer your question about Kathy, no, I don't remember Kathy Balinger but my memory isn't the best when it comes to executive staff. In fact, I never saw the staff psychologist as far as I remember. I do remember a senior staff member named Ben. Did you know him? Becky Potts? Scott High? Sometimes I just get a memory out of nowhere and sometimes someone reminds me of something.

If you can give me your e-mail if you have access that would be cool. I don't get a lot of Hebronites to talk to so it would be good. I don't know much about Thailand but could you set up a temporary e-mail and put it up on fornits so I can send you my e-mail addy? If not, I will try to work something else out. I am lazy.

It is funny that you mention the name Balinger, could her name have been spelled Belanger? I ask you this because Pat and Roger Belanger were named as Straight Midwest Inc. successors in documentation on public record. If Kathy was related to Pat or Roger, that would be another piece of info linking KHK with Straight. "Straight is always somebody else".

Absolutely get in touch when you get back stateside, Do you work in Thailand or just on vacation? Do you still come around KY or Cincy when in the states? I am in Northern KY.

 Anyone who commits crimes against humanity and especially kids should pay for their crimes. I hope to see them brought to justice someday.

The Hebron kids didn't fare so well. The rest of us that are surviving are pretty busy. It is difficult to put a lot of time in here. Gotta work massive hours to pay for gas to get to work you know. I feel like I am in a relay race and just got handed the stick. I assume it gets tiring after fighting these places for years.


very good to meet you,

Tony

Tony:

Scott High, yes. He was not one of the worst staff members in my time. In fact, I suspect he's a pretty decent person--to this day.

"Crimes against humanity" is an an apt phrase for any of the Sembler/Post-Sember-mills, then and now.

I will try to PM you an E-mail address, if I can get my old Fornits account to work. The problem is, I can't seem to access my email account on these computers.

It's very hard to do a thing in this Asian-gamer-nightmare of a cafe. But don't get me wrong--the Thais are wonderful people, truly. Some of the best people on the planet, really.

In any case, I'll see what I can do about finding a better place to write, because I'd really like to get in touch with you. I spent ten-plus months in Hebron, and never got past second phase. Balinger ultimately stuck me in solitary confinement, after months and months on first phase, till I broke down and got motivated. I ran after my first journey home in many months--and never went back. My mother just didn't have the tenacity to stick with it, so I was lucky.

 

Richard

Scott High was on Senior staff when I was in there and was my counselor. He wasn't bad compared to most of the other staff. He left KHK while I was on my phases and became a cop in Ft. Mitchell, KY. I don't know where he is today. I would say he was one of the better people in there. Although, we were all part of the machine once we were brainwashed. It sounds like they never actually brainwashed you. Did they? By 2nd phase I didn't have enough of my mind left to want to leave. Wow, 10 months. How long did you spend in solitary? You must have had a strong mind.

When do you expect to get back to the states? Good luck with the computer situation.

Tony

[Anonymous]

I was in KHK in 1983, and have been reading your posts with much interest and enthusiasm. Even in Northern Thailand, I can't escape my memories of the Hebron Hilton. The computers in this Internet cafe are early-Clinton-era, so I can't work on them too well. However, when I get back to the States, I'd really like to get in touch with you. The KHK forum has been seriously lacking in meaningful discourse since I first found it in 2006, and I'm glad someone from Hebron is putting in the hours!

The person I'd really like to see pay, by the way, is Kathy Balinger (SP?), head psychologist in KHK at the time of my incarceration. She once called herself "Our God." Or, to quote her almost verbatim: "In here, I am your higher power, I am your God." Was she still running the show in your time? She had full knowledge of the physical abuse going on in Straight, Milford. I've had no luck tracking her down over the years, but I'd love to find her. She is as guilty as the abusers in Straight.

I would PM you, but I can't get my old account to work. Still, I'd love to do E-mail sometime.

Richard

Yeah thanks for the wonderful compliment Richard,
-Dp

DP:

I'm sorry! I thought of you right after I posted. Till recently, you are the only KHK person who ever put any serious effort into this forum (I've never had the energy to put in more than a few cents' worth)--so, please, please accept my apology. I gave up my Fornits addiction a long time ago, and this is my first time posting anything in many months.  

In fairness, though, I do check this forum from time to time, and, you have to admit, it is pretty dead in the water. Compared with the Straightlings' domain, this place might as well not exist. Where are all the KHK people? It really is a mystery, considering the fact that our experiences in Hebron are virtually no different from any of theirs. They just toned down the physical abuse for us--a little, for I did see some--and instead threatened to ship us off to Milford if we stepped out of line, where they would surely bloody our faces if we refused to submit to their dehumanizing coercive persuasion ad nauseam.

Again, sorry. My efforts have been miniscule compared with people like you, W. E., Ginger, nonconformistlaw, Sammy, and many, many others. I just haven't figured out how to stay in the fight and also balance such efforts with a meaningful, fruitful existence. But I'm very glad to have met you in 2006. And I'd love to pay Milford another visit some time. Maybe when it's warm!

Take care.

[Anonymous]

I was in KHK in 1983, and have been reading your posts with much interest and enthusiasm. Even in Northern Thailand, I can't escape my memories of the Hebron Hilton. The computers in this Internet cafe are early-Clinton-era, so I can't work on them too well. However, when I get back to the States, I'd really like to get in touch with you. The KHK forum has been seriously lacking in meaningful discourse since I first found it in 2006, and I'm glad someone from Hebron is putting in the hours!

The person I'd really like to see pay, by the way, is Kathy Balinger (SP?), head psychologist in KHK at the time of my incarceration. She once called herself "Our God." Or, to quote her almost verbatim: "In here, I am your higher power, I am your God." Was she still running the show in your time? She had full knowledge of the physical abuse going on in Straight, Milford. I've had no luck tracking her down over the years, but I'd love to find her. She is as guilty as the abusers in Straight.

I would PM you, but I can't get my old account to work. Still, I'd love to do E-mail sometime.

Richard

Yeah thanks for the wonderful compliment Richard,
-Dp

One more thing:

I should try to stay in touch with you, also--and others. There's just something inside of me that keeps holding me back. In 2006, I was spending many hours a day on this issue. I suppose it's a question of balance, once again. I went through so many fierce, complicated emotions back then--dredging the whole thing up is extremely problematic, as I'm sure you know. I wish I could figure out a way to become active without becoming so absorbed in the issue that I can't manage any other creative functions in my life. Unfortunately, there's probably not a way to become a serious activist without forfeiting an awful lot. Does a hobbyist activist accomplish anything of serious value?  

But you are definetely someone I should get in touch with again. Alas, the Fornits cult is pulling me in! Well, I will, anyway!

Till I get out of Asia . . .

[Anonymous]

I was in KHK in 1983, and have been reading your posts with much interest and enthusiasm. Even in Northern Thailand, I can't escape my memories of the Hebron Hilton. The computers in this Internet cafe are early-Clinton-era, so I can't work on them too well. However, when I get back to the States, I'd really like to get in touch with you. The KHK forum has been seriously lacking in meaningful discourse since I first found it in 2006, and I'm glad someone from Hebron is putting in the hours!

The person I'd really like to see pay, by the way, is Kathy Balinger (SP?), head psychologist in KHK at the time of my incarceration. She once called herself "Our God." Or, to quote her almost verbatim: "In here, I am your higher power, I am your God." Was she still running the show in your time? She had full knowledge of the physical abuse going on in Straight, Milford. I've had no luck tracking her down over the years, but I'd love to find her. She is as guilty as the abusers in Straight.

I would PM you, but I can't get my old account to work. Still, I'd love to do E-mail sometime.

Richard

Yeah thanks for the wonderful compliment Richard,
-Dp

And I do read your posts with "much interest and enthusiasm" too. You are a good writer. O.K., enough apologies. I guess the new KHK person got me all excited.

[Deprogrammed]

I was in KHK in 1983, and have been reading your posts with much interest and enthusiasm. Even in Northern Thailand, I can't escape my memories of the Hebron Hilton. The computers in this Internet cafe are early-Clinton-era, so I can't work on them too well. However, when I get back to the States, I'd really like to get in touch with you. The KHK forum has been seriously lacking in meaningful discourse since I first found it in 2006, and I'm glad someone from Hebron is putting in the hours!

The person I'd really like to see pay, by the way, is Kathy Balinger (SP?), head psychologist in KHK at the time of my incarceration. She once called herself "Our God." Or, to quote her almost verbatim: "In here, I am your higher power, I am your God." Was she still running the show in your time? She had full knowledge of the physical abuse going on in Straight, Milford. I've had no luck tracking her down over the years, but I'd love to find her. She is as guilty as the abusers in Straight.

I would PM you, but I can't get my old account to work. Still, I'd love to do E-mail sometime.

Richard

Yeah thanks for the wonderful compliment Richard,
-Dp

And I do read your posts with "much interest and enthusiasm" too. You are a good writer. O.K., enough apologies. I guess the new KHK person got me all excited.

Richard,
Apology accepted!
What the heck are ye doing in Thailand anyways?
Just wondering.....
Didn't ye used to be in Mass. or something?
Long time no talk eh?
BTW I do totally understand what ye mean about getting so absorbed that ye have to back off from time to time. This is how I have found to do it, just by backing off from time to time. Also having a grounded support system of friends or family to mull things over with helps me a lot too.
If this is any inspiration I will offer it: I am a single mother of two children, and I work full time as well. It is a juggling act for sure.
I am happy to report that my son is getting all A's, and that my daughter is getting Mostly A's with a few B's. I am also happy to report that they are two wonderful  and happily adjusted children in which I love dearly. I involve them in my activism, it has become part of family time at times, just because I am helping to protect them by doing the things that I do as well, and also protecting their friends.
They love me for that, and I love them for being who they are, open minded , caring , thoughtful individuals.
Now all that being said: I am usually dead tired and on a lot of coffee...lol
I have found though, that the activism part of it all, helps to heal me more and more from the awful Hebron. experience.
Try this one as well: My mother lives 5 minutes by car from that building, and when I visit I have to drive by it everytime. Talk about in my face.
So, it becomes really all about stress management.
By saying all of the things that I just said to you I do not for one min. want ye to think that I am perfectly healing or something b/c I am not. To be honest when my health insurance kicks back in I am going back to therapy to do some more EMDR (eye movement Desensatization & reprocessing). mainly b/c I have come a long long way from where I have been but I still got a lot of way to get to where I am going.
So, take it easy on yourself, see if some of my methods work for ye, if they don't , then don't stop exploring until ye find the right ones for you!

one more note and then I promise to step down from my soap box:
Whether we push this place under our rugs or not....something always seems to push itself out from under the darn rug when we don't want it to, ye know? I just choose to deal with it head on b/c I am sick and tired of being scared of it and living in that fear.

I hope ye are well, and have a good night, and be safe!
warm regards,
-DP

[wdtony]

I was in KHK in 1983, and have been reading your posts with much interest and enthusiasm. Even in Northern Thailand, I can't escape my memories of the Hebron Hilton. The computers in this Internet cafe are early-Clinton-era, so I can't work on them too well. However, when I get back to the States, I'd really like to get in touch with you. The KHK forum has been seriously lacking in meaningful discourse since I first found it in 2006, and I'm glad someone from Hebron is putting in the hours!

The person I'd really like to see pay, by the way, is Kathy Balinger (SP?), head psychologist in KHK at the time of my incarceration. She once called herself "Our God." Or, to quote her almost verbatim: "In here, I am your higher power, I am your God." Was she still running the show in your time? She had full knowledge of the physical abuse going on in Straight, Milford. I've had no luck tracking her down over the years, but I'd love to find her. She is as guilty as the abusers in Straight.

I would PM you, but I can't get my old account to work. Still, I'd love to do E-mail sometime.

Richard

Yeah thanks for the wonderful compliment Richard,
-Dp

And I do read your posts with "much interest and enthusiasm" too. You are a good writer. O.K., enough apologies. I guess the new KHK person got me all excited.

At least I am exciting someone. I hope you aren't friends with John Mark Karr!

[Anonymous]

I was in KHK in 1983, and have been reading your posts with much interest and enthusiasm. Even in Northern Thailand, I can't escape my memories of the Hebron Hilton. The computers in this Internet cafe are early-Clinton-era, so I can't work on them too well. However, when I get back to the States, I'd really like to get in touch with you. The KHK forum has been seriously lacking in meaningful discourse since I first found it in 2006, and I'm glad someone from Hebron is putting in the hours!

The person I'd really like to see pay, by the way, is Kathy Balinger (SP?), head psychologist in KHK at the time of my incarceration. She once called herself "Our God." Or, to quote her almost verbatim: "In here, I am your higher power, I am your God." Was she still running the show in your time? She had full knowledge of the physical abuse going on in Straight, Milford. I've had no luck tracking her down over the years, but I'd love to find her. She is as guilty as the abusers in Straight.

I would PM you, but I can't get my old account to work. Still, I'd love to do E-mail sometime.

Richard

Yeah thanks for the wonderful compliment Richard,
-Dp

And I do read your posts with "much interest and enthusiasm" too. You are a good writer. O.K., enough apologies. I guess the new KHK person got me all excited.

At least I am exciting someone. I hope you aren't friends with John Mark Karr!

Note to self:

You asked for it. Welcome back to Fornits.

[wdtony]

Hey Richard,

When you comin back to our neck of the woods? Got a lot to tell you.

Tony

[Anonymous]

Hey Richard,

When you comin back to our neck of the woods? Got a lot to tell you.

Tony

I'm out of Karr Country and blithering along in Luang Prabang, Laos. I just read about the protest yesterday. I was in transit when it happened. I was at the last one, in February 2006, and saw at least two familiar faces in the recently posted pics. Beautiful job. I wish I could have been there. Great quotes from you in the Beacon, too (read: Seventh of May academies).  

I should be stateside January 15th, and am looking forward to E-mailing or talking on the phone. Till then . . .

[wdtony]

Excellent,

I heard you were at the last one. I think this protest was a good start for me. I plan on having several more.

 You can send an e-mail to: programtruth@hotmail.com  

I wouldn't mind hearing about Hebron in 83' , there aren't a lot of us hebronites out here. for me it was 86' and my sister it was 92'. DP was 89'.  That's all I can recollect at the moment.

Safe trip home, talk to you then,

Tony

[The Motivator]

Richard,

I was in there (1983)when you came to KHK and remember even car-pooling to Centerville when you hit second phase. I now live just a couple of miles from where you lived in Centerville.

Sorry that I haven't been blowing my horn in protest but two jobs, two kids, dog obedience training and a band keep my away from my fornits addiction that I acquired a while back.

I also have similar views to why our numbers are so few compared to the straightlings. Although, there is one more thing. KHK  back then was smaller (much) than Milford so the success rate was considerably higher. When that is the case then you have less people carrying it with them so heavily twenty years later. The graduates either were brainwashed for good and they remain programmed to this day, or returned to normalcy within a few years like myself or are too busy to go hunting for something like this.

I found it unhealthy for a while especially hanging around in the straight forums. I would dig up all those old memories and it would completely change my mood and demeanor around the house. The last thing my kids need is grumpy dad b/c he's digging up the past and getting angry about it. It's good to check back in though and catch posts from you and see that there is still some life here.

Keep me posted of future protests as I'm about 90 minutes away.

To remember Staff:

John Poole was the most senior of staff with his little "fuck" buddy Anne and they dished out all sorts of drama in fucked up raps. Big Ben was another Sr. Staffer and I remember Scott Hi as well. There was Kelly (with Farrah Hair) Shit, I was on Jr. Staff training but was smart and split after my 6 mo. was up. When I was training I found out about all the staff that were totally full of shit, banging each other in the offices and doing drugs after school.....it was stupid so I split and decided to rejoin a band since they took that a way for a year of my life.

Kathy Balinger was an evil being and was present for some of the more serious raps as well as tormenting the daily kid who wouldn't budge.......I remember this for Richard......it was not pretty.

I'll check in from time to time.

Stay in touch if you can.

John