drug addicts don't want to get clean

[TheWho]

Deb, I think she means the obvious, although she phrased it poorly: that programs destroy their family's money (sometimes with parents ripping it out of their college funds), destroy their education (as they aren't accredited schools, they don't even get GEDs, and they're ill-prepared for college anyway), and seriously, how much opportunity can they have after being told that they're worthless day in and day out?

Actually it could be either of these things. The point is that statistically speaking middle class kids everywhere are given more chances to grow out of their vices or in the rare cases that it is necessary get quality medical help. These is also more incentive to eventually straighen up anf fly right becuase the middle classes feel they have more to loose by being in legal hot water. Consequently in most cases this is exactly what happens. Kids grow out of the worst.

To give a personal example i have a friend whose younger brother was about the most hideous teenager imaginable. Eventually at about 17 and 1/2 his laywer pointed out to him that at 18 he was an adult and a judge was going to be a whole lot less lenient about  the wild oats he seemed to need to sow. The kid did not straighten out over night but he did calm down a little when he realised that it was no longer cute and he stood to loose something. At 25 he is just fine. He is not a laywer or a stockbroker as his parents had once hoped but he is not drug addicted or in jail either. He has also travelled to exotic places and done a variety of jobs.
There is no doubt in my mind that if this kid lived with the right set of parents in the US he woud have been program material.

It really makes it difficult to determine which kids will grow out of it and which ones will not.  There are too many stories like the one CCM told where her cousin hit bottom at age 27.  This guy could have benefited from getting help in his teens.  So faced with these decisions (and results like these) it is hard to just throw up our hands and say lets wait and see.... we are not a "Wait and see" society. we are doers and solvers and look for results quickly.  That is why parents look for help outside when they cant solve the issues locally or within the home.



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[CCM girl 1989]

I know open and free discussion is a threat to your cherished ideological beliefs, but give it a try sometime. You might even like it.

I wish they would give it a try too. But, it's doubtful at this point. I also wish that his parents would've gotten him help earlier when we he had no rights, or say if he had to go to treatment. But, that was not the case. I know that sounds horrible, but I just don't think things would have spun so out of control as they are now if this was taken care of earlier. If I remember correctly he went to rehab when he was 20, then released himself after 2 days.

I will keep you posted on his progress. We have 2 full months paid for him. It might take more, I think it will before he enters a halfway house. I guess with Crystal Meth there is no physical withdrawl which is good but there is a mental withdrawl from the drug. I don't know if that makes it any better, or easier? Probably not. But, he has been there for 5 days. Not so easy for him to take off. He is about 2,000 miles from home.

[TheWho]

I know open and free discussion is a threat to your cherished ideological beliefs, but give it a try sometime. You might even like it.

I wish they would give it a try too. But, it's doubtful at this point. I also wish that his parents would've gotten him help earlier when we he had no rights, or say if he had to go to treatment. But, that was not the case. I know that sounds horrible, but I just don't think things would have spun so out of control as they are now if this was taken care of earlier. If I remember correctly he went to rehab when he was 20, then released himself after 2 days.

I will keep you posted on his progress. We have 2 full months paid for him. It might take more, I think it will before he enters a halfway house. I guess with Crystal Meth there is no physical withdrawl which is good but there is a mental withdrawl from the drug. I don't know if that makes it any better, or easier? Probably not. But, he has been there for 5 days. Not so easy for him to take off. He is about 2,000 miles from home.

We have utilized and have heard of many good successes from Halzelden which is in Minnesota, just north of Minneapolis.  It is expensive, I think we covered $800/Day for the first 3 weeks *(stabilization) and then it drops down to about $80/day when they transition into group housing....and he was there for a year/ year and a half, so the money can run up quickly.  Where did you send your cousin?



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[Anonymous]

It really makes it difficult to determine which kids will grow out of it and which ones will not.  There are too many stories like the one CCM told where her cousin hit bottom at age 27.  This guy could have benefited from getting help in his teens.  So faced with these decisions (and results like these) it is hard to just throw up our hands and say lets wait and see.... we are not a "Wait and see" society. we are doers and solvers and look for results quickly. [/color] That is why parents look for help outside when they cant solve the issues locally or within the home.
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Spoken like a true Pro-Program propaganda (bullshit) spreader. You say that you looked for results quickly and that's why you did not try famil;y counseling before shipping your own daughter off to a hell hole.

I'll bet your sales pitch to parents is "It's good enough for my daughter so send your child."

It's a whole lot easier to ship a kid off and let someone else deal with them than deal with them yourself. "The easier and softer way for you." And hell it don't hurt that it puts a dollar in your pocket. I would bet you would even sell out you mother if you knew it would make you a dollar.

[CCM girl 1989]

I know open and free discussion is a threat to your cherished ideological beliefs, but give it a try sometime. You might even like it.

I wish they would give it a try too. But, it's doubtful at this point. I also wish that his parents would've gotten him help earlier when we he had no rights, or say if he had to go to treatment. But, that was not the case. I know that sounds horrible, but I just don't think things would have spun so out of control as they are now if this was taken care of earlier. If I remember correctly he went to rehab when he was 20, then released himself after 2 days.

I will keep you posted on his progress. We have 2 full months paid for him. It might take more, I think it will before he enters a halfway house. I guess with Crystal Meth there is no physical withdrawl which is good but there is a mental withdrawl from the drug. I don't know if that makes it any better, or easier? Probably not. But, he has been there for 5 days. Not so easy for him to take off. He is about 2,000 miles from home.

We have utilized and have heard of many good successes from Halzelden which is in Minnesota, just north of Minneapolis.  It is expensive, I think we covered $800/Day for the first 3 weeks *(stabilization) and then it drops down to about $80/day when they transition into group housing....and he was there for a year/ year and a half, so the money can run up quickly.  Where did you send your cousin?





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It's called Alternative In Treatment located in Boca Raton, FL.

[TheWho]

Nowhere wrote:

I would bet you would even sell out you mother if you knew it would make you a dollar.

Ha,Ha,Ha,  Reminds me of the old Bill Cosby “Bullet in the furnaceâ€

[Anonymous]

Spoken like a true Pro-Program propaganda (bullshit) spreader. You say that you looked for results quickly and that's why you did not try famil;y counseling before shipping your own daughter off to a hell hole.

I'll bet your sales pitch to parents is "It's good enough for my daughter so send your child."

It's a whole lot easier to ship a kid off and let someone else deal with them than deal with them yourself. "The easier and softer way for you." And hell it don't hurt that it puts a dollar in your pocket. I would bet you would even sell out you mother if you knew it would make you a dollar.

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(see how stupid it is? give it some thought.)

[CCM girl 1989]

BTW,  I will let you all know about Alternative In Treatment in Boca Raton, FL. after he has completed his program.

[Botched Programming]

It's called Alternative In Treatment located in Boca Raton, FL.

(Boca Raton, Delray Beach, and surrounding areas are the treatment capital of the east coast)

I personally have had dealings with Alternatives in Boca. They rely heavily on the local AA/NA/CA/SLAA meetings in the area to do their job and mostly deal with adults.

The group sessions are merely more than an extension of the "Whatever Anonymous" meetings that they attend. They use the Hanley Hazelton step books to go through to start a person on their step cult programming.

But again when it comes to Adolescent Programs, show me one that is good.

[CCM girl 1989]

It's called Alternative In Treatment located in Boca Raton, FL.

(Boca Raton, Delray Beach, and surrounding areas are the treatment capital of the east coast)

I personally have had dealings with Alternatives in Boca. They rely heavily on the local AA/NA/CA/SLAA meetings in the area to do their job and mostly deal with adults.

The group sessions are merely more than an extension of the "Whatever Anonymous" meetings that they attend. They use the Hanley Hazelton step books to go through to start a person on their step cult programming.

But again when it comes to Adolescent Programs, show me one that is good.

Wait, I thought this subject was "Drug addicts don't want to get clean?" Um....my cousin does. I am not shocked that you had to throw in that this step cult programming bullshit. I realize that this is the troubled teen forum. However, since most of you here believe in just letting your children do whatever the hell they want, it might be helpful to have the name, and a review of this treatment facility for later down the road. Ya know, just in case.

[Botched Programming]

Wait, I thought this subject was "Drug addicts don't want to get clean?" Um....my cousin does. I am not shocked that you had to throw in that this step cult programming bullshit. I realize that this is the troubled teen forum. However, since most of you here believe in just letting your children do whatever the hell they want, it might be helpful to have the name, and a review of this treatment facility for later down the road. Ya know, just in case.

Addicts will not get clean until they have the desire to. And most of the time when an addict goes into some type of treatment center, they are running from some situation in their life.

As far as treatment centers go, these people would be better off saving their money and going to meetings. (Not that I support or attend meetings.)

[Anonymous]

As far as treatment centers go, these people would be better off saving their money and going to meetings. (Not that I support or attend meetings.)

Ha,Ha,Ha..

[CCM girl 1989]

Wait, I thought this subject was "Drug addicts don't want to get clean?" Um....my cousin does. I am not shocked that you had to throw in that this step cult programming bullshit. I realize that this is the troubled teen forum. However, since most of you here believe in just letting your children do whatever the hell they want, it might be helpful to have the name, and a review of this treatment facility for later down the road. Ya know, just in case.

Addicts will not get clean until they have the desire to. And most of the time when an addict goes into some type of treatment center, they are running from some situation in their life.

As far as treatment centers go, these people would be better off saving their money and going to meetings. (Not that I support or attend meetings.)

He needs a lot of support right now. He can't have these drugs so readily available to him right now when he is so vulnerable. Can you not understand that? In order for him to get clean he needs to be in a treatment center for that extra support. Later on, he will have to be strong on his own. But, in the beginning it's very difficult for people.

[Nihilanthic]

You do not need inpatient captive treatment centers for support necessarily.

You are not capable of stating such a need, as you lack the PhD by your name.

You are right that SOME may need it and SOME may want, and it should be offered in both cases... and in the case of a NEED, in the least invasive, least restrictive, least unpleasant way possible.

Support is one thing... bullshit is another.

[Anonymous]

how old are you ccn? your a just still such a magnet for sociopaths. you need to come back here in 10 yrs and then tell us what you think. right now you are just prey and bait. if you dont know what i'm saying, you will in 10 yrs! promise.