Into The Wild

[Anonymous]

From the US Dept of Labor -

All 50 States and the District of Columbia require public school teachers to be licensed. Licensure is not required for teachers in private schools in most States. Usually licensure is granted by the State Board of Education or a licensure advisory committee. Teachers may be licensed to teach the early childhood grades (usually preschool through grade 3); the elementary grades (grades 1 through 6 or ; the middle grades (grades 5 through ; a secondary-education subject area (usually grades 7 through 12); or a special subject, such as reading or music (usually grades kindergarten through 12).

http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos069.htm

The majority work in local government educational services. About 10 percent work for private schools. Preschool teachers, except special education, are most often employed in child daycare services (61 percent), religious organizations (12 percent), local government educational services (9 percent), and private educational services (7 percent).

In conclusion, the vast majority of professionals ARE LICENSED.



TheWho's statements has been shown by the US dept of labor's own statistics, to be misinformed and entirely & completely wrong.

[TheWho]

From the US Dept of Labor -

All 50 States and the District of Columbia require public school teachers to be licensed. http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos069.htm[/url]

The majority work in local government educational services. About 10 percent work for private schools. Preschool teachers, except special education, are most often employed in child daycare services (61 percent), religious organizations (12 percent), local government educational services (9 percent), and private educational services (7 percent).

In conclusion, the vast majority of professionals ARE LICENSED.



TheWho's statements has been shown by the US dept of labor's own statistics, to be misinformed and entirely & completely wrong.

Its a state requirement that only applies to public schools.  It doesnt insure that teachers are better or less abusive.  Its a test the state requires.  The majority of teachers work in the public school system.  But the majority of professionals donot.  Very few engineers, for example, get a "Professional Engineers license"  Why would they, unless they wanted to work for the state.  Most engineers work for private companies.
Pick any large company.  Microsoft and see if they require an engineer to be licensed in their on-line want ads.

[Anonymous]

Micorsoft engineers do not work with children.

[Anonymous]

seriously, what is wrong with TheWho?

 :rofl:

[TheWho]

You guys are going back and forth but you are missing the point.  What does a license buy you?  The majority of the upper class (and middle- upper class people) were educated by teachers who were not licensed.  If these people felt that a license meant anything they would have the private schools make their teachers take the dam test, but they don’t because it is beurocratic garbage.  We hear  on the news everyday about a teacher abusing or having sex with a student and each and every case the teacher was licensed.  Everyone knows it is just state regulation paper work and doesn’t insure anything.  Private schools send letters home to the parents telling them of their new hired science teacher…. They talk about his/her vast experience in the field, educational back ground and private industry experience along with some notes on their private lives and information which reflects their moral standing in the community and the special talents they are bringing to the school and so on…. State testing or licensing isn’t even a small consideration.

The government isn’t going to protect our children for us… it is up to the parents to do that.  Its up to the parents to choose good schools with good programs and the people that work there…. if a particular wing of the government requires people to be tested or licensed fine, but don’t let that put your guard down and feel it means your kids are anymore safe, because they are not.

The testing is a safety net to insure teachers meet some minimum standard or have the bare minimum to be where they are.  You are foolish to place a child in someones care because a person is licensed or took a test.



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[Ursus]

seriously, what is wrong with TheWho?

 :rofl:

It may not be TheWho.  Someone other than TheWho or CCMgirl has been recently found posting in support of some of their viewpoints.

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The majority of children go to public schools, not private schools. Even private schools do not hire HS grads off the streets.

Some of those "private schools" are TBSs included on our forum.  Those TBSs often hire graduates of their program who have not even completed college yet.  Witness Hyde School as one that I am more familiar with.  Elan also hires recent graduates of their program, although I am not sure whether they call themselves a TBS.  Those teachers may be designated as "teachers" or "instructors" or "coaches" or what have you.  But the bottom line is they are teaching your kids and you are paying for it.

License or certification is not required for the private sector.  In fact you can make up a whole lot of rules and guidelines that do not bear any resemblance to what the required curriculum is in whatever state you are in.  Take a look at this interchange between a parent and a California bureaucrat; the parent wanted to home school his kids.  This was back in the mid-70s.  A lot of things have changed with regard to homeschooling requirements, but this conversation illustrates the dynamic between the public and the private sector all too well.  Incidentally, this parent went on to start his own school.

Bonnie was working part-time as a registrar at a local school, but since she had several hours free during the day and I had time at night, we thought maybe we could share in teaching our children at home.  It seemed like a great idea, but--being young and naive--we thought we'd better check with the California Department of Education.  I figured that with my Master's degree in education, it wouldn't be a problem.  I can still remember the conversation as clearly as if it was yesterday.  I was home for lunch when I made the call.  Home schooling was virtually unknown at that time, so I was referred to the supervisor for private schools.

            When I told him our plan, he asked just one question, "Do you have a California Teaching Credential?"

            "No," I replied, "but I have a Master's Degree in education."

            "Nope, that's not good enough," he said.

            I just couldn't accept this.  There had to be a way.  Not knowing what else to say, I asked, "Isn't there any way I can teach my own children?"

            "Well," he replied, "you could start a private school."

            Start our own school?  Unbelievable.  I had to run that one by him again just to make sure I'd heard it right.  "You mean I'm not qualified to teach my own children, but I'm qualified to teach a whole school full of children?"

            "Yep, that's right."

            "And my children could be part of that school if I wanted them to be, right?"

            "Sure, if you wanted them to."

            "Thanks for your help, sir!"
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[Anonymous]

the boy didn't know how to discharge his feelings. at all.  it sounds like the truth circles at the program enabled him to open up and get at the deeper issues. there ARE deeper issues.  not every wilderness therapy story is a bad one.  yes, their relationship was affected, but clearly good came from it as well.

I'm going to discharge my feelings in the form of a gun aimed at your head.

Critically, who the hell are you to abduct anyone, and hold them captive to get them to "discharge" their feelings? How bout I abduct you? Where do you live? Honestly, I'd like to know. I am going to come and kidnap you, and take you into the wilderness.

I'm also going to rape you, no, don't thank me. I just want you to learn some lessons. Then, I'm going to cut off your left foot. Again, what has this been shown to help? NOTHING. Wilderness abduction has never been medically proved to do anything but hurt, as cutting off your left foot has never been proved to do anything but harm. So What.  Maybe, you’ll get at the deeper issues

Any trauma  always makes you get at the deeper issues as you’ve been freshly supplied with deeper issues by the trauma.
You’ll definitely learn how to handle your anger. Well, you’ll need to. You don’t have a foot. That's horrible, right?


Anyway, so please post your address so we can begin the magnificent journey of abduction/rape/mutilation therapy.

It seems clear that you did not have a good experience, but that doesnt mean many other children do not.

I am going to continue raping and foot chopping as "treatment".

The thousands of lobotomy/rape victims who say having such “treatmentâ€

[Anonymous]

seriously, what is wrong with TheWho?

 :rofl:

It may not be TheWho.  Someone other than TheWho or CCMgirl has been recently found posting in support of some of their viewpoints.

Yep, the post above this here one crossed my mind too.  Some other threads in TTI are even more obvious tho.

[Anonymous]

And he doesnt like psy in particular. Benchmark staff?

[Anonymous]

And he doesnt like psy in particular. Benchmark staff?

Nah, he/she/it seems to focus fire at one person at a time. He/she/it comes and goes. My guess is Anne Hall, but it's hard to tell with really insane programmies; they all seem to gravitate towards one central point as far as writing style goes.

He/she/it doesn't know how to deal with Anonymous, though.

[Anonymous]

Not Anne Hall; it's a bloke.  Uses lots of big words and condescends.  A superiority complex?

[Anonymous]

Not Anne Hall; it's a bloke.  Uses lots of big words and condescends.  A superiority complex?

Hey, thats gender discrimination   But really, I don't see so much in the way of big words, or even a superiority complex. There's just alot of cult speak, but real full on, not able to tell that it sounds crazy cult speak...A true beleiver, anyway. Maybeit's miss scarlet with the candle holder, in the library.

[Anonymous]

if a particular wing of the government requires people to be tested or licensed fine, but don’t let that put your guard down and feel it means your kids are anymore safe, because they are not.

This is so true. Many a kid has been killed in licensed facilities. Tens of thousands have been psychologically damaged, injured, and raped. The difference between licensed and unlicensed, someone is coming in ocassionally to monitor and the facility is required to report abuse, neglect and deaths. Without that information how can the any parent make an informed decision? The safe bet is to keep your kid home or as near home as possible so you can check in unannounced on a regular basis. Because abuse and neglect are so inherent to institutions, a parent should never, under any circumstances, allow strangers to sever contact between them and their child. License or no license.
What parents should also contemplate is that inherent to the industry is the avoidance of licensure. What are they hiding? Why do they resist being monitored? Why does the industry fight to keep the truth hidden?

[Ursus]

I think licensure might also give the parents more of a hammer to work with should things come to a lawsuit.  Often what people/programs get sentenced for is not the true real crime, or the worst thing that happened to the kid, but some little "t" that somebody forgot to cross.  Desperate, angry family plus creative, determined attorney equals full body press to find something, anything that these people can be held accountable for.

Think Randall Hinton got his due?  Think the charges even approximate what he should have been on trial for?  Perhaps that is a bad example, my brain isn't working up to speed right now, but the general gist of what I'm trying to say is still in that ball park...

[TheWho]

This is so true. Many a kid has been killed in licensed facilities. Tens of thousands have been psychologically damaged, injured, and raped. The difference between licensed and unlicensed, someone is coming in ocassionally to monitor and the facility is required to report abuse, neglect and deaths. Without that information how can the any parent make an informed decision? The safe bet is to keep your kid home or as near home as possible so you can check in unannounced on a regular basis. Because abuse and neglect are so inherent to institutions, a parent should never, under any circumstances, allow strangers to sever contact between them and their child. License or no license.

I agree, it should never be the first option to send a child away.  It should be saved as a last resort if the child doesn’t respond to local services and other options close to home.  If the child needs to be away from home the parent should review how their communication will be handled, the qualifications of the staff and therapists and have the therapists be in weekly contact with the childs home therapist.

What parents should also contemplate is that inherent to the industry is the avoidance of licensure. What are they hiding? Why do they resist being monitored? Why does the industry fight to keep the truth hidden?

If a parent is looking for a state run agency or an agency which takes kids from the states court systems they should look for and choose a school which is licensed with the state.
If they are looking for a school which runs independently (more private) these facilities usually work outside the restrictions of the state and therefore can have more flexibility dealing with each individual child.
State licensing is a good thing but brings along with it a ton of restrictions and red tape which drives up the cost of treatment.  Anyone who has dealt with a state agency or has visited a state run facility will know what I am talking about, they insure minimum standards but are not of any use to schools which far exceed them and licensing may actually bring their standards down.



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