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Genuinely interested but not impressed Part I
« on: October 22, 2007, 05:42:46 PM »
When I first started reading on this site it was in response to hearing that AARC is a cult. I googled "AARC" and this forum came up.
First of all, I am over 30 years sober by the grace of God and not by any man, institution, organization, or self will. I do know what “out of controlâ€
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Genuine but not impressed - ISAC Part II
« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2007, 05:44:18 PM »
The ISAC report is very sketchy with point form details referring mainly to the history of AARC and its link to other disreputable organizations. According to ISAC this link ended 17 years ago in 1990. It is stated that Dr. Vause was offered a position with this organization but it doesn’t indicate that he took the position. Based on the information found in the ISAC report, Dr. Vause was affiliated with the Kids of Bergen County in 1989 and was offered the position in Canada in 1990. This means that in all of his life experience there was one year or less that he was associated with this organization. Prior to that he was a high school guidance counselor with a reputable school board but it does not indicate for how long. This position would have afforded him experience in dealing with troubled teens prior to his association with the Miller Newton program. It could have also been his motivation for pursuing his studies and the twelve years of research that was attributed to Dr. Vause would have included this period of time prior to his involvement with the Kids of Bergen County as well as research work done following his involvement. In 1992 Dr. Vause founded AARC rather than become associated with Kids of the Canadian West program.
As far as credentials are concerned, the Union Institute where Dr. Vause earned his PHD is in fact accredited (and has been since at least 1985) by the The Higher Learning Commission of the North Central Association of Colleges and Schools which is recognized by the US Department of Education. http://www.ncahlc.org/index.php?option= ... Itemid=113
I think it would be best to stop defaming this institution in this forum. The fact that one less than reputable graduate has earned a degree there in no way reflects on the quality of education provided. Those that have proven their reputation should not simply be dismissed as authorities due to their connection with this institution. Many highly educated, accredited, and licensed professionals in many fields have proven to be inadequate and even destructive in their practices. I have looked on line at other higher learning institutions and you can obtain a PHD through correspondence or on line at a number of them including the University of Calgary. Athabasca University is an accredited Canadian fully distance learning institution as well. It is possible that the Union Institute was just ahead of its time. Dr. Vause did obtain his Masters in Educational Psychology prior to doing his Doctoral Studies in the same field.
There was a comment in another forum about some of the clients helping Dr. Vause to write his thesis. I was once involved in doing research for someone writing a Master’s Thesis. I had to interview seniors on their shopping habits. I helped with research but in no way did I help write the paper. I can’t see anywhere on the AARC website that claims Dr. Vause is a psychologist.
There was little else on the ISAC site that could shed any light on my research concerning AARC specifically. They provided no testimonials, no references to reports, complaints or investigations and has not been updated since it was created in 2003
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Genuine but not impressed - Part III
« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2007, 05:45:41 PM »
As far as this forum is concerned I find that it has been completely uninformative. There have been accusations without any facts to back them up, there have been character slurs on both sides, there have been valid questions left unanswered, there have been assumptions made about legitimate queries (I can only speak for myself), and all around reading the different threads has left me exhausted, frustrated, and a little depressed.
I know that as an outsider with nothing to gain or lose, my opinion means very little. I will offer it anyways as food for thought.
I feel that although not perfect, and certain aspects, if this site is legitimate, should be investigated, AARC should not be considered a cult.
This is what I gleaned from reading postings on this site:
    They reintegrate their clients back into society and yes they offer after care support but it is not enforced and their freedom of choice in where they live, work, and recreate is not dictated. The only criterion for continued association is sobriety.  The exclusion of some who are no longer clean and sober and show no desire to work at it indicates that it is not open to whosoever, only those with a serious desire to become and stay healthy. Otherwise they would be welcomed back and be kept at step one indefinitely.
    They do fund raise and in gratitude, many former clients or their families financially support them. I have a child who had life saving surgery as a youngster and I still get requests for donations from the hospital every year, 18 years later. I give or don’t give according to my own choosing.
    A great deal of time is spent on Changing the minds and attitudes of the clients but only with regards to drugs and alcohol.
    Amongst the postings in favour of AARC there is a very high regard for the director, Dr. Vause. This could be considered alarming however it could also simply be respect and gratitude towards an individual who had a positive impact on their lives. Many people show extreme regard for former doctors, teachers, coaches, counselors and mentors who have had positive influence or have helped them through difficult experiences in their lives.
    Some former clients go on to volunteer or work at AARC. These former clients desiring to work at AARC should be commended rather than condemned. Many people discover their vocation through difficult personal experience and bring empathy and compassion to their work. If the experience were negative this would be last place they would want to work. If they have been subjected to mind control and brainwashing I would think they would not be successful in their studies in the field or the real world education would bring them to their senses.
    Many have gone on to lead productive lives in other fields and have no association with AARC at all.
    Parents or courts must sign the child over to AARC and they are not recruited without an authority figure’s initial consent. No parent or court would sign over a child unless they are exhibiting at least some form of extreme behaviour. If a mistake has been made, after a time, the child is released even if the parent and/or child would like them to continue with the program.
    There are a limited number of spaces available and there is a waiting list.
    There have been some incidences of suicide and violent crimes that have been committed by former clients. In reading up on the details all I can see is that AARC does not have a 100% guarantee. There have been many such tragedies in the lives of people treated through traditional methods as well. The people involved in these incidents were involved in high risk lifestyles in spite of AARC. Another question that this brings up is: Has AARC ever referred anyone to outside professional help if the client could not be helped through the AARC program?
I know that this is far from exhaustive but it has been exhausting to me. I do hope that this issue is resolved soon and the truth is exposed once and for all. I will be checking up on here from time to time to see if there is anything new. I hope to stay away from commenting unless of course I have to clear up any misconceptions about my own personal intent, integrity, character, or meaning.
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Genuinely interested but not impressed Part I
« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2007, 06:02:01 PM »
What accusations were those?  What character slurs?  What questions?  What queries?  Thanks  ever so much though for your opinions.  My life has been altered forever.  I can't speak for anyone else here, but after you telling me no to, I will never consider AARC a cult again.  And also, because you said so, I commend all of the AARCies who still flit around the leader.  I'm curious as to how you know so much about the lives of AARC grads.
I'm also curious as to how you know that no parent or court would sign over their child unless the child were exhibiting at least some form of extreme behaviour.  In order for you to know this, you would have to possess some supernatural power.  If you do, perhaps you could market it.  As far as referring to outside help, after AARC announced that my SLF was suicidal, she was put on Zero Club.  Her attending psychiatrist was another teenaged girl, her Oldcomer.
There is only one article on AARC's website from Report Magazine, and it contains a description of Vause as a psychologist.  
You have made an important contribution to the advancement of mental health research, and to the cause of justice.  I will see to it that schools and libraries are named for you in the future.  Thank you.
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"AARC will go on serving youth and families as long as it will be needed, if it keeps open to God for inspiration" Dr. F. Dean Vause Executive Director


MR. NELSON: Mr. Speaker, AADAC has been involved with
assistance in developing the program of the Alberta Adolescent
Recovery Centre since its inception originally as Kids of the
Canadian West."
Alberta Hansard, March 24, 1992

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Genuinely interested but not impressed Part I
« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2007, 06:02:14 PM »
Wow! A thoughtful, balanced and insightful group of statements.

Prepare to be abused.
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Genuinely interested but not impressed Part I
« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2007, 06:21:47 PM »
Did you mean thoughtful, balanced and insightful statements like AARC should not be considered a cult.  Who, exactly are you to decide how anyone should consider anything?  And who are you to say that the clients turned staff at AARC should be commended?  If you don't consider it a cult, you're welcome to your opinion.  If you think that the clients turned staff should be commended, again, that's your right.  But like all good group-thinkers, you're compelled to tell others what to think.  Thanks again.
Thanks also for ignoring the Hansard report wherein the Alberta Government acknowledges that AARC was Kids of the Canadian West.
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"AARC will go on serving youth and families as long as it will be needed, if it keeps open to God for inspiration" Dr. F. Dean Vause Executive Director


MR. NELSON: Mr. Speaker, AADAC has been involved with
assistance in developing the program of the Alberta Adolescent
Recovery Centre since its inception originally as Kids of the
Canadian West."
Alberta Hansard, March 24, 1992

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Genuinely interested but not impressed Part I
« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2007, 06:27:19 PM »
In my defense, I did say at that this was my opinion and merely food for thought. I take very little at face value.
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Re: Genuinely interested but not impressed Part I
« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2007, 06:44:04 PM »
Quote from: "Interested"
When I first started reading on this site it was in response to hearing that AARC is a cult. I googled "AARC" and this forum came up.
First of all, I am over 30 years sober by the grace of God and not by any man, institution, organization, or self will. I do know what “out of controlâ€
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Genuinely interested but not impressed Part I
« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2007, 06:49:29 PM »
If you are referring to the Document found on the Endorsement page of the AARC Web-site, I reread the document and found no reference to Dr. Vause as a psychologist. He has a Masters degree and a Phd in Educational Psychology. If this exerpt comes from a larger more detailed document please provide a link and I will recant. As for the accusations, character slurs, questions and queries, one simply has to read the threads on this forum to find them. I wouldn't have the time to list them all. They are on both sides of the debate. That is why I find this forum to be ineffectual. Somehow I don't think this is what Velvet envisioned when she started this forum many years ago.
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Dean's qualifications
« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2007, 08:37:08 PM »
Quote from: ""Interested""
If you are referring to the Document found on the Endorsement page of the AARC Web-site, I reread the document and found no reference to Dr. Vause as a psychologist. He has a Masters degree and a Phd in Educational Psychology. If this exerpt comes from a larger more detailed document please provide a link and I will recant. As for the accusations, character slurs, questions and queries, one simply has to read the threads on this forum to find them. I wouldn't have the time to list them all. They are on both sides of the debate. That is why I find this forum to be ineffectual. Somehow I don't think this is what Velvet envisioned when she started this forum many years ago.


Dr. F. Dean Vause, PhD., (Executive Director)
Dr. Dean Vause previously worked as a guidance counselor at the secondary school level.
(Source: http://www.education.ualberta.http://ww ... c4a-1.html). Dr.
Vause received his doctorate from Union University, a correspondence school that bills
itself as “a university without walls.â€
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« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2007, 08:49:47 PM »
Plus the models are identical, perhaps a few name changes only. And don't forget AARC was original called Kids of the Canadian West i.e. the Canadian branch of Kids of North Jersey, the program started by Newton in the 80's after he left straight.
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« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2007, 04:08:41 AM »
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When I first started reading on this site it was in response to hearing that AARC is a cult. I googled "AARC" and this forum came up.
First of all, I am over 30 years sober by the grace of God and not by any man, institution, organization, or self will. I do know what “out of controlâ€
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« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2007, 08:23:11 AM »
Vause being called a psychiatrist:

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Recovering Krystal
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Producer(s) Canadian Broadcasting Corporation
Director(s) David Tucker
Release Date 2003
Runtime 45 min
Format(s) 16mm, 35mm, video, DVD, web
Language(s) English
Youth Media no

Film Description
This moving video tells the dramatic story of Krystal Meade, a teenage drug addict and runaway, who is forced under court order to confront her personal demons through a unique alcohol and drug treatment program. The story may sound familiar, but the Alberta Addiction Recovery Center (AARC) differs from other drug rehabilitation programs in its insistence on treating the families of abusers alongside the young addicts. AARC's method is premised on the reality that these teens are often the product of parents and families who are substance abusers themselves, like Krystal's father. Other parents, including her mother, may be enablers, helping the kids access the alcohol and drugs they crave or looking the other way while they continue their abuse.

Under the leadership of psychiatrist Dean Vause, AARC works with troubled teens and their families over an intense and often grueling eight to twelve-month period. Though structured on a minimum-security model, the program nonetheless entails tracking the activities and whereabouts of the teens at all times. Therapy is based on the twelve-step Alcoholics Anonymous program, plus both one-on-one counseling and group sessions. It requires that both the teens and their parents receive therapy, to address the devastating emotional scars of their dependencies. During treatment, the teens are not permitted to live at home or to communicate with their families until all members have been involved in the recovery process. Instead, they are accommodated by the families of other students who have completed the program.

While the approach shown may not be effective with all substance abusers, the stories of Krystal and her friends reflect the realities experienced by thousands of other adolescents. Emotionally harrowing, this compassionate program challenges professionals to explore new ways of reaching troubled teens and their families.


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« Reply #13 on: October 23, 2007, 12:02:22 PM »
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When I first started reading on this site it was in response to hearing that AARC is a cult. I googled "AARC" and this forum came up.
First of all, I am over 30 years sober by the grace of God and not by any man, institution, organization, or self will. I do know what “out of controlâ€
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Interested and alarmed
« Reply #14 on: October 24, 2007, 02:16:44 PM »
I started off as an information seeker and now I am genuinely concerned for those who come to this forum thinking they will find truth. Not everyone will attempt to verify claims and read through everything trying to be objective. I do appreciate Velvet's last post urging victims to go to the Calgary Police. If there are genuine abuses taking place then the best avenue would be through the traditional means.

The following is exactly why I don’t find this forum reliable, accurate or informative. My words have been either taken out of context or in this case:
A statement:
 
Quote from: "ajax13
Thanks also for ignoring the Hansard report wherein the Alberta Government acknowledges that AARC was Kids of the Canadian West.[/quote

was changed from its original wording saying that the Hansard document found on the Endorsements page of the AARC web-site claims Dr. Vause was a psychologist. I challenged that comment in a later posting and now it is gone. I know I cannot prove this. This new statement is also incorrect as I can see no where in the document that states AARC was Kids of the Canadian West. I did not ignore the report; I read it many times over. I now know why people are very careful to copy the quote rather than just comment on it or restate it. I still am not able to find any validated link between AARC founded in 1992 and Kids of the Canadian West proposed in 1990 and not, as far as I am able to tell, ever actually opened as a treatment center. In the ISAC report it states that it was opened as a “support center to aid kids who had been through Kids of Bergen Countyâ€
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