AP: Sexual Misconduct Plagues US Schools

[CCM girl 1989]

Now if you want to talk about out of the classrooms, and programs as a whole....we can do that too.

I will tell you that during my 4 1/2 years in placement there were 2 incidents that were inappropriate (of a sexual nature). I can tell you that 1 of the male houseparents was fired immediately. The other incident, was never truly resolved.

But, right before I was placed in my first program, I had a problem with a soccer coach of mine. He called me at my house one night, and started saying sick sexual things to me, he threatened if I said anything he would make sure I would be made a fool of. I was 11 mind you. I never said a word to my parents, and continued to play on the same team, with that same coach.

My point is, this type of behavior can happen anywhere, at any time. The programs, and schools (at least the ones I attended, even WWASPS) fired staff for this type of inappropriate behavior. So, I am really not sure what the argument is here folks?

This kind of stuff can happen anywhere. I hate to say this, I really, really do......but, there is less of a chance of it happening in a RTC as opposed to a Public School.

[TheWho]

See, now I believe its that insular and secluded society that breeds and allows for the cover-ups of what happens.  Kids are so scared or awed by these supposed gurus that are 'saving their lives' that they trust them.  The parents even more.  More than public school teachers at least.  Afterall, isn't part of the parents who use these shitholes claim?  That they're looking for a place where there is more supervision than if the kids are in public school?  Wouldn't that imply that things would be more secure and safe in TBS/RTCs?  Public schools don't have complete control over kids 24/7 like these places do.  Public schools don't have the influence over what kids think (not to the degree that TBSs do).  Public schools don't tell kids that they'll DIE without them.  Public schools don't break these kids down into the most vulnerable of states making them ripe for predators.  

Pedos like these close-knit little societies. Especially the ones that value program loyalty over the kids well-being.  They know that the programs will more than likely aid and assist in a cover up for fear of bad publicity.  Witness Larry Dubinsky at Hyde.

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Fear, isolation, humiliation and degredation are breeding grounds for these creeps and dangerous in general to the kids.

I don’t agree with your entire post, but we agree in the area that kids are safer in TBS since they have 24/7 supervision, are on a tight schedule (as CCM mentioned),  TBS’s have staff which are closer in age than most public schools, in most cases a therapist who they can confide in and in turn reports back to a therapist at home.  There is a much higher level of supervision than in Public school.

In the public schools the teachers tend to band together, protect tenure…they have created unions to protect themselves (not the kids), so the Pedos (as you call them) can hang on longer and then just move to another State when exposed.
The private sector has no tolerance, no unions or tenure to deal with…the person is gone in a heartbeat.



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[hanzomon4]

Just speaking from my own personal experiences, there was a lot of supervision when it came to the classroom in my RTC's. We never had any problems between students and teachers. Security was so tight, that students couldn't even get away with kissing another student.

Unfortunately, I do believe that kids that attend public schools have more of a chance of being molested by their teachers. Especially since most parents work, and don't feel like their 12+ year olds need to have someone at home waiting for them when they get out of school. Most parents get home around 5 or even later. There is a few hours where anything can happen.

I cannot say with a 100% certainty that there are not some perverts working at these RTC's, and they don't have their twisted fantasies going on within their heads. But, it's really difficult to get away with inappropriate behavior when these students are on such a tight schedule, and are always being accounted for.

It not so much about teachers in programs, but the staff in general. Pedos find ways to get to their victims and we know programs sweep things under the rug to avoid "problems". Public school teachers can lose their license and that seems to be one of the goals set for ending their abuse. But programs have no such thing, staff are not licensed at all. The cracks in the public school system exist as massive canyons in the troubled teen industry. Yeah kids are supervised... by their abuser!!! The whole grooming process would be very affective in programs, where intimate disclosers, rewards for doing things without question, and punishment for resisting is the norm.

[Anne Bonney]

I don’t agree with your entire post, but we agree in the area that kids are safer in TBS since they have 24/7 supervision, are on a tight schedule (as CCM mentioned),

Don't put words in my mouth you fucking moron.  I never said kids are safer in a TBS.  I believe the exact opposite is true and you know it.


 

TBS’s have staff which are closer in age than most public schools, in most cases a therapist who they can confide in and in turn reports back to a therapist at home.  There is a much higher level of supervision than in Public school.

And yet kids are still continuing to come out far more damaged than before they went in.

In the public schools the teachers tend to band together, protect tenure…they have created unions to protect themselves (not the kids), so the Pedos (as you call them) can hang on longer and then just move to another State when exposed.

That's precisely what happens in these closed, insular worlds that the TBSs create.  No one wants the bad publicity to hurt the 'school' so they cover it up.  As in the case of Dubinsky at Hyde that I pointed out.

The private sector has no tolerance, no unions or tenure to deal with…the person is gone in a heartbeat.



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Bullshit  Bullshit  Bullshit  Bullshit  Bullshit  Bullshit  Bullshit  Bullshit  Bullshit  Bullshit

[hanzomon4]

See, now I believe its that insular and secluded society that breeds and allows for the cover-ups of what happens.  Kids are so scared or awed by these supposed gurus that are 'saving their lives' that they trust them.  The parents even more.  More than public school teachers at least.  Afterall, isn't part of the parents who use these shitholes claim?  That they're looking for a place where there is more supervision than if the kids are in public school?  Wouldn't that imply that things would be more secure and safe in TBS/RTCs?  Public schools don't have complete control over kids 24/7 like these places do.  Public schools don't have the influence over what kids think (not to the degree that TBSs do).  Public schools don't tell kids that they'll DIE without them.  Public schools don't break these kids down into the most vulnerable of states making them ripe for predators.  

Pedos like these close-knit little societies. Especially the ones that value program loyalty over the kids well-being.  They know that the programs will more than likely aid and assist in a cover up for fear of bad publicity.  Witness Larry Dubinsky at Hyde.

http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=15689

http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=22969



Fear, isolation, humiliation and degredation are breeding grounds for these creeps and dangerous in general to the kids.

I don’t agree with your entire post, but we agree in the area that kids are safer in TBS since they have 24/7 supervision, are on a tight schedule (as CCM mentioned),  TBS’s have staff which are closer in age than most public schools, in most cases a therapist who they can confide in and in turn reports back to a therapist at home.  There is a much higher level of supervision than in Public school.

In the public schools the teachers tend to band together, protect tenure…they have created unions to protect themselves (not the kids), so the Pedos (as you call them) can hang on longer and then just move to another State when exposed.
The private sector has no tolerance, no unions or tenure to deal with…the person is gone in a heartbeat.



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Bullshit, Natsap hello? Not to mention in the GAO report one of the main points was the fact that often staff who abused kids would just go off to another program, no checks, no accountability, no nothing. Natsap called the folks that sent in stories to Astart "a few noisy complainers" and even the congressional panel was pissed that they could not identify one instance of abuse. The Alderige Academy lied about the father of the dead girl being satisfied with the "out come" to the father whenever he called them posing as a parent, that's not sweeping something under the rug or ignoring the problem?

Confiding in the program is a dangerous option for the kid. A hyde mom told us what happened to her daughter when she tried that. Also don't forget the program views all allegations of abuse as manipulation, c'mon that's programmie 101(something also mentioned by the GAO). Does anyone remember the New Horizons Youth Ministries cases?  

As far as age goes, wow! Pedos don't start abusing kids as some midlife crisis. One of the teachers highlighted in the AP story was first accused when he was 20.  

CCM while it may be your experienced opinion that kids are safer that doesn't jive with the fact that the reasons outlined in the AP story as allowing for this kind of abuse exist in enormous form within the industry.

[TheWho]

And yet kids are still continuing to come out far more damaged than before they went in.

You have got to be kidding!!  Okay what do we have, 1 or 2 kids who were sexually assaulted in programs  in the past 30 years……. We have 2,500 in the past 5 years in the public sector and these don’t include all the cases that go unreported. At least in a TBS many of the children have a trained therapist who they speak to once a week or more.  

That's precisely what happens in these closed, insular worlds that the TBSs create. No one wants the bad publicity to hurt the 'school' so they cover it up. As in the case of Dubinsky at Hyde that I pointed out.

Like I stated above, many of the kids have a therapist that they speak to who also keep in contact with the childs therapist at home.  If anything was going on it would be reported.



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[Nihilanthic]

Your baseless assertions and lack of proof are rather amusing, newwho.

Or, to be more precise, you're just lying and mucking up discussions and being extremely disruptive.

[Anonymous]

This is the public schools' immune system at work.

In some Christian programs, sexual control is part and parcel of it. (Care to top 100% of the students being sexually abused because *that's what they're there for*?) Can you imagine what would happen if a teenage girl was forced to divulge her sexual secrets, as what happens in CEDU-based programs? How about the pedo protected at Hyde? Or maybe the misogynistic insanity of Hephzibah House? They'd all get fired, every single fucking one! You do not do this in the public sector. The parents would go apeshit. You can even get permanently shitcanned and blacklisted from the public school system for so much as writing perverted fiction.

The public schools have a problem with perverts. The programs have no problem with perverts at all.

[Nihilanthic]

In public schools children can leave.

In programs they can not.

[hanzomon4]

Lord who, the gao found thousands of cases of abuse and neglect. You don't think some of those were sexual abuse? The insular world of programs does not report abuse  of any kind unless they can profit from it by claiming themselves as the "safe" option(WWASPS and boot camps are bad but we are good, give us your money... I mean kids)

Why is it that the schools listed on NATSAP's site like Elan, Peninsula Village, Provo Canyon School, CF wilderness, do not include the lawsuits and abuse allegations reported by survivors?

[Anne Bonney]

And yet kids are still continuing to come out far more damaged than before they went in.

You have got to be kidding!!  Okay what do we have, 1 or 2 kids who were sexually assaulted in programs  in the past 30 years……. We have 2,500 in the past 5 years in the public sector and these don’t include all the cases that go unreported. At least in a TBS many of the children have a trained therapist who they speak to once a week or more.  

Then quit putting fucking words in my mouth!!!!!  I didn't say all the kids who were damaged were sexually abused.  YOU put that bit of spin on what I actually said.   Kids are coming out far more damaged psychologically than before they went in.  Whether that's because of sexual abuse, forced confessions, the public humiliation or what doesn't really matter.  They're being hurt.  Badly.  Every day.  All in the name of 'therapy' and 'help'.  STOP HELPING!!!!!!!!

Like I stated above, many of the kids have a therapist that they speak to who also keep in contact with the childs therapist at home.  If anything was going on it would be reported.
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I don't think even you believe that.

[Anne Bonney]

In public schools children can leave.

In programs they can not.

This ^^^^

Lord who, the gao found thousands of cases of abuse and neglect. You don't think some of those were sexual abuse? The insular world of programs does not report abuse of any kind unless they can profit from it by claiming themselves as the "safe" option(WWASPS and boot camps are bad but we are good, give us your money... I mean kids)

Why is it that the schools listed on NATSAP's site like Elan, Peninsula Village, Provo Canyon School, CF wilderness, do not include the lawsuits and abuse allegations reported by survivors?

And this^^^^^

[TheWho]

In public schools children can leave.

In programs they can not.

So why all the sexual abuse at schools?

[Anne Bonney]

Because there are assholes everywhere and they usually are drawn to professions or hobbies that are centered around kids.  Boyscouts, Church, School etc.  No big mystery really.

[hanzomon4]

In public schools children can leave.

In programs they can not.

So why all the sexual abuse at schools?

Read the article....

Then complete this essay question: Do the same conditions cited in the AP article that allow for sex abuse in public schools exist in private schools and programs?