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Denise Woodbury Weighs in on Pinto Study
« on: October 22, 2007, 01:14:13 PM »
A-START SURVEY
By: Denise Woodbury, JD

As a parent of a graduate of both a short term wilderness program and a long term therapeutic boarding school, I filled out the on-line questionnaire.

I also studied the structure of the survey as a lawyer first admitted to the Bar 27 years ago, in which I have worked with issues involving juvenile crime and negative behaviors, interstate compact and child abuse, and over 15 years as a prosecuting attorney where I also represented the state’s Department of Health and Welfare on child protection and mental health issues. I have been court appointed on numerous occasions as a guardian ad litem for youth.

In my opinion, this survey would fall into what is recognized in law as “junk scienceâ€
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Re: Denise Woodbury Weighs in on Pinto Study
« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2007, 12:21:35 AM »
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A-START SURVEY
By: Denise Woodbury, JD


"The announcement of the existence of the survey and the invitations to participate were primarily initially made to to a small group of self-selected websites hostile to this private industry. This suggests a desire on the part of the people involved with the survey to make the worst case possible when evaluating the results, and consequently, an unprofessional bias"

MREEEOOWW! MREEEOOWW!  HISSSSSS!

Does anybody remember Lon posting info about this survey http://www.strugglingteens.com/survey.html here on Fornits, or CAFETY, or anywhere outside of the warm and fuzzy confines of StrugglingTeens?

Woodbury Reports Confidential
Residential School/Program Survey

   
I give my permission for my responses to be used in aggregate totals to be published from time to time in the Woodbury Reports Inc. newsletters. (Surveys without an electronic signature cannot be used and will be discarded). By checking this box I agree to these terms and wish to continue with the rest of the survey.
Email    
Your Age    
Your Sex      Male     Female
Today's Date    
Student's Age    (at time of attendance)
Student's Sex      Male     Female
Your relationship with the school/program at the time of attendance
     

  Student/Patient  Mother  Father
  Step-Mother  Step-Father  Other
Name, city & state of school/program attended (address & phone if known)
     
Dates of Attendance    (Arrival date)  â€” (Ending date)
Completed Program      Yes    Left Early    Still Attending
Please write a brief phrase that describes the school/program.
     
What were the behaviors/issues/diagnoses that led to the placement?
     
How did you hear about the program?
     
What made you choose this school/program?
     
Please list up to five or six adjectives that best describe this school/program.
     
Please list up to five or six adjectives that best describe your experience with this school/program.
     
What in your view were the most effective or beneficial elements and/or persons of the school/program (if any)?
     
What in your view were the weakest or most troublesome elements and/or persons of the school/program (if any)?
     
What behaviors/issues/diagnoses were identified and worked with in the school/program (if any)?
     
What changes in the student/patient had occured upon leaving the school/program (if any)?
     
If it has been some time since graduation, what long-term changes do you attribute to this school/program (if any)?
     
How would you rate this program on a scale of 0 to 5?
     0 - having a negative effect  1 - having no effect
     2 - a little helpful  3 - helpful
     4 - very helpful  5 - very effective and appropriate
May Woodbury Reports Inc. contact you for an interview or to ask for your permission to participate in further research?
     YES  NO
Any additional comments you'd like to include are welcome.
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Quote from: ""Denise on A START's survey""
The survey tends to focus more on the negative than the positive. For example, in the section asking for information about Privilege & Discipline Policies and Practices, there is one question on privileges, asking if the system of privileges and rewards was motivating for the child, while there are 32 questions asking about negative discipline policies and practices.


Notice the total lack of questions about "negative discipline policies and practices" in StrugglingTeen's Confidential Survey.  Those unpleasant subjects are detrimental to the industry's profits, and Lon's got his eye on the bottom line.  The industry is big business, teens are the raw material being processed and packaged.  So why isn't an official agency outside the industry responsible for checking what's coming off the production line?

Argh.  There is a "one size fits all" description for programs: The "Industry".  Denise's analogy about imposing wide-sweeping regulations on programs being akin to "classifying a chiropractor, a brain surgeon, and a natural healer into the same category and then trying to apply the same criteria to all of them" is lame.  Bazelon broke off relations with A START because the group wouldn't take a stand against all programs.  That seemed like an odd thing to do, but now I understand Bazelon's decision:  the task of trying to sort "good" from "bad" programs would be endless as the programs shifted policies, re-directed investigations, anything to deliberately slow the sorting process.  A piecemeal approach like that would be bogged down forever, while dozens of new programs opened, undetected.  Bazelon's right, nothing can be done to end industry abuse without taking action against the industry as a whole.

First industry-wide regulation:  re-familiarize program "clinicians"  with the Hippocratic Oath, specifically "I will prescribe regimens for the good of my patients according to my ability and my judgment and never do harm to anyone."[/color]

Leaving it up to program clinicians' ability and judgment is a proven failure.  They need effective oversight and real penalties for non-compliance.
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« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2007, 12:48:10 AM »
tell me more about this Bazeleon group.. they sound full of win.
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« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2007, 12:52:44 AM »
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tell me more about this Bazeleon group.. they sound full of win.


Win?
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\"Allah does not love the public utterance of hurtful speech, unless it be by one to whom injustice has been done; and Allah is Hearing, Knowing\" - The Qur\'an

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A PV counselor\'s description of his job:

\"I\'m there to handle kids that are psychotic, suicidal, homicidal, or have commited felonies. Oh yeah, I am also there to take them down when they are rowdy so the nurse can give them the booty juice.\"

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« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2007, 12:56:21 AM »
Are they or are they not jacking off to the middle ground theory of programmie compromises and other assorted cornholery?

-TSW
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« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2007, 12:57:55 AM »
We might have a number of 4chan/ED/Green-Faced Anonymous types on this board. Their lingo is the new leetspeak.

Full of win =~ Awesome.

Who or what is Bazelon?

And listening to ST garbage is like shoving rotten fruit in one's ears and calling it music.
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« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2007, 01:07:05 AM »
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Are they or are they not jacking off to the middle ground theory of programmie compromises and other assorted cornholery?

-TSW



Obviously not, they wanted the industry as a whole, not selective, unlicensed facilities.  That takes far too long, and every license money can buy doesn't mean anything - PV is a prime example of a JCAHO/SACS/TDMHDD/NATSAP flag-waving shithole.
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\"Allah does not love the public utterance of hurtful speech, unless it be by one to whom injustice has been done; and Allah is Hearing, Knowing\" - The Qur\'an

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A PV counselor\'s description of his job:

\"I\'m there to handle kids that are psychotic, suicidal, homicidal, or have commited felonies. Oh yeah, I am also there to take them down when they are rowdy so the nurse can give them the booty juice.\"

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« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2007, 02:12:02 AM »
What pray tell do they want? A nice little congressional rub and tug or a vampire killing stake to the heart?
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« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2007, 02:29:21 AM »
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What pray tell do they want? A nice little congressional rub and tug or a vampire killing stake to the heart?


I have no idea what Bazelon currently, pray tell, wants.  Check out their page.
http://www.bazelon.org/
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A PV counselor\'s description of his job:

\"I\'m there to handle kids that are psychotic, suicidal, homicidal, or have commited felonies. Oh yeah, I am also there to take them down when they are rowdy so the nurse can give them the booty juice.\"

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« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2007, 09:21:15 AM »
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Argh. There is a "one size fits all" description for programs: The "Industry". Denise's analogy about imposing wide-sweeping regulations on programs being akin to "classifying a chiropractor, a brain surgeon, and a natural healer into the same category and then trying to apply the same criteria to all of them" is lame. Bazelon broke off relations with A START because the group wouldn't take a stand against all programs. That seemed like an odd thing to do, but now I understand Bazelon's decision: the task of trying to sort "good" from "bad" programs would be endless as the programs shifted policies, re-directed investigations, anything to deliberately slow the sorting process. A piecemeal approach like that would be bogged down forever, while dozens of new programs opened, undetected. Bazelon's right, nothing can be done to end industry abuse without taking action against the industry as a whole.


Blaming the entire industry or placing them all into one bucket is the easier path.  Its what many call the “Blue collarâ€
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« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2007, 09:24:12 AM »
Quit your jibber-jabber, fool!

It boils down to whether or not the program is coercive, period.
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« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2007, 09:40:19 AM »
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Quit your jibber-jabber, fool!

It boils down to whether or not the program is coercive, period.


Exactly!!  and we will not know that unless we look at each program or school.... by joe I think someone turned up the dimmer switch!!

Keep it going!!  Think individually!!  Challenge other peoples thoughts!!  Put the flag down!!
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« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2007, 10:13:00 AM »
Shut up, D.S.  Log in if you're going to sputter your condescending, restraint-loving bullshit.

Gee, Who - you'd think your "good" programs would be blazing a path toward reasonable safety guidelines for the not-so-good programs to aspire to.  

All NATSAP has done is whine and mewl, and Catherine Freer's people have arrogantly insulted every program survivor.  

You've got to find some leadership, D.S.
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\"Allah does not love the public utterance of hurtful speech, unless it be by one to whom injustice has been done; and Allah is Hearing, Knowing\" - The Qur\'an

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A PV counselor\'s description of his job:

\"I\'m there to handle kids that are psychotic, suicidal, homicidal, or have commited felonies. Oh yeah, I am also there to take them down when they are rowdy so the nurse can give them the booty juice.\"

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« Reply #13 on: October 23, 2007, 10:30:13 AM »
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Shut up, D.S.  Log in if you're going to sputter your condescending, restraint-loving bullshit.

Gee, Who - you'd think your "good" programs would be blazing a path toward reasonable safety guidelines for the not-so-good programs to aspire to.  

All NATSAP has done is whine and mewl, and Catherine Freer's people have arrogantly insulted every program survivor.  

You've got to find some leadership, D.S.



 ::roflmao::  ::roflmao::


I wondered why he hadn't been around lately.  


D.S. huh?  

  :rofl:
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« Reply #14 on: October 23, 2007, 10:38:09 AM »
It's not even the same guy. This Who isn't the pre-October 20th Who. I think the old one got fired and now they have someone higher up writing the shill posts.

Probably because, with rapidly declining income due to negative publicity on the Internet and the assrape of the GAO hearings, they couldn't afford him anymore.
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