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« Reply #15 on: October 20, 2007, 01:18:23 PM »
Looking like peaceful persuasion is precisely what makes coercive persuasion less likely to attract attention or to mobilize opposition. It is also part of what makes it such a devastating control technology. Victims of coercive persuasion have: no signs of physical abuse, convincing rationalizations for the radical or abrupt changes in their behavior, a convincing "sincerity, and they have been changed so gradually that they don't oppose it because they usually aren't even aware of it.

Deciding if coercive persuasion was used requires case-by-case careful analysis of all the influence techniques used and how they were applied. By focusing on the medium of delivery and process used, not the message, and on the critical differences, not the coincidental similarities, which system was used becomes clear. The Influence Continuum helps make the difference between peaceful persuasion and coercive persuasion easier to distinguish.
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« Reply #16 on: October 20, 2007, 05:32:56 PM »
"Those big words are just druggie talk!  Now where's my cheque?"
His Emminence, Heavenly Ruler Above the Clouds, Dean Doctorvause
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"AARC will go on serving youth and families as long as it will be needed, if it keeps open to God for inspiration" Dr. F. Dean Vause Executive Director


MR. NELSON: Mr. Speaker, AADAC has been involved with
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Recovery Centre since its inception originally as Kids of the
Canadian West."
Alberta Hansard, March 24, 1992

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« Reply #17 on: October 20, 2007, 06:03:28 PM »
One of the most offensive aspects of this faux-medical "disease model" that AARC propounds (20 years after anyone with any insight in the addictions field dropped this version, given the evidence against it) is its anti-intellectualism and denunciation of critical thought.

A disease doesn't "talk to you."  A disease can't "be outside doing pushups waiting for you to make you slip."

A disease isn't some sort of demon or imp that has consciousness and can plan things.  A disease can't be manifest by the use of large words-- unless you want to say that intelligence is a disease.

At most, a disease can produce a tendency-- same with a gene.  A gene can't make you into an addict.  A gene can give you a tendency to have difficulty controlling your use of certain substances under certain environmental conditions.  A gene can give you a tendency to have an overresponsive stress system such that if you are traumatized, you will end up finding drugs more soothing than someone without such an experience-- and if you have the same gene and no trauma, you will have no elevated risk of addiction.

In fact, even with alcoholism-- the addiction most studied as heritable--most children of alcoholics *DO NOT* become alcoholics.

If both of your parents are alcoholic, your risk of becoming alcoholic is 4 times that of the general population.  That gives you a 20-40% risk-- which means, even at 40%, the majority DON"T become alcoholics.

Genes produce probabilities, not certainties in the vast majority of cases and certainly any gene ever found linked to risk for addiction does not sentence anyone who has it to definite or even 50% probability of addiction.

I urge anyone who thinks there is anything supportable about AARC to read the research literature and then come here and try to argue in favor of it.  You won't be able to if you have half a brain because the research clearly shows that confrontation and humiliation reduces treatment success compared to kind, supportive care and that the idea of "chronic, progressive and frequently fatal" is contradicted by the epidemiology, that most teens with drug problems don't wind up injaildeadorinsane-- in fact, most addicts and alcoholics recover WITHOUT TREATMENT.

Addiction treatment helps a lot of people.  12 step programs selected voluntarily help many people.  But there is no truth to the idea that you cannot recover without treatment, that anyone who gets clean without treatment or AA is a "dry drunk," or that addiction is always chronic.

We have science for a reason-- use it.
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« Reply #18 on: October 21, 2007, 01:45:39 AM »
ajax and special lady friend you are growing tiring on this site.  why don't you both go to a special island of your own. ajax has never been to aarc or aa but seems to know an awful lot about them (yawn) only because he shares a bed with his special lad...er I mean lady friend.  (double yawn)  who claims she was abused. Which is sad. I was abused before too. There are a lot of sick people out there.  Even in the schools we send our children to, the churches some attend, and, hell even in some peoples families... your sick nut happened to be at aarc, it happens everwhere, sadly. but is this your therapy? seriously?
and rachael, god love child...of COURSE you were not an addict, OF COURSE you only did drugs like 2 times (yawn) uh huh...
couldn't you all move on?  Seriously.

Melissa, I enjoy reading your posts. I have never had an addiction or spent any time in treatment but I applaud your accountability.  You are a good example of what it means to take a good look at oneself and work from within withough having to point a zillion fingers out to the rest of the wold and blame everyone else for the mistakes you made.  

Losers take note!
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« Reply #19 on: October 21, 2007, 04:19:39 AM »
Thank you guest.  When people with no affilliation to AARC find this forum and then repeatedly post on here denigrating those who are attempting to expose the rot in AARC, it reminds me to be grateful.  I am particularly grateful to have the opportunity to enjoy your deft use of words: yawn, double yawn, uh huh, zillions, etc.  It is truly moving to see a talented artist work in their medium.  Please don't judge us harshly guest.  Being handicapped with zillions of fingers, sometimes we feel like freaks.  It makes us hostile and unable to appreciate the marvellous contribution that you make to this forum, and through it, to society in general.
I am confused about your final exhortation though guest.  By calling on losers to take note, were you holding yourself up as some kind of uber-loser, a veritable Nietzchean Superloser?  Or were you simply pointing to Melissa as a loser to emulate?
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"AARC will go on serving youth and families as long as it will be needed, if it keeps open to God for inspiration" Dr. F. Dean Vause Executive Director


MR. NELSON: Mr. Speaker, AADAC has been involved with
assistance in developing the program of the Alberta Adolescent
Recovery Centre since its inception originally as Kids of the
Canadian West."
Alberta Hansard, March 24, 1992

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« Reply #20 on: October 22, 2007, 12:00:32 AM »
Ajax, I"m sorry you just don't fit in anywhere except for on here. Maybe you should check into AARC?
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« Reply #21 on: October 22, 2007, 12:01:14 AM »
Ajax, I"m sorry you just don't fit in anywhere except for on here. Maybe you should check into AARC?
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« Reply #22 on: October 22, 2007, 12:27:59 AM »
I don't know if my family can provide the Wizard with enough money or contacts for him to take me as an adult.
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"AARC will go on serving youth and families as long as it will be needed, if it keeps open to God for inspiration" Dr. F. Dean Vause Executive Director


MR. NELSON: Mr. Speaker, AADAC has been involved with
assistance in developing the program of the Alberta Adolescent
Recovery Centre since its inception originally as Kids of the
Canadian West."
Alberta Hansard, March 24, 1992

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« Reply #23 on: October 22, 2007, 01:19:44 PM »
Hell, I'll sponsor you.  You need some type of intervention!
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« Reply #24 on: October 22, 2007, 01:46:56 PM »
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Hell, I'll sponsor you.  You need some type of intervention!


Why? Because he's helping to expose abuse and help victims of abuse? Are you going to sponsor him for some sort of gold star humanitarian award?
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