Keith C. Russell

[TheWho]

 I could be wrong.

yes, you are mistaken... The SUWS I spoke of is in North Carolina and your story was of a different wilderness 2 decades ago.

[TheWho]

] I have explained again and again to many different people in detail precisely the reasons why I feel this industry should be abolished. As far as why you're here, it's to shift the discussion in another direction by any means possible. If you call that "balancing", then I suppose you are accurate; however, wise readers will question your motives for wanting to do that.

You have made it clear that you want to see all the schools closed down, but what I don’t understand is why people gloss over or ignore the thousands of kids who benefit from attending these schools and what the plan is if all these schools were closed tomorrow.  Just ignore their problems?  Allow the suicide rate to soar?  Let them to live on the streets?  Put their brothers and sisters in danger?.........

Many of these children have exhausted local service options and a therapeutic school where they can grow in a safe environment and get back on track is their only option left.

As far as shifting the discussion, if you read back, you will notice it was I who kept bring the discussion back on track.

I see your reasoning (and how it can be percieved the way you describe), but your judgement of the way people think around here is simply not accrate at all. Just because a person has a certain belief doesn't mean that he/she didn't go through a reasoning process ot get to that belief. Certain people come to the same conclusion, it doens't mean that any opinions they come to are byproducts of groupthink.

I understand, I was taking advantage of an opportunity to point out a few things…. Parents come here and read : “All the schools are the sameâ€

[Anne Bonney]

Hmm, maybe I was thinking of this one.  The deaths are starting to add up and I do get them confused sometimes.  Pardon me.


http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=21541

AAA was already "featured" in brat camp the british version which involved only girls.
-One girl was subject to "pain compliance" for over 2 hrs. This involved staff twisting both her wrists
-One girl got sat on in a restraint and had her arm twisted up her back
-One girl was still not allowed to eat cooked food after about 2 weeks in spite of being completely compliant, even enthusiastic. This was because she did nto master the art of fire making
-The girls were strip searched
-The girls were allowed to "confront" a difficult girl until she started cutting herself & the therapist was called
-One staff member told an already angry girl to hit him repeatedly till she did. He then restrained her.
-One girl who took a lot of speed exhibited withdrawral symptoms which included flu like symptoms. At no point did they decide that a proper medically supervised drug rehab was better

I cant imagine what they failed to show!!!!

http://isaccorp.org/documentsam.asp#aaa

Child Attempts Suicide at Aspen Achievement Academy

Salt Lake Tribune

Police Brief

October 20, 1993

Suicide Attempt:

A 14-year-old Chicago boy in a wilderness program for at-risk youths tried to kill himself by jumping off a cliff Tuesday.

The boy fractured several bones and suffered head injuries when he fell 75 feet in the Henry Mountains, about 20 miles southwest of Hanksville.

He was listed in serious condition at Castleview Hospital in Price, said a hospital spokeswoman.

The boy asked to go to the bathroom after eating and jumped off a cliff.

The youth was enrolled in the Aspen Achievement Academy, a two-month wilderness program for troubled teens.

Program authorities knew the boy was suicidal and were watching him constantly, said program coordinator Tim Marshall.

There were six other youths camping with the victim when the incident occurred.

It took about two hours for Wayne County sheriff's rescuers to retrieve the boy from the mountain.

[Anne Bonney]

 I could be wrong.

yes, you are mistaken... The SUWS I spoke of is in North Carolina and your story was of a different wilderness 2 decades ago.

Does the SUWS in NC use the level system?  Do they use Discovery Seminars or LifeSteps or LGATs or the like?

[TheWho]

At SUWS there were no large groups at all, groups of 5 or 6 as I remember, it was a great experience for my daughter…got her out of the rut she was in at home into a wilderness setting where she was challenged, learned to build a fire from scratch, organize and be responsible for her own clothes,food, shelter.  She got to experience what it was like to have to rely on herself and others in a group situation.

After a few weeks all the parents headed up the trail to find the kids and when I saw my daughter coming around the corner with that big smile on her face!!.... and she looked so healthy!!.... all the color in her cheeks!!!.... we headed back down the mountain and we all spent the night in the woods with our kids in control (Help!!!!)  She built the shelter, made dinner, built the fire and we spent the night talking about her experiences… one of the best decisions we ever made.

[CCM girl 1989]

At SUWS there were no large groups at all, groups of 5 or 6 as I remember, it was a great experience for my daughter…got her out of the rut she was in at home into a wilderness setting where she was challenged, learned to build a fire from scratch, organize and be responsible for her own clothes,food, shelter.  She got to experience what it was like to have to rely on herself and others in a group situation.

After a few weeks all the parents headed up the trail to find the kids and when I saw my daughter coming around the corner with that big smile on her face!!.... and she looked so healthy!!.... all the color in her cheeks!!!.... we headed back down the mountain and we all spent the night in the woods with our kids in control (Help!!!!)  She built the shelter, made dinner, built the fire and we spent the night talking about her experiences… one of the best decisions we ever made.

You know Who, it's so funny! Here you are on this thread explaining to them how your daughter had benefited from her experience in her program. I'm on the other thread discussing Heritage, and what a good experience I had. Nobody really wants to listen, all they want to do is say all programs are bad, they all need to be shut down, and how screwed up we are for thinking differently from them!

What's up with that?!!

[ZenAgent]

After a few weeks all the parents headed up the trail to find the kids and when I saw my daughter coming around the corner with that big smile on her face!!.... and she looked so healthy!!.... all the color in her cheeks!!!.... we headed back down the mountain and we all spent the night in the woods with our kids in control (Help!!!!)  She built the shelter, made dinner, built the fire and we spent the night talking about her experiences… one of the best decisions we ever made.

Oh God, the sugar content in that post is causing diabetes all around, you melodramatic Spam.

Do you make late night infomercials?  You got the spiel down, Shatner.

[TheWho]

At SUWS there were no large groups at all, groups of 5 or 6 as I remember, it was a great experience for my daughter…got her out of the rut she was in at home into a wilderness setting where she was challenged, learned to build a fire from scratch, organize and be responsible for her own clothes,food, shelter.  She got to experience what it was like to have to rely on herself and others in a group situation.

After a few weeks all the parents headed up the trail to find the kids and when I saw my daughter coming around the corner with that big smile on her face!!.... and she looked so healthy!!.... all the color in her cheeks!!!.... we headed back down the mountain and we all spent the night in the woods with our kids in control (Help!!!!)  She built the shelter, made dinner, built the fire and we spent the night talking about her experiences… one of the best decisions we ever made.

You know Who, it's so funny! Here you are on this thread explaining to them how your daughter had benefited from her experience in her program. I'm on the other thread discussing Heritage, and what a good experience I had. Nobody really wants to listen, all they want to do is say all programs are bad, they all need to be shut down, and how screwed up we are for thinking differently from them!

What's up with that?!!

Yes I know it is like you and I were not invited to the quarterly fornits LGAT seminars for "How all programs are the same" & "How to define or preceive the program parents psyche"

If we both logged on and told stories of abuse our accounts would be welcome with no questions to the validity of our stories.

Ha,Ha,  See the above post, by Zen....perfect timing.

[TheWho]

After a few weeks all the parents headed up the trail to find the kids and when I saw my daughter coming around the corner with that big smile on her face!!.... and she looked so healthy!!.... all the color in her cheeks!!!.... we headed back down the mountain and we all spent the night in the woods with our kids in control (Help!!!!)  She built the shelter, made dinner, built the fire and we spent the night talking about her experiences… one of the best decisions we ever made.

Oh God, the sugar content in that post is causing diabetes all around, you melodramatic Spam.

Do you make late night infomercials?  You got the spiel down, Shatner.

Oh, come on, tell me you didnt feel good when your step daughter did well at Sheppard Pratt .... you couldnt help but be proud of her and the turn around that occured.  For a parent to see their own son or daughter come so far in such a short time, when just a few weeks ago they lacked total self esteem and were heading down a direr path you would stop in you tracks yourself and relish the moment and it would become one of the highlights of your life...I gaurentee you.

[stoodoodog]

After a few weeks all the parents headed up the trail to find the kids and when I saw my daughter coming around the corner with that big smile on her face!!.... and she looked so healthy!!.... all the color in her cheeks!!!.... we headed back down the mountain and we all spent the night in the woods with our kids in control (Help!!!!)  She built the shelter, made dinner, built the fire and we spent the night talking about her experiences… one of the best decisions we ever made.

Oh God, the sugar content in that post is causing diabetes all around, you melodramatic Spam.

Do you make late night infomercials?  You got the spiel down, Shatner.

Oh, come on, tell me you didnt feel good when your step daughter did well at Sheppard Pratt .... you couldnt help but be proud of her and the turn around that occured.  For a parent to see their own son or daughter come so far in such a short time, when just a few weeks ago they lacked total self esteem and were heading down a direr path you would stop in you tracks yourself and relish the moment and it would become one of the highlights of your life...I gaurentee you.

This is way off topic and getting a little personal. The sad story of the girl who was transported from SP to PV is well known on this forum.
Now, what about Keith Russell? Is he a well known figure in Wilderness Therapy?
During my well documented work-out session with the Director of the Girls Continuum (now Director of Clinical Services) at PV,  I asked what they based their self proclaimed "high success" rates on.
"OUTCOME STUDIES"
"Which Outcome Studies? The studies done by Keith Russell?"
And the now famous response... WHY ARE YOU ASKING SO MANY QUESTIONS?

[ZenAgent]

After a few weeks all the parents headed up the trail to find the kids and when I saw my daughter coming around the corner with that big smile on her face!!.... and she looked so healthy!!.... all the color in her cheeks!!!.... we headed back down the mountain and we all spent the night in the woods with our kids in control (Help!!!!)  She built the shelter, made dinner, built the fire and we spent the night talking about her experiences… one of the best decisions we ever made.

Oh God, the sugar content in that post is causing diabetes all around, you melodramatic Spam.

Do you make late night infomercials?  You got the spiel down, Shatner.

Oh, come on, tell me you didnt feel good when your step daughter did well at Sheppard Pratt .... you couldnt help but be proud of her and the turn around that occured.  For a parent to see their own son or daughter come so far in such a short time, when just a few weeks ago they lacked total self esteem and were heading down a direr path you would stop in you tracks yourself and relish the moment and it would become one of the highlights of your life...I gaurentee you.

"Guarantee".  Once again, ye know not of what you speak.  I didn't see her leaving Sheppard Pratt, her father got her and took her to the airport.  She was so terrified of going to PV she tried to hurt herself in order to stay at Sheppard Pratt.  She knew PV from a brief encounter before SP - she picked up cutting at the PV Lighthouse, as well as stories told by girls recovering from suicide attempts, acts  performed next door at the full-on PV in an effort to escape.

Out of mercy, SP gave her a shot of Klonopine to keep her calm on the plane.

[ZenAgent]

Buy me a car, who.

[TheWho]

After a few weeks all the parents headed up the trail to find the kids and when I saw my daughter coming around the corner with that big smile on her face!!.... and she looked so healthy!!.... all the color in her cheeks!!!.... we headed back down the mountain and we all spent the night in the woods with our kids in control (Help!!!!)  She built the shelter, made dinner, built the fire and we spent the night talking about her experiences… one of the best decisions we ever made.

Oh God, the sugar content in that post is causing diabetes all around, you melodramatic Spam.

Do you make late night infomercials?  You got the spiel down, Shatner.

Oh, come on, tell me you didnt feel good when your step daughter did well at Sheppard Pratt .... you couldnt help but be proud of her and the turn around that occured.  For a parent to see their own son or daughter come so far in such a short time, when just a few weeks ago they lacked total self esteem and were heading down a direr path you would stop in you tracks yourself and relish the moment and it would become one of the highlights of your life...I gaurentee you.

"Guarantee".  Once again, ye know not of what you speak.  I didn't see her leaving Sheppard Pratt, her father got her and took her to the airport.  She was so terrified of going to PV she tried to hurt herself in order to stay at Sheppard Pratt.  She knew PV from a brief encounter before SP - she picked up cutting at the PV Lighthouse, as well as stories told by girls recovering from suicide attempts, acts  performed next door at the full-on PV in an effort to escape.

Out of mercy, SP gave her a shot of Klonopine to keep her calm on the plane.

Sorry to hear that, I honestly did not know that part of the story.

[TheWho]

Buy me a car, who.

What kind?  My nephew is trying to talk me into one of these (looks gay to me):



But  want the Shelby if I can get it:

[ZenAgent]

Who, I'll be your groveling bitch and greatest defender forever if I can have the yellow number...with spinning wheels.  Dammit to hell, I'm driving a 1978 Pacer with more miles than God's had birthdays...