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Offline Anne Bonney

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« Reply #15 on: October 04, 2007, 03:33:39 PM »
Me?  What did I do?


I didn't write that post.  Its from the CourtTV website.
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« Reply #16 on: October 04, 2007, 03:39:39 PM »
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Well of course I would be beside myself if anything happened to my daughter. But I believe I wouldn't change my opinion on boot camps.

What an ignorant, pathetic excuse of a human being.

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They can do what the law says a parent can not.


Where's that damn Red Flag icon[/color]???

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They have permission to get deep into a childs self.

What exactly might THAT mean? I'm assuming mind fucking.

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They deprive them of the materialistic things the child has demanded and taken for granted.


Are parents prohibited by law to do this? No, just too lazy.

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The laws these days protects the child so much, that a parent is lucky if they can take the childs cell phone away.


Lame excuses.

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Boot camps bring them back to basics and teach them self respect, self reliance and self motivation, what could be wrong with that?


What's wrong with the parent, is the question.
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« Reply #17 on: October 04, 2007, 03:42:50 PM »
I know.  I about fell out of my chair at that comment about 'boot camps can do what parents can't'.

How can these people sleep at night?
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« Reply #18 on: October 04, 2007, 03:44:21 PM »
I think they are going to get off...

Anne, I don't know how you can read that board. I can take reading the horror stories here, but reading a bunch of assholes writing about how they think this kind of stuff is ok.....

That's something I can't take.
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« Reply #19 on: October 04, 2007, 03:50:58 PM »
I wouldn’t get too worked up over peoples comments, Anne/Deb, they are bound to be all over the map.  I read some of the testimony and viewed the tape and it appears that the guards are guilty of abuse but not murder.  They abuse kids for a living all day and know how far they can push it.  Any healthy child should be able to survive what this kid went thru, kids are beat up worse than this by each other.  Although if Nurse Andrew had knowledge of Andersons’ sickle cell trait problem she should do time for negligent homicide, it is not clear to me if she had this knowledge, although if she didn’t the big question would be why didn’t she, but either way she was standing right there as a trained professional and should have put a stop to it.

Any way…. Just my opinion…so far.
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« Reply #20 on: October 04, 2007, 03:53:20 PM »
Any healthy retarded programmie can survive a thousand volts across the chest, right?

Actually.. probably not.

But TheWho is here, so let's find out!
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« Reply #21 on: October 05, 2007, 11:18:59 AM »
The defendants face a top charge of "aggravated manslaughter of a person under 18":
(3) A person who causes the death of any person under the age of 18 by culpable negligence under s. 827.03(3) commits aggravated manslaughter of a child, a felony of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
827.03 Abuse, aggravated abuse, and neglect of a child; penalties.--
(1) "Child abuse" means:
(a) Intentional infliction of physical or mental injury upon a child;
(*) An intentional act that could reasonably be expected to result in physical or mental injury to a child; or
(c) Active encouragement of any person to commit an act that results or could reasonably be expected to result in physical or mental injury to a child.

The jury can also consider lesser charges of manslaughter, child neglect and misdemeanor culpable negligence, convictions which would carry lighter sentences
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Friday October 5, 2007 Testimony
« Reply #22 on: October 06, 2007, 10:49:36 AM »
Medical examiner denies he was pressured to blame guards, nurse in teen's boot camp death
By Emanuella Grinberg
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PANAMA CITY, Fla. — A medical examiner said Friday that he was aware of tremendous political pressure to "resolve" the case of a teen who died after an altercation with guards at a Florida boot camp for juvenile offenders.

But Hillsborough County Medical Examiner Vernard Adams insisted that the pressure did not influence his opinion that Martin Lee Anderson, 14, died from suffocation at the hands of eight boot camp employees.

"I wasn't just working for my county. I felt an obligation to do a good job for Florida," Adams said.

Drill instructors Henry Dickens, Charles Enfinger, Patrick Garrett, Raymond Hauck, Charles Helms Jr., Henry McFadden Jr., Joseph Walsh and nurse Kristin Schmidt each face up to 30 years in prison if convicted of aggravated manslaughter of a person under 18 for the teen's death.

The eight defendants, ages 30 to 60, say Anderson provoked the encounter by refusing to participate in a 1.5-mile mandatory run to gauge his fitness.

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A surveillance video of the altercation shows the guards manhandling the teen, covering his mouth and waving ammonia capsules in his face on three separate occasions, once for as long as five minutes, while Anderson appeared to pass in and out of consciousness.

The incident sparked a national debate over safety in the paramilitary-style boot camps, resulting in the closure of similar programs in Florida. A federal investigation is also pending into reports of child abuse at boot camps across the country.

Anderson's death also resulted in the dismissal of the state's top law enforcement agent, Guy Tunnell, who, as sheriff of Bay County in the 1990s, created the Bay County Boot Camp.

Adams was the second medical examiner to perform an autopsy on Anderson after he died on Jan. 6, 2006, less than 24 hours after entering the Bay County Boot Camp for violating his parole on a grand theft auto charge.

Charlie Siebert, the first pathologist to examine Anderson's body, concluded that he died of complications from sickle-cell trait, a genetic disorder that impedes the flow of oxygen in the blood.

His findings provoked allegations of a cover-up by the Bay County Sheriff's Office, which operated the boot camp in Panama City. In response, former Gov. Jeb Bush appointed a team of special prosecutors from Hillsborough County, who ordered the second autopsy.

Adams denied that the fate of Siebert, who faced public condemnation and lost his job after releasing his findings, had any effect on his report, as a defense lawyer for Helms suggested.

"You didn't want to wind up like Charlie Siebert?" attorney Waylon Graham asked as he paced across the courtroom. "So you wrote a safe report that insulated you from what Charles Siebert went through?"

"I could not know what the reaction was going to be," Adams said. "I had to assume that, no matter what I opined, I would be criticized from one quarter or another."

In a lively exchange with Graham, who has taken charge of most of the questioning of the state's witnesses, Adams also downplayed the attorney's characterization of the investigation as "the autopsy of the century."

Siebert was on hand for the examination, along with representatives from the state attorney's office and famed pathologist Michael Baden, a forensic consultant hired by the Anderson family, who testified in the murder trial of music producer Phil Spector.

Even though Baden was "kind of a pest," Adams said, he let him observe the proceedings, but refused his request to use the scalpel on the exhumed body.

Adams also denied that he was favoring Anderson's family by permitting Baden to attend while denying Siebert's request to have a medical examiner from Fort Myers accompany him.

"I didn't need extra bodies cluttering the room," Adams said, prompting gasps from both the defendants' supporters, sitting on one side of the room, and the Anderson family across the aisle.

Adams acknowledged that before he performed the autopsy in March 2006, Hillsborough County State Attorney Mark Ober told him the governor was "leaning" on him to resolve the case.

But, Adams insisted, Ober never compelled him to reach a conclusion.

"He told me, 'You don't worry about that. Take your time. Do whatever you have to do,'" Adams said. "He didn't care what the outcome was, as long as there was an outcome of some kind."

Adams said he concluded that the teen died of suffocation arising from the guards' excessive use of ammonia capsules while they covered his mouth without giving him a chance to recover.

The doctor said the lack of oxygen prevented Anderson's blood from producing carbon dioxide, leading to a build-up of lactic acid in his blood that ultimately put him in an irreversible coma.Story continues



The pathologist acknowledged that the teen's sickle-cell condition aggravated the circumstances by further impeding the flow of oxygen. He insisted, however, that the guards' actions alone would have been enough to kill even a teen who did not have sickle-cell trait.

Defense lawyers contend that Anderson would have died regardless of the former boot camp employees' actions because of his condition, which they were unaware of.

"If Martin Anderson fell during the run because of sickle-cell trait, but for the actions of the guards, would he have lived?" assistant state attorney Michael Sinacore asked Adams.

"Yes," he testified. "No ammonia, no hands, no restraint ... there would be no opinion, because he is alive."

Adams said the guards' excessive use of ammonia made the case one of a kind.

His findings mirrored those of another state medical expert who testified Thursday that the use of the ammonia capsules were the "tipping point" in causing the teen's death.

On Friday, the jury learned that the highly concentrated ammonia capsules used by the guards were not approved by the Food and Drug Administration for use on children.

Toxicologist Cynthia Lewis-Younger testified that the toxic effects of ammonia increase with prolonged exposure and within a confined space.

Prosecutors say the guards covered Anderson's mouth and administered the ammonia on three occasions: once for 54 seconds, again for 57 seconds, and during a five-minute period that was broken up into three episodes.

Lewis-Younger testified that though there were no documented incidents of anyone dying from inhalation of ammonia capsules, she would not rule out the possibility.

The trial will resume Monday.
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« Reply #23 on: October 06, 2007, 09:00:06 PM »
sorry... my bad :oops:
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Testimony October 8, 2007 Prosecution Rests
« Reply #24 on: October 09, 2007, 01:45:38 AM »
Guard Testifies in His Boot Camp Trial
MELISSA NELSON

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PANAMA CITY, Fla. - A guard charged with killing a 14-year-old boy at a juvenile boot camp told jurors Monday that a video showing himself and other guards hitting, kneeing and dragging the boy depicts training designed to protect both the guards and the child.

Guard Charles Helms was in charge of the Bay County Boot Camp exercise yard Jan. 5, 2006, the day Martin Lee Anderson entered the camp. Anderson died early the next morning at a Pensacola hospital.

Helms and six other guards are charged with aggravated manslaughter of a child. Nurse Kristin Schmidt, who is seen throughout the 30-minute video watching the altercation, also is charged in Anderson's death.

Helms, a former Army drill instructor, said the camp was intended to have a paramilitary tone and the youth were expected to answer all questions with "sir, yes sir."

He said the youth were labeled under a color-coded dot system according to their backgrounds as juvenile offenders.

Anderson was given a red dot, the highest of five levels, because he had gang activity and violence in the file given to the camp from the Department of Juvenile Justice, Helms said.

When Anderson collapsed, complained of shortness of breath and refused to continue a mandatory run, numerous guards approached him because that was the camp's policy, Helms said.

Helms later demonstrated for jurors the hammer strike blows and knee strike techniques the guards used to gain compliance from the youth. He said the blows were a method of gaining control of Anderson without seriously hurting him.

Ammonia capsules were also used to get the attention of the youth, he said. Helms said the capsules were not used in a punitive way, but rather to determine if a youth was pretending to pass out.

"You have to hold it there for 30 or 40 seconds because some of these kids could hold their breath for awhile, but then you'd feel them twisting and turning," he said.

Prosecutors say the guards suffocated Anderson by covering his mouth and forcing him to inhale ammonia fumes.

Defense attorneys say Anderson's death was unavoidable because he had undiagnosed sickle cell trait, a genetic blood disorder. The usually benign disorder can cause blood cells to shrivel into a sickle shape and limit their ability to carry oxygen under physical stress.

Earlier Monday, prosecutors rested their case after testimony from Dr. Shairi Turner, a pediatrician and the chief medical director for Florida's Department of Juvenile Justice.

She testified that Schmidt, who stood by during the altercation, did not tell her supervisors that the teen was struck and forced to inhale ammonia.

Walter Smith, attorney guard Charles Enfinger, opened the defense case by telling jurors the videotaped altercation evokes an emotional reaction in people who don't understand the "paramilitary" environment that was required at the now-closed camp.

"It makes you want to reach into the screen and say, 'Why isn't someone calling 911?'" he said in beginning the defense's case.

Smith said the incident was "a day at the office" for the guards, who saw Anderson not as a 14-year-old child, but as "a 6-foot, 168-pound, adult felon." He had been sent to the camp for a probation violation after trespassing at a school and stealing his grandmother's car from a church parking lot.

"These are not rogue officers who are trying to punish a kid," he said. "Nobody is going to say that those hammer strikes or knee strikes were unlawful, they were strictly according to procedure."

Michael Thompson, former commander of the boot camp and a deputy with Bay County Sheriff's Office, detailed the camp's "matrix for passive resistance," which guards followed when a youth did not obey an order.

He said the matrix, which includes securing the youth against a fence and applying pressure with the thumb to the back of the head behind the ear, was used when a youth refused to unclench his fist , something the guards said Anderson did during throughout their encounter.

"If the fists stay clenched, he is choosing to disobey an order," he said.

Under cross-examination by prosecutor Scott Harmon, Thompson said guards were trained to use the least amount of force necessary to accomplish their objective under the matrix.
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« Reply #25 on: October 09, 2007, 02:33:05 AM »
Ah yes, the "make yourselves look like sickos so the jury will want to see you all hang" defense.

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« Reply #26 on: October 09, 2007, 03:23:44 AM »
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Ah yes, the "make yourselves look like sickos so the jury will want to see you all hang" defense.


Yeah... the "what they did was normal!  It happens every day at this camp!" defense... lol... good luck with that.
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Trial Testimony Tuesday October 9, 2007
« Reply #27 on: October 10, 2007, 01:59:03 AM »
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Signs were normal, boot camp RN says
Nurse thought the ailing teenager was malingering, she testifies.
By ABBIE VANSICKLE
Published October 10, 2007


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PANAMA CITY - Martin Lee Anderson told the nurse he couldn't breathe, that he couldn't run anymore.
Still, she stood by, watching in her white lab coat, hands on her hips.

Kristin Schmidt did so because the 14-year-old's vital signs were normal, his words the only evidence of any crisis, she testified Tuesday. And in boot camp, she said, talk wasn't enough.

NURSE TAKES THE STAND !

The registered nurse assumed he was malingering, she said.

"In the boot camp, you can't just stop activities because of words," said Schmidt, 54. "You have to look for signs and symptoms, or the boot camp would not have existed."

Schmidt testified along with three former drill instructors Tuesday in the trial of eight boot camp employees accused of killing Anderson. It was the fifth day of the trial, which is expected to last through the week.

Schmidt, Charles Helms Jr., Raymond Hauck, Patrick Garrett, Henry Dickens, Charles Enfinger, Henry McFadden Jr. and Joseph Walsh face charges of aggravated manslaughter of a child, which carries a maximum of 30 years in prison.

The boot camp case garnered national attention after the release of a videotape that showed guards striking the boy. In that video, Schmidt stood out.

Wearing a white suit, she stood out in the courtroom, too.

She testified that she thought the teen was simply faking to get out of finishing the required 11/2-mile run around the boot camp yard. She'd checked him earlier that day, and the only medical concern she had was a hangnail on his finger.

When she heard there was a problem, she went out to the boot camp yard.

She said she listened to his lungs and checked his pulse. Both were normal.

"I asked him, 'What makes you think you can't breathe?'" she recalled. "He said, 'I can't breathe.'"

She turned to Enfinger.

"I think I was letting Enfinger know that I couldn't see anything physically wrong with him," she said. "It looked like malingering."

It wasn't until the teen was lying motionless in the boot camp yard that Schmidt believed there was a serious problem and requested 911.

Early the next morning, she got a call that Anderson had died.

She said she went into her own son's bedroom, and looking at him, thought of Anderson's mother.

"I knew she wasn't going to see her son anymore, and I didn't know why," Schmidt said. On the witness stand, the nurse started to cry.

In cross examination, testimony was tense. Schmidt repeatedly said she couldn't understand the questions. It became such an issue that Circuit Judge Michael Overstreet asked the jury to leave the room while attorneys could consult on the matter. Eventually, the nurse agreed to continue.

Anderson's mother, Gina Jones, watched much of the nurse's testimony, but she left the courtroom during the video.

Asked what she thought, Jones said only, "No ma'am, not right now. Thank you."

Jurors also heard from Helms, Hauck and Garrett.

The drill instructors all said ammonia capsules, which were used on Anderson, had been used at the camp for years. None was aware of any injuries from them, but all agreed no one ever asked permission from the Department of Juvenile Justice to use the capsules to determine whether teens were faking illness.

"So in all the years that this ammonia's been used, going back to 1994, correct? And the way that you use it, you never went to the DJJ to say, 'Is this okay? Can we use it the way we're using it?'" asked Assistant State Attorney Mike Sinacore.

"Yes, sir, that's correct," Helms said.

Sinacore pressed Helms on his treatment of the teen. Even as Anderson's body went limp, Helms continued to apply ammonia to the teen's nose, while covering his mouth, Helms testified.

"What did Martin Anderson have to do to extricate himself from this situation?" Sinacore said.

"At any time he could have walked, got up, walked to finish the run, made some communication with somebody that he could not walk anymore," Helms said.

At 10:30 a.m., jurors heard from Hauck, 49, who was third-in-command at the camp and trained others in use of force techniques. He said he didn't think ammonia capsules could harm anyone.

"To my knowledge and experience, ammonia capsules are pretty much harmless," he said.

When the teen became unresponsive, Hauck had no idea what was wrong, he said.

"It scared me to death," he said.

Garrett, 30, was supervising the yard when the teen collapsed. He said Anderson gave mixed signals, acting as though he couldn't control his body one moment, fighting back the next.

"He seemed like he would just lay there limp and, all of a sudden, he would just jerk," Garrett said. "It was extremely confusing, what was going on."

His attorney, Robert Sombathy, asked Garrett if he has any regrets.

"Is there anything you would have done differently?" Sombathy asked.

Garrett answered slowly, his voice soft: "Everything."

Abbie VanSickle can be reached at vansickle@sptimes.com or 813-226-3373.
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« Reply #28 on: October 10, 2007, 04:34:25 AM »
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Garrett answered slowly, his voice soft: "Everything."


Yeah, nice acting, cuntrag.
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« Reply #29 on: October 10, 2007, 10:55:06 AM »
Slightly off topic, but not .. if you know what I mean

I was wondering why they used ammonia capsules in the first place? What exactly was the 'purpose' and why were they even on camp in the 1st place/

I just don't understand out of everything in this case, why that course of action was taken, I don't know about the US but anything that contains ammonia in the UK is clearly labelled 'DO NOT INHALE'  :-?
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