Clarification

[ajax13]

As there are currently two AARC miracles facing murder charges, it is important that the two are not confused.  Andy E. has apparently killed a hooker, while Cody B. apparently killed a man in a robbery.  The hits just keep coming.  A massive service at the AARC church was underway as I drove by today.  Perhaps someone will figure out a way for the joint to get a license of some kind and also one for the Wizard before the whole thing explodes in the press.  Don't worry AARColytes, this won't be left to the Sun.  Nobody who ever looked at this before knew that the Wiz was a complete fraud with no license, no qualifications, no training.  And nobody knew that it was a spin-off of Kids.  And the last time W5 poked around, Miller Newton hadn't been run out on a rail.  And nobody knew that the Wizard had learned the art of child torture at Kids.  But they do now.  And nobody knew how many "miracles" were so damaged that they were killing themselves or others at an astounding rate.  PS where is Peter S?  One of three "miracles" from a single ruined family.

[ajax13]

Apparently Cody B's co-accused is an AARC miracle.  Jason W. also carries the message.  All About Receiving Cash is also All About Raging Carnage.  Please, more socks and underwear!

[Anonymous]

Three more murder charges this week by AARC graduates ... in ADDITION to the ones you mentioned

and another suicide.

So that's what? FIVE murders? In the last Month?

How many graduates? 350?

What is this 1.43% And that's not including the suicides

It's been operating for 17 years? How many other murders have there been in the 16 years and 11 months prior to this?

[Anonymous]

So Dean Vause talks about 3 murders in RAPs today.  Are these fresh murders or is this old news.  Or is it three grads INVOLVED in murders?

Whatever, that's a pretty good success rate for the program I would think.  But what puzzles me is why the wiz would even be talking about it in raps.  What is he saying, really?

[ajax13]

Let's not jump the gun.  AARC only has three "miracles" facing charges that we know of right now.  Evans, Woods, and Bates, and Woods is only up for manslaughter.  As to suicides, Devon N. and Andrew M. are the only confirmed suicides in police custody from the last two years.  Mitch T. has been unsuccessful in his numerous attempts, so he doesn't count.  
  If we apply AARC's murder rate to the general population we should have a thousand murderers from Calgary.  Now that's not very good use of statistics, since the murders could be an aberration.  However, if we include murder with suicide and violent crimes, well there's a whole lot of unwell folks coming out of AARC.  Anybody know anything about Darcy M., AARC ca. '97?  I understand this may be  yet another violent criminal act, although I have not as yet confirmed this.
  Former "miracles" who have turned to prostitution, male and female, is a subject which is wanting for further investigation.
  The Wiz may just be better at destroying minds than was his mentor, Miller Newton.  It is a poor teacher indeed whose student does not surpass him.

[Anonymous]

To the best of my knowledge it is three MORE in addition to Evans ... I don't know the names though.

[Anonymous]

"Federal research shows for more than 40% of convicted murderers being held in either jail or State prison, alcohol and/or drug use was a factor in the crime." - http://www.drugwarfacts.org/crime.htm

Can we blame AARC for them all???


I don't think scouts has the same kind of kids that a long term drug treatment centre has. It would only make sense that there would be more violent crime out of a rehab then a youth group. Has anyone ever thought that maybe fuckin CRACK COCAINE had any part to play in this??? No No No wait..... It was the treatment centre that tried to help them get off the stuff. AARC is to blame in this one.

So these two, Cody and Jason, are doing drugs everyday, WAY before they end up in AARC. They go through AARC, come out and relapse. After a few years of continuous drug use they end up killing someone in a drug related murder. AND THE CENTRE THAT TRIED TO HELP THEM IS TO BLAME?!?!?! CAN SOMEONE FUCKING EXPLAIN THIS TO ME?? AJAX I'M HAVING SOME TROUBLE HERE.

[ajax13]

Alcohol and drugs are a factor in 40% of murders.  What does that have to do with the number of murderers coming out of AARC?  To apply your stat, then AARC has really blown it, since it would appear that alcohol and drugs are involved in 100% of AARC murders.   That means that two and a half times as many AARC murderers are on drugs or alcohol as those coming from the general public.  Nice work AARC.

[Anne Bonney]

Can we blame AARC for them all???


I don't think scouts has the same kind of kids that a long term drug treatment centre has. It would only make sense that there would be more violent crime out of a rehab then a youth group. Has anyone ever thought that maybe fuckin CRACK COCAINE had any part to play in this??? No No No wait..... It was the treatment centre that tried to help them get off the stuff. AARC is to blame in this one.

So these two, Cody and Jason, are doing drugs everyday, WAY before they end up in AARC. They go through AARC, come out and relapse. After a few years of continuous drug use they end up killing someone in a drug related murder. AND THE CENTRE THAT TRIED TO HELP THEM IS TO BLAME?!?!?! CAN SOMEONE FUCKING EXPLAIN THIS TO ME?? AJAX I'M HAVING SOME TROUBLE HERE.

Its really pretty simple.  Now listen carefully this is a very complicated answer.  You take someone who has some mental or emotional issues.  Throw them into the venomous pit of hell that is AARC where any shred of self esteem is blown to bits and its not gonna be pretty.

All these places are supposed to 'help'.  They all say that they have the answer, they deal with kids that no one else can, they're the experts.  They're very good at what they do, scamming people.  They're some of the best conmen you'll come across.  Cult leaders all have these same characteristics.   This is no different that a religious cult that promises that they are the 'chosen people'.  The idea is to make the victim dependent on the cult/guru for their salvation, their life.  To accomplish this, they rip you to shreds emotionally, telling you all the while that its 'for your own good' and 'because we love you'.  Do you understand what that does to the word "Love" to people like us?  Miller Newton told me over and over again how much he loved me.  Every single time I 'related' in group they all told me they loved me.  When they would tear me up to the point of convulsive tears after going through about an hour or so of being called every vulgar name you can think of, being spat on....they told me they loved me.  A lot of those people actually believed what they said.  People like Newton and Vause are different.  They live for the guru status they've achieved in this closed little world.  The power Newton used to derive from being in command of 350 screaming 'druggies' and having them all bow down in fear when he approached was intoxicating.  Still is for him.  They can't live without it.  Seriously.  They have to have it, however meaningless or small in the 'real world'.  Newton has a few stragglers, a few hangers on who can't seem to make a life decision without his approval.   Seriously.

Ok, I'm not going to threadjack this with my thoughts on AA except to say this.  Its no different there.  Dr. George Valliant was a board member of AA's National Headquarters.  He is the only person who has been granted permission and access to perform even a cursory study.  They know it wouldn't stand up to clinical, long term, independent research.  Ok, so Valliant agrees to do this study.  What he ends up finding out was that AA's "success" rate was 5%.  The success rate for spontaneous remission is 5%.  Spontaneous remission is doing nothing.  At all.  That's pretty eye opening in and of itself but wait, there's more.  He actually found that participants in AA had a higher death rate than those who did nothing.   There is an extensive write up here by Agent Orange.  He's a guy, alcoholic by his own diagnosis but sober for about 7 years or so, but has done his own, albeit layman's study on AA.  I would challenge anyone to dispute any fact he has on that unbelievably well sourced and documented site.  Its been an invaluable source of information for me in deprogramming my mind.  

Here's the Valliant study.
http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-eff ... l#Vaillant

Here's the section on Children's Gulag's (including a large section on Straight and its descendants)
http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-gulags.html


Here's some suggestions for help that he's found to be uncoercive, unforced and completely voluntary and 'meeting' or sponsor free.
http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-let ... what_works



Be sure to read his mail section as he has probably answered any question you have.  He answers every single email.  Every one.  And posts them in their entirety with no editing (save using Sh*t).   The hate mail is the best.  They can't win, no matter how hard they try, no matter how many personal attacks they throw, they cannot 'win' the debate on its merits.  Its really quite sad and pathetic when you realize how deep and widespread and mainstream it all is.

http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-letters.html



And I can't let this post end without a reference to this site too.  It too was essential in the deprogramming process.  Pay particular attention to Lifton, Singer and Hassan.

http://www.ex-cult.org/




Now reach waaaayyyyyyy back.  Long before AARC, parents, public school or anything else.  Think back to when you had a truly open mind and read those links above.  It will be some of the most important and life changing information if you can be open enough to take it in.

[Anonymous]

Alcohol and drugs are a factor in 40% of murders.  What does that have to do with the number of murderers coming out of AARC?  To apply your stat, then AARC has really blown it, since it would appear that alcohol and drugs are involved in 100% of AARC murders.   That means that two and a half times as many AARC murderers are on drugs or alcohol as those coming from the general public.  Nice work AARC.

ITS A REHAB. Do you know anything about addiction at all??? There are people all over the world doing drugs and killing each other. What do you suppose we do about it?? Lets say AARC goes under. What is the solution to the problem of youth and addiction?? People high on drugs are going to keep killing one another. I'm positive other treatment centres have had people go through and start using again, only to end up killing someone. From my own personal experience i've seen more people come out of AARC clean sober and happy then any other centre. I have no idea what happened at AARC prior to myself going through 4 years ago but since then AARC only takes the worst of the worst. The kids that have been in and out of jail, commiting crime, using drugs everyday. I know these people we are talking about, i know them all quite well. AARC wasn't their problem, it was drugs. All of these murders happened when they were under the influnce of drugs. So to blame this on AARC is to say that AARC is the reason that they are doing drugs? That is stupid and false.

[Anne Bonney]

ITS A REHAB. Do you know anything about addiction at all??? There are people all over the world doing drugs and killing each other. What do you suppose we do about it?? Lets say AARC goes under. What is the solution to the problem of youth and addiction?? People high on drugs are going to keep killing one another. I'm positive other treatment centres have had people go through and start using again, only to end up killing someone. From my own personal experience i've seen more people come out of AARC clean sober and happy then any other centre. I have no idea what happened at AARC prior to myself going through 4 years ago but since then AARC only takes the worst of the worst. The kids that have been in and out of jail, commiting crime, using drugs everyday. I know these people we are talking about, i know them all quite well. AARC wasn't their problem, it was drugs. All of these murders happened when they were under the influnce of drugs. So to blame this on AARC is to say that AARC is the reason that they are doing drugs? That is stupid and false.

Its really pretty simple.  Now listen carefully this is a very complicated answer.  You take someone who has some mental or emotional issues.  Throw them into the venomous pit of hell that is AARC where any shred of self esteem is blown to bits and its not gonna be pretty.

All these places are supposed to 'help'.  They all say that they have the answer, they deal with kids that no one else can, they're the experts.  They're very good at what they do, scamming people.  They're some of the best conmen you'll come across.  Cult leaders all have these same characteristics.   This is no different that a religious cult that promises that they are the 'chosen people'.  The idea is to make the victim dependent on the cult/guru for their salvation, their life.  To accomplish this, they rip you to shreds emotionally, telling you all the while that its 'for your own good' and 'because we love you'.  Do you understand what that does to the word "Love" to people like us?  Miller Newton told me over and over again how much he loved me.  Every single time I 'related' in group they all told me they loved me.  When they would tear me up to the point of convulsive tears after going through about an hour or so of being called every vulgar name you can think of, being spat on....they told me they loved me.  A lot of those people actually believed what they said.  People like Newton and Vause are different.  They live for the guru status they've achieved in this closed little world.  The power Newton used to derive from being in command of 350 screaming 'druggies' and having them all bow down in fear when he approached was intoxicating.  Still is for him.  They can't live without it.  Seriously.  They have to have it, however meaningless or small in the 'real world'.  Newton has a few stragglers, a few hangers on who can't seem to make a life decision without his approval.   Seriously.

Ok, I'm not going to threadjack this with my thoughts on AA except to say this.  Its no different there.  Dr. George Valliant was a board member of AA's National Headquarters.  He is the only person who has been granted permission and access to perform even a cursory study.  They know it wouldn't stand up to clinical, long term, independent research.  Ok, so Valliant agrees to do this study.  What he ends up finding out was that AA's "success" rate was 5%.  The success rate for spontaneous remission is 5%.  Spontaneous remission is doing nothing.  At all.  That's pretty eye opening in and of itself but wait, there's more.  He actually found that participants in AA had a higher death rate than those who did nothing.   There is an extensive write up here by Agent Orange.  He's a guy, alcoholic by his own diagnosis but sober for about 7 years or so, but has done his own, albeit layman's study on AA.  I would challenge anyone to dispute any fact he has on that unbelievably well sourced and documented site.  Its been an invaluable source of information for me in deprogramming my mind.  

Here's the Valliant study.
http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-eff ... l#Vaillant

Here's the section on Children's Gulag's (including a large section on Straight and its descendants)
http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-gulags.html


Here's some suggestions for help that he's found to be uncoercive, unforced and completely voluntary and 'meeting' or sponsor free.
http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-let ... what_works



Be sure to read his mail section as he has probably answered any question you have.  He answers every single email.  Every one.  And posts them in their entirety with no editing (save using Sh*t).   The hate mail is the best.  They can't win, no matter how hard they try, no matter how many personal attacks they throw, they cannot 'win' the debate on its merits.  Its really quite sad and pathetic when you realize how deep and widespread and mainstream it all is.

http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-letters.html



And I can't let this post end without a reference to this site too.  It too was essential in the deprogramming process.  Pay particular attention to Lifton, Singer and Hassan.

http://www.ex-cult.org/




Now reach waaaayyyyyyy back.  Long before AARC, parents, public school or anything else.  Think back to when you had a truly open mind and read those links above.  It will be some of the most important and life changing information if you can be open enough to take it in.

[ajax13]

David, it's not a rehab.  It's a registered charity.  Rehabs have people trained to deal with physical dependence and addiction.  AARC has a bunch of ex-clients and a disgusting little fake with a mail-order PhD.
As far as AARC taking the worst of the worst, does that include Erin F., with no drug use whatsoever?  How about Darcy M. being treated for "anger addiction".  How about Jason W., going through AARC's magic as a sib and then as a client?  How about all of the 13, 14, 15-year olds?  AARC takes anyone whose parents will pay.  In addition they take a small number of young offenders in order to maintain their totally fake image as part of the War on Drugs.
  I guess you couldn't focus long enough to read Rachel's story, nor Mel's.  Neither was a drug addict.  But AARC needs clients.  It has to feed.
  People subjected to trauma are many times more likely to abuse mind-altering substances.  AARC traumatizes children, and they leave with PTSD.
  David, why do you keep coming to this forum to try to sell AARC?  Stick with the Calgary Sun and the local television stations.  Or better yet, go to open meeting.  
  This is not AARC.  You can't simply repeat lies over and over until they are accepted as the truth.

[Anonymous]

AARC only takes the worst of the worst?

My kid came out of CYOC. When he was brought to CYOC after 2 weeks on the streets his vitals were perfect. He had NO signs of withdrawl from either drugs OR alcohol and other than being hungry he was in PERFECT health!

Fast forward 3 months and he's admitted to AARC. No signs at CYOC of drug addiction and he's admitted to AARC and deemed the "worst of the worst".

I was actually told at an open meeting that he was the sickest kid in there. IF he IS the sickest kid in there then I'd say MOST of them don't need to be there!

CYOC told me they do get drug addicted kids in there, and have to detox them properly by qualified staff (not other teens) and watch them closely for a period of time.

They did state that my kid was NOT one of those kids.

Worst of the worst.

Okay...

[Botched Programming]

Just wait..... Give your child a few years into adulthood and see if their resentments toward you for putting them in there disappear. See if they actually have a level of trust in anyone, especially you.

I pose these questions to you as I have been in the shoes your child has been in, and I know what my answers for them are.

If you think "Thought Reform" and "Behavioral Modification" are such a wonderful thing, you must be living in a fantasy world. All I have to say is pull your heads out of your asses and smell the roses, not the shit you try to spew.

[Rachael]

No, no, no BP. You misunderstand. This mother is busy trying to get her kid out of AARC. She understands exactly what is going on.