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« on: September 22, 2007, 01:54:45 AM »
Details of AARC's most recent miracle are being kept under wraps out in Vancouver.  With the push on to open the AARC feedlot in Fort St. John BC, the hatches have been battened down.  Kitsilano residents already suspect that the fix is in, although Left Coasters have no idea who is keeping the lid on the Evans affair.  Although Evans murderd one of the most vulnerable members of society, the spin is already being put on the ball to blame the victim: apparently Nicole Parisien's lifestyle led to a deranged monster murdering her and dumping her body.  Countdown to the first utterance of "addiction is a deadly disease" in the Vancouver courts has begun.
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"AARC will go on serving youth and families as long as it will be needed, if it keeps open to God for inspiration" Dr. F. Dean Vause Executive Director


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« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2007, 05:08:10 AM »
What Andy did has nothing to do with AARC, so shut the fuck up. Do not use this tragic incident to support what you say about AARC. Leave the guy alone. You probably have never met him before, and if you had, you'd probably have some sensitivity about the whole thing.
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« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2007, 12:56:15 PM »
Isn't it true that AARC teaches that druggies and prostitutes have no rights? Being that he was an AARC wonder could he have perhaps been trying to show her some AARC love?
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« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2007, 02:00:46 PM »
I knew one fellow who killed a hooker.  He worked as a farm-hand for my family.  Spent twenty-odd years in Kingston, where he died.  last time I saw him he bought my a chocolate milk and Hickory Stix, but he killed a hooker, just like Evans.
  This incident embodies everything wrong with AARC.  In AARC the inmates are encouraged to attack other inmates with impunity.  The newcomers are objectified and turned into targets for all the rage that abused children harbor.  Inmates are in fact rewarded for this behavior, as compliance with AARC results in speedier movement through the program.  
  AARCies are like returning vets from the Viet Nam war.  Their psyches are destroyed by what they have seen and done, and thus they have massively high levels of crime and substance abuse.  
  AARC trots out their brain-wash victims to sell the program, but the AARC products who run amok have nothing to do with AARC?
Can't have it both ways.
  I've known a lot of drug users in my day, but I never knew one who killed anybody.  AARC's got about a one percent rate of graduates who are murderers.  And so far, out of the '98-'02 cohort from the "study", Evans is charged with murder, Tilden is incarcerated, O'Flynn was sentenced to AARC, Mazur is dead.  Since I just started looking into this in April, that doesn't seem to bear out AARC's claims to success.
  As for Evans, if I were him I would get my lawyer to use time in AARC as a defense.  Claim an automoton state induced by PTSD, caused by prolonged abuse in a con-artist's religious camp.  By the way, what sort of AARC influence will be wielded here?  My guess is that the Wizard shows up during sentencing.
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"AARC will go on serving youth and families as long as it will be needed, if it keeps open to God for inspiration" Dr. F. Dean Vause Executive Director


MR. NELSON: Mr. Speaker, AADAC has been involved with
assistance in developing the program of the Alberta Adolescent
Recovery Centre since its inception originally as Kids of the
Canadian West."
Alberta Hansard, March 24, 1992

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AARC is to blame
« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2007, 03:11:40 PM »
Andy was programmed to believe that he only had two paths in life, sober AARCie or wasted druggie. He was never told their was an inbetween or any other way of living. When Andy took that first drink he truly believed he had failed and would have so much shame and humiliation to deal with he put no restraints on his behavior (hung for sheep as a lamb). It is hard to understand unless you have felt that. I nearly killed myself after AARC because I believed I had failed and could never be happy.
AARC is to blame for that. AARC told this little boy that if he did not follow their teachings he was going to end up insaneinjailordead, and they drilled it into his head. When that castle started to crumble he had no reason to believe he would ever come out of it alive.
So Fuck AARC for teaching children that they are bad. Fuck AARC for teaching children their is only one way to live. Fuck AARC for creating a monkey, dressing him up for their shows and then unleashing a monster.
I hold AARC responsible this.
As for sensitivity, show some for the real victim. Not the guy who might spend life in jail, but for the life that was ended. You want to go to tell Nicole's mother that Andy was a really nice guy and she should show some compassion? You should pull your head out of your ass and step into the real world.
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« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2007, 02:53:35 AM »
^^^^ Yeah! What she said!
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« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2007, 05:21:25 AM »
I wasn't defending what he did... Are you kidding me?!?! i have compassion for the girl who was murdered. Its terrible what happened. But what i was saying is that there are 2 lives ruined by this incident. It didn't need to happen. But AARC is not to blame for this. I don't know if anyone on this site has experience with being so drunk and high you arn't in control of yourself, but that is the state he was in. Yet Andy should be held fully responsible for his own actions. The fact that you state, "I HOLD AARC RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS," is truly retarded. Pull YOUR head out of YOUR ass and step into the "real" world. Perhaps we could blame violent video games for this, we could blame the alcohol compaines for making such evil liquid availible, or we could blame rap music. Yes, this happened because of rap music. In alot of modern rap music women and veiwed lesser and discrimanated against. Perhaps those veiws were ingrained into him and in a drunken rage he commited what he felt was right........ That reasoning is stupid, as is yours. So is trying to blame AARC for this. So you can all shut the fuck up and quit talking about Andy.
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« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2007, 05:48:12 AM »
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I wasn't defending what he did... Are you kidding me?!?! i have compassion for the girl who was murdered. Its terrible what happened. But what i was saying is that there are 2 lives ruined by this incident. It didn't need to happen. But AARC is not to blame for this. I don't know if anyone on this site has experience with being so drunk and high you arn't in control of yourself, but that is the state he was in. Yet Andy should be held fully responsible for his own actions. The fact that you state, "I HOLD AARC RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS," is truly retarded. Pull YOUR head out of YOUR ass and step into the "real" world. Perhaps we could blame violent video games for this, we could blame the alcohol compaines for making such evil liquid availible, or we could blame rap music. Yes, this happened because of rap music. In alot of modern rap music women and veiwed lesser and discrimanated against. Perhaps those veiws were ingrained into him and in a drunken rage he commited what he felt was right........ That reasoning is stupid, as is yours. So is trying to blame AARC for this. So you can all shut the fuck up and quit talking about Andy.


No you dumb fuck, AARC inspires violence that one day will sink it. What you fail to understand is that the people that AARC hurt will one day speakout and what goes on in that hell hole will be known by all the world. Don't try to play us as fools we know, we fucking know about the evils committed against our family and friends.

AARC is more evil then the drugs and alcohol you blame for everything, including the abuse suffered by people we care about. Alcohol and drugs don't hurt people in the way AARC has hurt people, and that hurt is specific  and sharp as a knife.

I will enjoy watching this monster(AARC) burn    :flame:  

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i]Do something real, however, small. And don\'t-- don\'t diss the political things, but understand their limitations - Grace Lee Boggs[/i]
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« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2007, 06:17:20 AM »
"AARC is more evil then the drugs and alcohol..."

ARE YOU KIDDING ME??? DO YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT??? HAVE YOU EVER DRIVEN DOWN SKID ROW?? MAIN AND HASTINGS VANCOUVER IS EVIL.

Sigmund Freud believed that potty training determined a persons personality when they got older.
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« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2007, 06:20:49 AM »
Quote from: ""Guest""
"AARC is more evil then the drugs and alcohol..."

ARE YOU KIDDING ME??? DO YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT??? HAVE YOU EVER DRIVEN DOWN SKID ROW?? MAIN AND HASTINGS VANCOUVER IS EVIL.

Sigmund Freud believed that potty training determined a persons personality when they got older.


Oh yeah I know, I fucking know....

AARC knows, AARC parents and families Know....

Which are you? AARC staff, parent/family?
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i]Do something real, however, small. And don\'t-- don\'t diss the political things, but understand their limitations - Grace Lee Boggs[/i]
I do see the present and the future of our children as very dark. But I trust the people\'s capacity for reflection, rage, and rebellion - Oscar Olivera

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Post hoc ergo propter hoc
« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2007, 11:58:47 AM »
Quote from: ""Guest""
"AARC is more evil then the drugs and alcohol..."

ARE YOU KIDDING ME??? DO YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT??? HAVE YOU EVER DRIVEN DOWN SKID ROW?? MAIN AND HASTINGS VANCOUVER IS EVIL.

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I have, and I know someone who has been working with these people.  Inevitably they all have baggage that has led them into addiction.  many were sexually abused long before they started using drugs.  
Both sides in this debate seem to be using a logic of "after it, therefore because of it".    Nevertheless, it is clear that AARC is in and of itself abusive.  Just as some people who have been abused do NOT fall into a life of addiction or homelessness, so some people , graduates of AARC do not suffer long term effects either.  They get over it and are able to move on.  but that doesn't excuse AARC any more than it excuses the abusers of children.    It's also clear from the Picton case that the attitudes held by so many in positions of power that these druggies and prostitutes are viewed as the "scum of the earth" and therefore not worth bothering about.  It was also evident in the attitudes abounding in Prince George where the Judge was able to get away with raping and torturing young girls for so long.  As my friend has told me, even many of the social workers still view them as scum where they should treat them with respect.  The AARCOLYTES evidently do not understand the meaning of the word.  It's not the drug that's evil, it's the circumstances that brought them to the drugs in their attempts to self-medicate their pain.
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« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2007, 12:32:32 PM »
Hi David, I thought you weren'g going to post on here anymore.   Alcohol is an evil liquid.  So is maple syrup.  The two conspired to throw the 1919 World Series.  Why are so many grads of an intensive treatment program ending up on crack?  Woods, as an example, was a child when went into AARC.  Want to tell me he had a crack habit?  I've worked with crackheads.  They spend a couple hundred a day or more when they're bingeing.  Are you going to tell me that the thirteen-year olds at AARC are on crack?  Well, they certainly seem to be after AARC.  
As for skid-row.  How many folks on skid-row are graduates of the unique AARC/Kids/Straight/Seed/Synanon program?  
How many graduates of AARC are ending up using hard drugs, killing themselves or committing violent crimes?
Let' use another group.  I have seen  a lot of rugby players from Calgary drunk and using drugs.  So far, the only one I know of murdering a hooker  and dumping her body outside is an AARC grad.  So of Calgary rugby players who use drugs and drink and then kill hookers, 100% of them come from AARC.
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"AARC will go on serving youth and families as long as it will be needed, if it keeps open to God for inspiration" Dr. F. Dean Vause Executive Director


MR. NELSON: Mr. Speaker, AADAC has been involved with
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Recovery Centre since its inception originally as Kids of the
Canadian West."
Alberta Hansard, March 24, 1992

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« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2007, 06:02:03 PM »
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I wasn't defending what he did... Are you kidding me?!?! i have compassion for the girl who was murdered. Its terrible what happened. But what i was saying is that there are 2 lives ruined by this incident. It didn't need to happen. But AARC is not to blame for this. I don't know if anyone on this site has experience with being so drunk and high you arn't in control of yourself, but that is the state he was in. Yet Andy should be held fully responsible for his own actions. The fact that you state, "I HOLD AARC RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS," is truly retarded. Pull YOUR head out of YOUR ass and step into the "real" world. Perhaps we could blame violent video games for this, we could blame the alcohol compaines for making such evil liquid availible, or we could blame rap music. Yes, this happened because of rap music. In alot of modern rap music women and veiwed lesser and discrimanated against. Perhaps those veiws were ingrained into him and in a drunken rage he commited what he felt was right........ That reasoning is stupid, as is yours. So is trying to blame AARC for this. So you can all shut the fuck up and quit talking about Andy.



Wrong.  Rap music wasn't promising to help or cure him.  Rap music wasn't demanding full disclosure of intimate secrets in front of strangers.  Rap music wasn't telling him that he'd DIE without if.  Rap music wasn't 'confronting' him for hours on end to help him 'realize how bad he was before'.  Rap music didn't murder his soul.  That responsibility lies in the hands of those who tried to 'help' by force, by making him believe he was powerless and worthless without them.
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« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2007, 04:42:14 PM »
Well "Special" Lady, looks like they were right.
AARC told this little boy that if he did not follow their teachings he was going to end up insaneinjailordead. (why is that always all one word on here?)  And they were right.  He fell off the wagon and did end up insaneinjailordead. Go back to addictions and yup, you live outside of your own control.

Like you morons, on a blog site.  Seemingly ALL DAY EVERYDAY, and ALL NIGHT.

Don't you get tired of your OWN SELVES?

I guess I'd use too...
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« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2007, 05:39:45 PM »
You guys are messed up!  
For those of you blaming a treatment centre for someone else's actions...that is stupid...its a treatment centre, not GOD!  
If treatment centres didnt exist, there would be ALOT more fucked up people in this world than there is.  Think about it ... those who relapse, relapse, and are no worse off than they were...if ONE single person becomes a better person, then that my friend is a miracle!
We dont need 80 different people to blame for one person's misconduct.....one is enough - and he turned himslef in!  What is wrong with you people?????
Have some respect.....self-centeredness only gets you so far!
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