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« Reply #15 on: September 16, 2007, 05:31:53 PM »
Fuck this goddam fuckin' thread! :x

All this talk about ANGER has got me fuckin' pissed off!  :flame:  ::fuckoff::  :evil:

Shut up, motherfucker.. don't even reply to this!!  :evil:

Don't make me break my foot off in your ASS!!!  :flame:

FUCK YOU!!!!!!!      :flame:  :rofl:  :flame: ::both::  :rofl:
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« Reply #16 on: September 16, 2007, 05:35:46 PM »
Quote from: ""Froderik""
Fuck this goddam fuckin' thread!  :flame:

All this talk about ANGER has got me fuckin' pissed off!  :flame:  ::fuckoff::  :evil:

Shut up, motherfucker.. don't even reply to this!!  :evil:

Don't make me break my foot off in your ASS!!!  :flame:

FUCK YOU!!!!!!!      :flame:  :rofl:  :flame: ::both::  :rofl:


Very funny Frod.....
didn't help though...but it's ok
-DP
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« Reply #17 on: September 16, 2007, 05:36:07 PM »
Didn't help with what?

EDIT: nevermind; drunk and not really following this thread.
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ummmmm
« Reply #18 on: September 16, 2007, 05:37:05 PM »
Quote from: ""Froderik""
Didn't help with what?

The problem I have been obviously having.
Scroll back thru the thread I guess.
-DP
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« Reply #19 on: September 16, 2007, 07:42:20 PM »
Psychedelics such as LSD, psilocybn, mescaline, ayahuasca, etc., if used properly, can dissolve many of the Straight/Stepcult imprints.

It's true.

Marijuana, if used properly, can be an effective agent as well, and it tends to be less unsettling for many people than the more powerful psychoactives.

Of course, first you have to overcome the FEAR of "DRUGS" that was embedded in us..........

People who won't use drugs to help them deal with the after-effects of Straight strike me as being kind of like someone who is stranded on a raft at sea, with a storm coming, but they won't get aboard the rescue helicopter because they have a fear of flying.  The solution is at hand, and I mean this in all seriousness----smoke marijauna and destroy the Straight that still exists inside your head.  No, I don't mean that doing a bong hit will immediately alleviate all the suffering, but it will help you begin to erase the brainwashing, and cope with the aftermath of it.
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« Reply #20 on: September 16, 2007, 09:04:16 PM »
And on the other side of the coin, a good fist-fight could have potentially great therapeutic value as well! Just make sure your health coverage is updated, and have a gun ready in case things should get out of hand.
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« Reply #21 on: September 17, 2007, 12:15:56 AM »
Froderick is soo MeOw ^.~ AmIrite?
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« Reply #22 on: September 17, 2007, 12:17:19 AM »
Uhh, Eff not using my username! Froderik...... See I can't edit my post, LOL. Sorry  :P
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Too much anger or not enough?
« Reply #23 on: September 17, 2007, 07:19:57 PM »
Woof has several good points.

Efforts at suppressing emotions generally do more harm than good.  I used to bottle up anger and then lose it in a seriously disproportionate way.  Those on the recieving end could care less that 20 little things had preceded my blow-up.  This is especially true of my family.  Keeping it bottled up was easier on those around me, but I started feeling like my brain was wrapped in cotton.  It was as if by muting anger, I muted every other feeling too.

For me, I did some counseling.  I had trouble getting over my inherent distrust, but my employer "suggested" it.  It was like a huge knot in my skull got untangled a little at a time.  I began to recognize that I had many options in a given situation.  In other words, "auto-pilot" conditioning didn't have to be the only option.  

Now, I do OK in low stress situations, and for some reason I do great in high stress situations (I think its' what soldiers and athletes refer to as "situational awareness" or being "in the zone")

It's the ordinary, every day, "medium stress" situations that get me.  If I am not paying attention and something catches me by surprise, or if someone goes off on me because they are having a bad day, then, the genie is out of the bottle.  More often than not, I do OK, but not always.  When I do lose it, I have learned to say I'm sorry, without telling my life story.

Woof mentioned vitamin B-12.  I have had health nut friends mention this to me.  I don't know, but for me a good nights sleep can do wonders, though I often sleep less than I need.  Proper nutrition (another rarity) also helps.  Vitamin supplements seem like a prudent option.

Years ago, I started jogging.  Once I got a bit of conditioning, I found that an easy run allowed me to think through situations and see new options.  Whether the cardio condidtioning improved oxygen to the brain or the endorphins were the cause, I can't say.  I did feel happier, more focused, and less easily upset.

I'll be the first to admit that it's a pain to exercise regularly, especially for a closet non-conformist.  But, it helps me, when I can make myself do it.

Case in point:  some time ago, my youngest son, told me, "Daddy, you used to get really mad and stay that way a long time.  Now you get a little mad for a little while.  I like you much better this way".  The truth does hurt on occasion.

Several Posters have mentioned fear of anger to the point of withdrawal.  I know of several folks from the real world who suffered the same problem.  Any anger displayed in thier direction caused them to freeze and withdraw.  Psycho bosses can take this behavior as the perfect excuse to yell more ("And Another Thing!...).The self recrimination and depression can be destructive.  Anger must be dealt with, whether it's ours or someone elses.

Years back a woman I knew had a tendency to shut down and withdraw when anyone got angry with her  She found that bad things kept coming her way.  It was like an invisible "Kick-Me" sign was taped to her back.  After she was nearly assualted in a laundromat, she took a self defense class.  The program was called "Model Mugging"  They literally practiced defending from attacks - verbal and physical.  It's intensive, and might be hard for some to deal with the "practice" when they role-play a mugger or rapist screaming and swearing in your face.  They do in fact use a form of "Operant Conditioning" but in a more appropriate way.  She explained it once to me, and it made perfect sense, but I lack the memory cells to repeat it.  When she tried to explain that what she learned is now "automatic - not in my head - in my spine", I understood.  The instructor was a former military man and retired cop who felt the need to help abused women take back thier power.  

She learned how to feign submission to gain tactical surprise, retreat when appropriate, verbally posture to make would-be attackers pause, and when/how to fight.  They practice holding thier ground, countering verbal attacks, and other self protecting behaviors to assess and defuse a potential threat.  If they decide that they need to fight, they fight full throttle.

If you are a wise-ass drunk with a big mouth and grabby hands on the subway, God help you.  

I was able to watch her graduation video.  Screaming "Dial 911!", She laid a shot on a well padded Karate instructor that lifted him 18 inches off the ground - both fists under the chin and one knee to the balls - this guy was in serious pain through 3 inches of padding.  180 pounds of attacker knocked flat by 110 pounds of femine aggression, precisely and devastatingly applied.  In perfect street fighter fashion, she circled around to the head of her downed attacker, just out of reach, but ready to kick, knee or elbow his skull to bits if he opted to get up.  Her girlfriends on the side lines cheered her on, yelling things like "Eyes! EYES!  Jamb your thumbs into his EYES!"  From time to time, I imagine new girls on front row doing this to some ass on the rap stool.

I can tell you this - the change in demeanor, body lanquage and self esteem this petite woman experienced was simply amazing.  She learned to walk "heads up" and widen her "circle of awareness" when on city streets etc.  Not only that, but her relationships at home and work improved.  She changed companies, has moved up several positions with the new company and is doing well.  She's still got the odd, "freak magnet" vibe, but in general the freaks she attracts are less threatening.  Amazingly, she says she feels calmer.  Something about knowing what she can do if she needs to, keeps her in better balance.  So, I married her.
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« Reply #24 on: September 18, 2007, 07:50:24 PM »
DP---The incident you’re referring to…  with the employer. I know the experience, check my post on “Dealing with a Silverbackâ€
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« Reply #25 on: September 19, 2007, 12:30:07 AM »
I am deeply touched in my heart right now by the love and support shown by two of you, mainly.
Woof, and Lost.
You two have really helped me a great deal through this hard time of mine. I now have a lot of work to with myself, and a lot to think about.

Woof, it made great and perfect sense to me when ye started speaking of "IT", and "THAT". I have realized that caught up in life now that I have strayed from my calm on a deeper level than I ever realized before now. I mean to say I used to really be into Taoism.
For the life of me I cannot figure out why I ever strayed from it at all when it was really working for me. I own books like "The Tao of Physics", and "The Tao of Pooh", and "A Taoist's Masters Journey".
Why "I have not picked them up again to read them to help me get back in touch with the silence, I have no clue. You reminded me of this by talking about buddism, and hinduism etc....
I have tasted your "coffee" before BTW and I liked it, b/c it worked for me. So, I wanted to say a big THANK YOU, to you for reminding me of "ME".

Lost, your ideas of excersise and B vitamins also made perfect sense to me.  Physically I really need to start taking better care of myself. The fact that I am slim and trim, doesn't really mean I am at my healthiest physically right now. I have also had a very strong desire for a very long time now to take up kickboxing, but have never been able to afford it. I somehow will make myself able to afford doing just that within the next year. Also, your beautiful story about that petite woman known as your wife inspired me and touched me in a very distinctly feminine way, and in a good way.
It gives me hope that I may be able to benefit from the same thing,as well. You are also correct, I have been withdrawling in a big and self destructive way. I realized this point about myself and the "fear" of it propelled me into turning to you guys & gals here on fornits for help with the deep pit I have been in.
I am really glad that I did turn to you all before I let myself get any worse. It is easier to get worse it seems than better, getting worse can be effortless, as opposed to actually trying to "work it out".
So a big THANK YOU, to you as well on this one, as I really appreciate your help and concern.

TO ALL who have posted:
As for the ganja, I have already gone back through that to try and recapture what I had lost in Kids helping kids and it did as ye said serve its purpose at the time. That was a long time ago when I did that, not recently. One thing I have learned about myself is that sometimes when I am as down as I have been lately it just doesn't help me to participate in that. It can make me think to much sometimes when I am already that far down. No big deal, just a matter of me knowing myself in that way and my limits. I also will not drink alcohol when I feel like that, b/c of the very same reasons.
I am still glad that some of you did bring up that point though regardless. I am glad about that b/c new people trying to break free for the first time from the binds of "that place" may be able to read this thread and utilize that same information in their own personal journey of "deprogramming", as I do feel that it was an important part of my journey.
RTP. I totally get your point, please read above, and thank you for posting that. In saying that, I also feel that the person may have to be in the right mindset to achieve some form of bindbreaking experience from it all, though.

Woof, Lost...mental hugs from me to you!
Thank you for letting me feel loved and cared for even though we have never ever met.  That is what touched me most of all, especially when I felt so alone with all of this.
warmest regards to all,
-DP
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« Reply #26 on: September 19, 2007, 09:08:42 AM »
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« Reply #27 on: September 19, 2007, 09:14:15 AM »
And if ya don’t/cant/shouldn’t smoke pot, don’t go busting on people that do….makes for bad karma

LOL YEA, I LEARNED THAT. I THINK MY BEST FRIENDS DO
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B-12, Pheromones, Serotonin
« Reply #28 on: September 20, 2007, 02:28:54 PM »
Woof and DP, Congrats on working through this without anyone getting shredded.  And on Anger, no less.  Woof's thread on "It" and "that" deserve their own forum.

If you want to consider boosting your mood through chemistry, I propose a few alternatives below.

Woof and I both mentioned vitamin B-12.  In nature, B-12 is found most abundantly in red meat, especially organ meat.  This vitamin plays a role in metabolism, circulation, fertility and pheromone production.  As a result, it affects group behaviors.  In predatory species, dominant or Alpha animals exude pheromones that re-inforce thier leadership among the group.  Dominant animals ingest more organs and meat as they eat before subordinate pack members, resulting in higher B-12 levels.  B complex vitamins affect skin and hair condition, thus playing a role in libido, attraction and mate selection among predator species.  Some research indicates mosquitos prefer to bite animals with lower b-12 levels in their blood.  Could vitamin B-12 influence pheromone levels that are subconciously affecting how other people and even animals behave toward us?  Can our smell be part of our "personality"?  I think so.  Eat more meat, or try a vitamin supplement.  

DP, taking a walk is free.  For the price of sneakers, a jog is almost free.  Both increase your personal energy, and will help build inner reserves of stamina and it will strengthen you in preparation for kick-boxing.  Exercise also generates serotonin, a key brain chemical for clear thinking and a sense of well being.  

Taking a walk out-doors on a sunny day can do wonders for your well being.  It engages your senses.  Sunlight and exercise play key roles in regulating the endocrine system.  The endocrine system includes all the bodies’ hormones, which in turn affects practically everything.  

Sunlight allows the body to make it’s own vitamin D, something our society adds to milk because we don’t get outside enough.  Vitamin D affects the body in a ripple effect of chemical reactions, including hormone levels, immune response, bone density, muscle mass, etc.  Plus, it feels good.

I suggest you consider the possibility that your serotonin levels are not where they should be.  Sleep, diet, exercise etc. all directly affect serotonin.  Serotonin is a building block chemical.  It affects mood, stamina, etc.  As such, it plays a role in the biochemical process attached to the “Flight, Submit, Posture, or Fightâ€
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Lost & Woof
« Reply #29 on: September 22, 2007, 02:23:38 AM »
Just wanted to give you 2 an update.
I worked out today on and off for hours, and I am happy to report to you that I am no longer shaking from anxiety, and my depression as cleared it's ugly head.
Thanks again for the advice. I really appreciate it.
It amazed me at how fast it can work sometimes.
You two were able to give me a soft kick in the rear that I needed, and a sympathetic ear, as well.
warm regards,
-DP
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