New York Times Executives Resign

[Janet]

Anon, how many unannounced visits did you make to your child when he was at the WWASP facility?  Were you able to visit any time you wished just because you missed him or whatever?  When he was at level 1, could you just pop over to take him out for a soda?  When he was at level 2, could you drop by to take him to a movie.  Oh, that's right he had to EARN those things.  Like he had to earn the right to look someone in the eye.  Good Grief, newborns have that right and where is it written that you could lose such a right?
 He had follow the "rule" about not speaking  at certain times and certainly could not say anything critical of the facility.  Apparently, you are not familiar with our constitution which guarantees freedom of speech no matter how stupid or nonsensical it is.  And teenagers can say some pretty inane things.  They do grow up and learn.
  Finally, it is apparent that you do not know about the scientific method.  To prove that something is good or right, you need to do a double blind study.  Unfortunately, with one problem teenager this cannot be done, because you cannot send him to a WWASP program and also have him stay at home to see which way was best.  Hopefully for you, your child is very caring, because a more vengeful child would sooner or later discover what really happened to him.  Then you might lose him or at least lose his trust in you.
 My ex-friend sent her daughter to Cross Creek Manor.  While she was there, she was ill alot.  Since she was healthy at home, one could wonder if physical abuse by poor nutrition, inappropriate clothing and /or temperature control in the buildings, ill-advised physical activity or inactivity, and sleep deprivation caused her health problems.  And psychological abuse can effect health too.
 Was your child ever ill while at WWASP?  Did you drop everything and go to make sure your child was properly cared for?  Did you make sure they dispensed the necessary medications regularly and properly?  My ex-friend did not do those things, and because of that, I do not consider her a fit parent.

[Anonymous]

I visited my son at Level 1 - didn't trust him to not run away if I took him out.  That was my choice, not the program.  He had the flu once and a cold once.  He was taken to the doctor as a precaution both times. He had regular dental visits and a physical once. Played baseball on the team in town, did a few car washes and visited local organizations and hiked in the mountains several times, plus a lot of other fun activities.    Throughout his stay he gained weight, worked out at a gym and was healthier than he was in the previous 2 years. He caught up in his academics and surpassed 1/2 a grade. And yes, I arrived unannounced on several occasions and was met with open arms.  Where did you get this information?  WWASP "recommends" certain level priviledges, however, it is ultimately up to us if we agree or not. I didnt give up parental rights.

What I'm getting is that information on this site is not coming from those of us that have enjoyed the pleasure of what really goes on. I only share what I have first hand knowledge of.

I'm open to sharing my view, and I suppose I'm also open to the attacks - Could be my word isn't as good as the newspapers?

[Anonymous]

Spots - The mail is not edited.  The letters I received from my son in the beginning were so bad I wished they had been edited.  The language,the blame, the anger, were all right there in pen and paper.  You don't need to convince me of your view.  You love your grand daughter, that's what's counts.

[anon]

[ This Message was edited by: KarenZ on 2003-10-16 19:26 ]

[Janet]

Anon, I agree with Karen.  My ex-friend did not see her daughter for 8 months.  She wanted to see her sooner, but she could not, and she would not buck the rules.  Any facility that would not allow unannounced visits probably has something to hide.  Therefore, I do not believe you when you stated that you saw your son when he was on level 1.

My ex-friend's daughter had bouts of pneumonia, a very serious illness.  She never went to see if she received proper care.  I tell you, if my child was in such a facility because I  was fooled by it's slick advertising, I would be there to see that my child was properly cared for the first time she came down with something like pneumonia.  The second time she became ill with pneumonia, she would be out of there!  My ex-friend,like you, equated pneumonia with simple flu and the common cold.

[Anonymous]

:flame:  SINCE YOU DONT WANT TO SAY WHO YOU ARE, I WONT EITHER!! I SPOKE TO TIM, MY CHILD WAS AT DUNDEE, SOOO PLEASE GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT, :evil: LETS FACE IT, YOU DONT KNOW WHO TALKED TO TIM! YOU JUST ASSUME HE MADE IT UP!!   WRONG!!!!  WERE YOU THERE? OR DO YOU JUST BELIEVE YOU DID THE BEST FOR YOUR CHILD!!!!!!  YOU NEED TO LOOK AT FACTS RE WWASP!!! YOU DONT SEE HAVARD ACCUSED OF ABUSE!!!!! AND THEIR SCHOOLS SHUT DOWN!!!   YOU MY FRIEND (NOT) ARE WAY WRONG!!!!!!

[Anonymous]

PEOPLE MAGAZINE POSTED NAMES SO IF IT CAME FROM HIM, HE MUST HAVE KNOWN WHO THEY WERE! :lol:

[Anonymous]

:flame: YOU SAY 30 STUDENTS TRASHED THE PLACE!!   WRONG ABOUT 30 STUDENTS TRASHING THE PLACE!  THE 30 LEFT AT THE BEGINING, MOST OF THE ONES TRASHING WERE STILL THERE TRASHING, THE 30 LEFT   GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT!!!!!!

[Anonymous]

one word, delusional

[Anonymous]

dental visit?  our so-called family rep said that seeing the dentist is a "privilege", that at level one my son didn't  qualify for that privilege.  i asked every time we spoke, what rules had been broken, this week, that would prevent him from calling home.  The last time i spoke to her, she was riffling through her paperwork on the other end of the line, and found, oh, it was for masterbation.  That was it.  I was out the door.  I had heard enough, seen enough reports and heard enough accounts of the crazy wacked out shit that goes on there.  Abuse! thats an understatement.  why don't you go read http://www.nospank.com and see what you are risking, by trusting these people and giving them permission to "restrain" your child?  Ask Paul Choy's parents how they feel about restraints.

[Anonymous]

baseball?  car washes? dental visits? lots of fun activities?  pleasure? ::  my son did NONE of these things.  He said they weren't even allowed to shovel snow.  I guess when you want to go OUTSIDE those prison walls other than to walk in circles in this little courtyard (yes, i saw the courtyard) so badly, even the idea of shovling snow seems fun.  
what facility was your son at?

[Anonymous]

my son told me on his first day there, he didn'tknow you couldn't smile there that was wrestled to the ground and sat upon for smiling, that the fucker who did that to him had his stomache pressed so hard against his face that he couldn't breathe.  take a look, please, look at nospank.com, see what could happen.  Gee, sounds like so much fun and pleasure there, at the wwasp facility, boy, i ought to maybe check myself in there :scared:

[Anonymous]

my apologies, its nospank.net/camps/htm. no it is not specifically regarding wasp, but i have heard from too many kids their description of "restraint",
restraint is restraint,regardless of where it happens and we all know how kind and loving the wasp staff are

[FaceKhan]

Its not restraint the way a normal human being would think of it. They just call it restraint to sanitize what it really is. What they call restraint is torture and a form of physical abuse.

Restraint is when you hold back a person from harming themselves or others. Torture is crushing someone beneath you until they are near passing out or forcing a person into an unnatural position for long periods of time.

The starvation makes them weak, the emotional abuse makes them weak, the sleep deprivation makes them weak, but in the end its all just to make it a little easier to enforce their will on a kid through physical torture.

[Anonymous]

Thank you for expounding on what it means to be restrained.  I think that most parents, as I, when they are told about possibility of needing to "restrain" your child, they think about a psychotic person, crazed out of their, attacking others, being strapped to a hospital bed, that was the image in my mind.  Gosh, now way would my son need that.  They don't think it means being caught smiling, so your thrown to the ground, sat on, with someone's knee pressed against your head.  There is a high risk of asphyxiation, especially b/c they are physically weak and emotionally bankrupt.