Where do we go from here?

[ajax13]

Sorry guest, but you have this forum confused with a religious phenomenon.  If you're looking for someone to help you believe, why don't you have a sit-down with the Wizard?  Now out of the three hundred odd grads, (we won't count all of the kids who escaped, or whose families couldn't/wouldn't pay anymore) at least two have committed suicide in jail, one ran down and killed a man while drunk, one beat a hooker to death and one is doing time for assaulting an old man to get money for crack.  These are graduates who underwent a full regimen of the Wizard's magic treatment.  Read the posts from Mel or Rachel or my Special Lady Friend, or Penner'sdaddy and add them to the list.  But you won't need a list of victims.  One or two of the more heinous cases will do to close the place down once the matter hits the courts.  Sorry nobody could help you to believe, but you could always try Scientology.

[Anonymous]

Put your big words to use then AJAX13!  Ha.
It would be closed, yet it's endorsed by the police and every other big wig in this city. AARC ain't going nowhere....that's what kills you...oh but wait. You've never even seen the inside of the walls...that's right.

Couldn't/shouldn't you put your energy somewhere else?  Like world famine, hell go to iraq and fight a real cause. At least you'd have more back up than this sad blog.

[ajax13]

Where to start with this JC?  Straight was endorsed by the Reagans.  As you're pro-AARC, I'm going to assume you're fairly ignorant, so I'll explain to you who the Reagans were.  Ronald was the president of the United States of America from 1980 to 1988, and Nancy was his wife.  Straight was the program that spawned Kids, where Mr. Fakedoctorvause apprenticed in child abuse, unlawful confinement, fraud and brainwashing.  Straight has been closed down.  Do you think that the list of Calgary's supercreeps from the Empress on down draws more water than Ronald and Nancy Reagan?  If I had seen the inside of the walls as a client it  is highly doubtful that I would have all of my faculties intact.  You see I don't lie down while someone tears me apart, so AARC would have had to break me, like they do to independent-thinking intelligent people.  There are enough people running around Iraq murdering one another in the name of all manner of causes, they don't need me over there.  You on the other hand, as a believer in higher powers and propaganda, might do well to join up and embrace an IED.

[Anne Bonney]

Where to start with this JC?  Straight was endorsed by the Reagans.  As you're pro-AARC, I'm going to assume you're fairly ignorant, so I'll explain to you who the Reagans were.  Ronald was the president of the United States of America from 1980 to 1988, and Nancy was his wife.  Straight was the program that spawned Kids, where Mr. Fakedoctorvause apprenticed in child abuse, unlawful confinement, fraud and brainwashing.  Straight has been closed down.  Do you think that the list of Calgary's supercreeps from the Empress on down draws more water than Ronald and Nancy Reagan?  If I had seen the inside of the walls as a client it  is highly doubtful that I would have all of my faculties intact.  You see I don't lie down while someone tears me apart, so AARC would have had to break me, like they do to independent-thinking intelligent people.  There are enough people running around Iraq murdering one another in the name of all manner of causes, they don't need me over there.  You on the other hand, as a believer in higher powers and propaganda, might do well to join up and embrace an IED.

Ajax, while I appreciate your intelligence and diligence in seeking out and dispensing the reality of AARC, I'm afraid its lost on the programmed.  Critical thinking skills have been suspended in favor of the party line.  Things like 'independent tought' and 'human rights' mean nothing to these people.  For them, the end justifies the means.  We all MUST have 'deserved' to be there.  Without saying it, they're actually acknowledging that it was extreme, to say the very least.  Fringe, things that 'normal folk' wouldn't understand.  Because afterall, they're druggies right?

[Anonymous]

But you still can't say where all this blogging is getting you....nowhere maybe?  All this abuse, not reported? Not investigated?  Cuz as I said.  Where is it in the news?  Nowhere, that's where.  If there were validity to all the abuse of the abusers themselves, then this would be a case. But alas, it's just a blog...

There are three of you mainly on here balking back and forth to whomever may find in and add their 2 cents...is that fun for you?  Cuz that's what it's become to me.  You're right that I'm a loser to keep loging on to read it...but like I said before...this is all you have?  THis is your vice?  THis is the only place that you can your words out?  No one else will listen?  Why is that?  I don't know you're experiences, so I can't say they didn't happen.  But there are always different versions...so why is yours the one going unheard...er..at least just hear/read on here?

Hmmmm....

[Anne Bonney]

But you still can't say where all this blogging is getting you....nowhere maybe?  All this abuse, not reported? Not investigated?  Cuz as I said.  Where is it in the news?  Nowhere, that's where.  If there were validity to all the abuse of the abusers themselves, then this would be a case. But alas, it's just a blog...

For now.  It was only a blog when we started.  Programs have been closed.  Miller Newton has millions in judgements against him.  He's been run out of every place he's tried to 'counsel' people.  When I was in, group was 350 strong.  Show me ANY of these places that are getting those numbers.  

Small steps Ellie, small steps.

There are three of you mainly on here balking back and forth to whomever may find in and add their 2 cents...is that fun for you?  Cuz that's what it's become to me.  You're right that I'm a loser to keep loging on to read it...but like I said before...this is all you have?  THis is your vice?  THis is the only place that you can your words out?  No one else will listen?  Why is that?  I don't know you're experiences, so I can't say they didn't happen.  But there are always different versions...so why is yours the one going unheard...er..at least just hear/read on here?

Hmmmm....

Hmmm.  If it's so unimportant, why do you feel the need to keep coming back and refuting anything we say?   If its so un-important, why have lawsuits been brought about (albeit other programs, but AARC's time is coming) because of the communication and connections people have made here?  You can dismiss us all you want if it makes you feel better, but things are happening.  Some apparent, some not.  Most of the good work is done behind the scenes.  Stay tuned.  I think you'll find the next few years interesting.

 :rofl:

[Anonymous]

It takes time to take action against such claims against AARC?  I see... Okay, fine. I'll wait.  But until then I'll keep supporting them. Innocent until proven guilty right?  Not until some kids on a blog site say they should be shut down. Or they're like all the rest.  If it's proven and all your 'behind the scenes" work pays off. I'll kudos you to the moon...but for now...it's ex-addicts pointing fingers on a blog.

Take care now.

[Anne Bonney]

It takes time to take action against such claims against AARC?  I see... Okay, fine. I'll wait.  But until then I'll keep supporting them. Innocent until proven guilty right?  Not until some kids on a blog site say they should be shut down. Or they're like all the rest.  If it's proven and all your 'behind the scenes" work pays off. I'll kudos you to the moon...but for now...it's ex-addicts pointing fingers on a blog.

Take care now.

Mmm hmm.  I didn't expect anything else.  You guys are so predictable.


So, now that I've fully answered your questions, how  about answering mine?


What happens if a kid insists on leaving?  How is that handled?


What happens if a kid refuses to admit to a drug/alcohol/food/sex problem?  What do you do to convince them that they are in dire need of your "help"?


I'll be holding my breath for an answer.

 :rofl:  :rofl:

[Anne Bonney]

Is forced or coerced 'therapy' something you believe is useful and effective?


Just curious.
::seg::

[ajax13]

JC, why are you posting here?  As you keep reiterating, nobody reads this and no one has a legitimate complaint against AARC.  What gives?  Anyhow, tell us that part about you and the Wizard getting "stuck in", it still thrills me to the core!

[Anonymous]

So, now that I've fully answered your questions, how about answering mine?


What happens if a kid insists on leaving? How is that handled?


What happens if a kid refuses to admit to a drug/alcohol/food/sex problem? What do you do to convince them that they are in dire need of your "help"?


I'll be holding my breath for an answer.

Why is no one willing to answer these questions!

[Anonymous]

So you read an article on Andy Evans and you think you know it all!!! Sober Andy was a great person!! He got alot out of his time at A.A.R.C he made the choices, It has nothing do with A.A.R.C! Andrew Mazer , who ever else you people are talking about made there own choices!! And A.A.R.C did not make up what you are born with it is genetic!! And useing drugs and alcohol changes you as a person!! Anyone living in that knows how you change!! We are born this way and it was being tought way before aarc was around, so to put the blame on a great place who I personally watched that staff give there all to help these people you are useing to put a bad name on aarc makes me sick.. you people need to get a life get out of denile and start taking resposibility for yourself and yr own lifes!! Cuz the only person that can do that is u!! A.A.R.C is a great place they cant help what we graduates decide 2 do once we leave, I have realapsed a few times and It was only my choice to not use the great tools they tought me... And somtimes the concicuenses are larger than others but I was the only one to blame.

[ajax13]

I have seen people grind up crack, mix it with vinegar and slam it into their veins.  I have seen people who have been eating morphine tablets and smoking crack without sleep for four days at a time. I've seen people addicted to opiates like codeine who ate thirty  codeine pills a day.  When I was in high school I worked in a  grocery warehouse with an old fellow who drank a mickey of rye at lunch hour, every day.  I once worked on a golf course with a Korean War vet who had been shot to pieces at Kapyong and who drank a mickey of rye by first coffee every morning.  But I've never seen anyone, or known anyone, who killed a woman and dumped her body because they drank or used drugs.  And I don't think that a judge is going to buy the story of Mr. Evans being a super guy who suffered from a disease that made him murder people.  
Since the goal of AARC is total abstinence, rather than dealing with psychological issues that may induce a person to abuse alcohol, I don't see that the tools AARC teaches are so great.  Every single AARC person I have met "relapses", so the Victorian purity of abstinence doesn't seem to be a sound outcome for AARCies.
Thank you though Melissa, for weighing in from the corner of cutting edge research in adolescent addictions medicine.

[Anonymous]

I have seen people grind up crack, mix it with vinegar and slam it into their veins.  I have seen people who have been eating morphine tablets and smoking crack without sleep for four days at a time. I've seen people addicted to opiates like codeine who ate thirty  codeine pills a day.  When I was in high school I worked in a  grocery warehouse with an old fellow who drank a mickey of rye at lunch hour, every day.  I once worked on a golf course with a Korean War vet who had been shot to pieces at Kapyong and who drank a mickey of rye by first coffee every morning.  But I've never seen anyone, or known anyone, who killed a woman and dumped her body because they drank or used drugs.  And I don't think that a judge is going to buy the story of Mr. Evans being a super guy who suffered from a disease that made him murder people.  
Since the goal of AARC is total abstinence, rather than dealing with psychological issues that may induce a person to abuse alcohol, I don't see that the tools AARC teaches are so great.  Every single AARC person I have met "relapses", so the Victorian purity of abstinence doesn't seem to be a sound outcome for AARCies.
Thank you though Melissa, for weighing in from the corner of cutting edge research in adolescent addictions medicine.

Even though two Alberta psychiatrists found that at the time the accused was in a "drug-induced psychosis"
http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Edmonto ... 71455.html

the Edmonton Jury declined to say that the accused was not criminally responsible -- in other words they just did not buy the idea that drugs make you do something you would not otherwise do  you are responsible for your actions.  No higher power there.

[hanzomon4]

So you read an article on Andy Evans and you think you know it all!!! Sober Andy was a great person!! He got alot out of his time at A.A.R.C he made the choices, It has nothing do with A.A.R.C! Andrew Mazer , who ever else you people are talking about made there own choices!! And A.A.R.C did not make up what you are born with it is genetic!! And useing drugs and alcohol changes you as a person!! Anyone living in that knows how you change!! We are born this way and it was being tought way before aarc was around, so to put the blame on a great place who I personally watched that staff give there all to help these people you are useing to put a bad name on aarc makes me sick.. you people need to get a life get out of denile and start taking resposibility for yourself and yr own lifes!! Cuz the only person that can do that is u!! A.A.R.C is a great place they cant help what we graduates decide 2 do once we leave, I have realapsed a few times and It was only my choice to not use the great tools they tought me... And somtimes the concicuenses are larger than others but I was the only one to blame.

So what are these great tools? Are you going to confront yourself for a day or two? Are you going to put your self on zero club and find some ass that can act as oldcomer so you can ask for permission to wipe your own ass? Good luck finding some unintelligent person who would lock you in their bed room at night and keep you from escaping.

Ya know thinking about about the "aarc tools" shows that the only thing they teach is how to abdicate thinking to some third party.